Reminder that people still deny this fact

Yep which is why we should have rounded up the leftists the journalists and the media folks as well as those unamerican commie protesters and put them all in camps. Yep it's me again.

>people
>American chauvinists

Pick one

No. It's still a one-party socialist republic.

>carthage actually won the punic wars, because the roman empire eventually fell

>But isnt vietnam a democracy now?
Are you retarded or just pretending to be?

The reason it's such a common misconception is that some people have a completely different idea of what it means to lose a war. I'm not saying it's right, it's just how some people think. Like the fact that we accomplished none of our objectives and they accomplished all of theirs isn't a loss in their mind.

Adding to that, the people in denial about it all probably don't think it's a defeat because our forces weren't necessarily driven out of Vietnam, but rather the war was pointless to continue and extremely unpopular back home so the US went through the process of slowly returning troops home. To me that's like arguing your team is undefeated even though you forfeited your last game because conceding is not the same as losing, and yet I see people do it all the time.

That's because the libshits and the media folks weren't put in camps so they could shut up.

isn't putting people in camps for exercising free speech kinda opposite of american ideals and freedums?

Poitics is extesion of economy.

Not when we're at war snowflake.

so american ideals and freedums aren't constitutionally guaranteed rights that are in effect all times? sorry not american so i don't know american politics too good. so why didn't government put people it deemed unpatriotic into camps during vietnam war?

No one can beat the Vietnamese. It's not an insult at all to lose to them. Look at their war record.

The Vietnam war was a decisive American victory, America just randomly decided to withdraw support for the Republic of Vietnam afterwards.

youtube.com/watch?v=7hqYGHZCJwk

The misconception goes the other way, with people using the loss as a way to disparage America's armed forces despite the loss having no bearing on the efficacy of the American military. At best you can only claim American strategy going into the war was fundamentally flawed, which is entirely the fault of Congress. The mandate was that the armed forces were not allowed to invade North Korea, and all offensive operations were heavily curtailed. This forced America into a permanent defensive position regardless of their overwhelming strength and their victory condition was then entirely dependent on propping up a beleaguered puppet state in the south.

America won every battle, never gave up an acre of south Vietnamese soil, and did as much damage as they could possible do while being constrained in fighting only a defensive (read: losing) war. And then the mandate came down that they were to leave, and then Congress cut funding to South Vietnam's government and they were overrun, making it a total loss.

People who use the Vietnam War to claim America's military is bad would probably claim Hannibal is a joke because Rome won the Second Punic War.

Because they were weak cucks.

but they would have had the right to do so?

It's a Dolchstoß legend,only that its true.

we won with the Paris peace accords forced NV to sign a peace and we only lost when Ford wouldn't come back like we promised if NV attacked because he was a bitch
NV took the gamble that we wouldn't come back and they were right thanks to whiny hippies

Scathing satire, really sticking it to those /pol/tards on Veeky Forums.

Nope not when the American race is at risk do these fools think they can go against their country.

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That's because you're a faggoterian that is scared of truth.

Well in the matter of Korea the war is ongoing, technically.

US should have nuked it without relent. Literal scorched earth.

Most of /pol/ doesn't care about the Vietnam war.

So who's worse, the retards who think this, or you for making a thread about them for no reason?

Woulda won if those slimy gooks had stuck to the treaty, but eh.

So you don't believe in a right to free speech? What kind of commie collectivivst are you?

This is why most Americans sperg out when they hear that we lost the Vietnam War, they assume that who ever said it is implying that the US Army or Marine infantryman couldn't fight for shit. Honestly the truth is even more embarrassing, militarily we were unmatched, 9 times out of 10 the VC and NVA got BTFO by US and even ARVN forces and we STILL lost.

We didn't lose because out boys couldn't fight, we learned the hard way that war had changed and you couldn't win a war just by punishing the fuck out of an enemy anymore.

>we 'didnt win' BUT we coulda kicked their ass if we wanted to since America #1

You fucking lost get over it. Your soldiers turned into junkies and killed themselves in huge numbers because they didnt want to fight this bullshit war, much like Iraq and Afghanistan.

Don't claim that the US was beat by a "bunch of rice farmers" and you won't get butthurt Americans pointing out that the war ended 2 years before Saigon fell.

Amerifats actually believe this with respect to Iraq and Afghanistan too

Hardly because we won those wars, unlike Vietnam.

That's why we should have rounded up the leftist traitors and the un-American protesters and put them in camps.

>stuck to the treaty
For what, South Vietnam were a meme country anyway

>armed forces were not allowed to invade North Korea

Are we still talking about the Vietnam war, or the Korean war?

And on that topic, it's a good fucking thing the rest of the government reined in that screeching war-hawk Macarthur and his plans to press into China regardless of geopolitical consequences. Truman standing up to him should be commended as one of the most critical decisions ever made during the Cold War.