Pre-Roman Iberia

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Were they Barbarians?
Did Romans killed/Slaved all of them?

Fuck them, Numantia was based!

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Basques are still genetically as they were before Rome.

they had comfy fishing villages I'm told

Romans colonized Iberia after destroying Carthage a second time. They created colonies and eventually romanized the native tribes. To my knowledge only the Celtic cantabrians and the basques were never assimilated by the Romans.

did the native iberians racemix with the romans? thats one thing ive never really heard about, the degree to which the roman colonizers mixed with the natives

I think they would've, Some spaniards or catalolians who post their 23andme genetic results on pol and int have a high affinity with Italians. I don't know if it's because of race mixing with the colonists or if the pre indo European Iberians were related to the pre indo European Italians.

Roman settlers were often soldiers, who were given farms to settle on as booty for conquests. They would have taken local wives, as well as owning female slaves taken from the natives. As Romanization took hold, yousd see men of native ancestry living as Romans and raising their kids as Roman, as well as an influx of settlers both from Italy and from other provinces of the Empire, these incomers would have mostly been confined to the cities but they have left some trace in the Spanish genepool so clearly some at least made it into the hinterlands.

What say?
you had celts in the central and western part, and iberians in the eastern. Basically celtiberians, or just indo-europeans old tribes from ancient paleolithic core.
They were somehow called barbarians by the romans yes, and were some kind of gauls .... they fought back for centuries the roman empire ,specially the Lusitanians (modern portugal)
They were pagans, had celtic or other indo-europeans gods, like endovelico and other's.

youtube.com/watch?v=_5_ARd_6924

THE BASQUE REGION WASN'T INHABITED BY BASQUES IN THE ROMAN TIMES

There were significant differences between the iberians proper and the celts and celtiberians. And between those iberians there were differences between south iberians and north/eastern iberians. The southeners were more sophisticated politically and artistically. The northeners were more influenced by the celts, with some in current north catalonia even practising head-hunting like the Gauls.

But this differences were not extreme, rather zones of contact and transition existed. Celtiberians were celts in culture and language but used the iberian script.

Iberians And turdetans were pre IE

Their passion for gold was evident since 2000 bc

They had some small towns like this around 2300 bc but then there's an enormous time gap between them and the first Phoenician colonies

>Were they Barbarians?
Yes, they weren't top tier, had some colonies from Greece some Phoenicians and Cartagineses too, all the other were savages somehow compared with Rome or Cartago
>Did Romans killed/Slaved all of them?
No, Rome didn't conquer like that, neither Spain did centuries after in America

Spain has 3 main ethnical regions within the country: Germanics to the North-West, Greco-Roman to the South-West and Phoenicians, Arabs and some african black thing in the south.

>Germamic to the North west

Stop posting

>Arabs and some african black thing
Was Berbers wich are realated with North Argelians, blacks are from South Sahara

But there are. Galicia is the region of Spain with highest Germanic genes floating around.

>what are visigoths

>what are visigoths
A couple of savages that went there in the late VI, 3-4% of the population

> Iberia stands out among other southern European populations as having the highest levels of ancestry originating in North Africa as well as in Sub-Saharan Africa, with the concentration of both being highest on the western and southern parts of the peninsula, which is largely ascribed to the long Islamic presence in the Iberian peninsula and possibly African slavery. [1] Significant genetic differences are found among, and even within, Spain's different regions, which can be explained by the wide divergence in their historical trajectories and Spain's internal geographic boundaries. The Basque Region in Northern Spain, is the most genetically distinct and typically Atlantic European. Furthermore, the Basque region and Catalonia hold the least Eastern Mediterranean ancestry in Iberia. African influence is largely concentrated in the Southern and Western regions of the peninsula. Germanic influence is small and limited to Catalonia, Galicia and Northern Portugal.[2]

>and Phoenicians, Arabs and some african black thing in the south.

>Germanics to the North-West,

This level of absurd.
Iberian peninsula stock is from paleolithic and neolithic origin, and indo-europeans. The rest, the visigoths, suebi, romans, berbers,phnoecians had a small/residual impact there.

What are ilegertes

>Did Romans killed/Slaved all of them?

When Caesar invaded Iberia he killed every male over the age of 16

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>the highest levels of ancestry originating in North Africa as well as in Sub-Saharan Africa,


"Highest levels"
when we look at the number's, besides being from a neolithic origin they are really really small.

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Highest level in Europe.

>Sub-Saharan Africa
If there's something related to Africa is from the pre Roman era, the gypsies has been in Iberia for +500 years and the mixure with the other population is almost 0%, if you are talking about the presence of Muslims in Iberia after the conquest in 700, don't think that were more than the goths, 3-4% at best, and the goths had a mass migration for that times, with different religions don't think that the mix were something common, after 700 years of war, first were converted to Christianity with the jews, and 100 years after were forced to leave, after that 300 years of inquisition ...

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I'm not sure what the numbers in your chart represent. Also i'm just parroting.

>Y-DNA Haplogroup R1b is the most frequent among Spaniards and Portuguese, occurring at over 50% throughout most of Spain.[8] R1b is particularly dominant in the Basque Country and Catalonia, occurring at rate of over 80%. In Iberia, most men with R1b belong to the subclade R-P312 (R1b1a1a2a1a2; as of 2017). The distribution of haplogroups other than R1b varies widely from one region to another.

>Although R1b prevails in much of Western Europe, a key difference is found in the prevalence in Iberia of R-DF27 (R1b1a1a2a1a2a). This subclade is found in over 60% of the male population in the Basque Country and 40-48% in Madrid, Alicante, Barcelona, Cantabria, Andalucia, Asturias and Galicia.[9] R-DF27 constitutes much more than the half of the total R1b in the Iberian Peninsula. Subsequent in-migration by members of other haplogroups and subclades of R1b did not affect its overall prevalence, although this falls to only two thirds of the total R1b in Valencia and the coast more generally.[8] R-DF27 is also a significant subclade of R1b in parts of France and Britain. However, it is insignificant in Italy; R-S28/R-U152 (R1b1a1a2a1a2b) is the prevailing subclade of R1b in Italy, Switzerland and parts of France, although it represents less than 5.0% of the male population in Iberia. This underlines the lack of any significant genetic impact on the part of Rome

Visigoths apparently had a lot less of an impact than the Arabs. But it could not be related to the muslims at all, remember that these are just theories. It is just usually believed to be related either to the muslims or to the slave imports because it's what sounds reasonable.

Here's the article anyway so that you can pick it apart yourselves:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_the_Iberian_Peninsula

>wikipedia
>accuracy

>are just theories
So in the time frame of the Roman times to the Middle Ages the percentage of the slave population were minimal. According to Philips in the late fifteenth and early seventeenth centuries “slaves probably made up less than 1 percent of the population in Spain”.[3] “Slavery was cross cultural and multi-ethnic”,
If you are talking about post 1500 I think is know that in Iberia, just like all Europe, had almost no slaves and all the movement was more related to the colonies
If we are talking about pre Roman mixure, is common knowledge that has been settlements of Cartaginenes (wich are from north Africa) and Phoenicians > Asia

So Sardinians are Germanic too And di are Africans