Why didn't Persians just annex all of Turkmenistan?

Turkish "education" sure is shit.

I literally btfo'd your pathetic claim with scientific proofs. Try to come up with a counter argument
refer to go be a wh*Te subhuman somewhere else. This is a thread for superior people only. Fersians are an exception

>Turkish education
Still a meme.

Butthurt mods it seems deleted my evidence
let's rewrite it again
>hurr durr
Studies have shown that they're a mix of Turkmens and Adharis
etd.lib.metu.edu.tr/upload/12607764/index.pdf

>In the present study, analyses revealed that Chikhi et al.’s (2001) method represents the closest estimates to the true Central Asian contributions. Based on this method, it was observed that there were lower male (13%) than female (22%) contributions from Central Asia to Anatolia, with wide ranges of confidence intervals. Lower contribution, with respect to males, is to be explained by homogenization between the males of the Balkans and those of Anatolia. In Azerbaijan this contribution was 18% in females and 32% in males.
In every thread, there's a retarded (F)ersian who claims that Azeris are actually related to his Arab kind and this makes me laugh
Oh and if that's not enough, here's a genetic admixture of an Azerbaijani.
Now shoo shoo you bedouin rapebaby

This, Turkic peoples started migrating from the steppes of Siberia well after the Achaemenid period (the greatest extent of a persian empire).

In fact, the Persians did annex all of Turkmenistan during this period, as did Alexander.

The first Turkic people to come to central Asia were the Hephtalites (or white Huns, they have many names subject to debate). They succeeded in relocating in northern India and Gandhara.

It's not like you say, that the Persians failed to annex Turkophones of Turkmenistan. Those beyond the eastern borders of the persian empires have been, almost at all times, the Saka (or Scythians), who were indo-european AND of Iranic language.

White Huns weren't Turks, you retard. Their appereance in Persian, Roman/Byzantine, and even Indian sources tell us they were Caucasians (which is even more explicitly noted why they look so different from the Hunnics the Persians and Romans had encountered under Atilla) and they spoke an Iranian language. Also their main faith involved a variation of sun and fire worship somewhat related to Zoroastrianism and Mithraism.

White Huns were Turks

go back to /pol/

>Sun religion
>not Tengrism

It's true that their enthnolinguistic identity is still debated but the Shvetahuna assimilated culturally into the Kushan and Saka societies. At least that's what I've read.

Fucking /pol/acks obsessed with race when it's a concept that didn't even exist in the ancient world.

>White Hun were Turks
No.
>According to most specialist scholars, the spoken language of the Hephthalites was an Eastern Iranian language, but different from the Bactrian language written in the Greek alphabet that was used as their "official language" and minted on coins, as was done under the preceding Kushan Empire.
>According to Xavier Tremblay, one of the Hephthalite rulers was named "Khingila", which has the same root as the Sogdian word xnγr and the Wakhi word xiŋgār, meaning "sword". The name Mihirakula is thought to be derived from mithra-kula which is Iranian for "the Sun family", with kula having the same root as Pashto kul, "family". Toramāna, Mihirakula's father, is also considered to have an Iranian origin. In Sanskrit, mihira-kula would mean the kul "family" of mihira "Sun", although mihira is not purely Sanskrit but is a borrowing from Middle Iranian mihr. Janos Harmatta gives the translation "Mithra's Begotten" and also supports the Iranian theory. Hephthalite king wearing the crown of Sasanian Emperor Peroz I. Late 5th century CE.
>For many years, however, scholars suggested that they were of Turkic stock. Some have claimed that some groups amongst the Hephthalites were Turkic-speakers.Today the Hephthalites are generally held to have been an Eastern Iranian people speaking an East Iranian language. The Hephthalites enscribed their coins in the Bactrian (Iranian) script, held Iranian titles, the names of Hephthalite rulers given in Ferdowsi's Shahnameh are Iranian, and gem inscriptions and other evidence shows that the official language of the Hephthalite elite was East Iranian. In 1959, Kazuo Enoki proposed that the Hephthalites were probably Indo-European (East) Iranians as some sources indicated that they were originally from Bactria, which is known to have been inhabited by Indo-Iranian people in antiquity.

Turks are the biggest WEWUZers of history.

Yes because if Cyrus the Great was defeated by one of their women imagine what the men could do.

You mean the story of Cyrus' death which Herodotus admitted he heard from hearsay and admits is probably very likely not to be true, much less multiple conflicting accounts even in Greek sources which contradict each other over Cyrus' passing and said Scythians are Iranian peoples and not Turkics?

I don't know where you copied this from but the White Huns migrated from the Tarim basin and beyond the Pamir. Some chinese sources identify them as a branch of the Yueh-tchi (Yuezhi) which are the Kushans. Some other chinese sources say they are Kao-Chu (Kyrgyz). Procopius claims in De Bellis that White Huns and Huns are of a common origin (though he insists they are very different).

What's important to know is that, like every other invaders, the White Huns assimilated. That's why the state they founded in the 5th century in Bactria was of bactrian language.

Those are the sources I read this information from:

BELENITSKY, Alexandre, Asie centrale, trad. P. A. Aellig et J. Marcadé, coll. Archaeologia Mundi, Paris-Genève-Munich, Nagel, 1968

GORSHENINA, Svetlana et RAPIN, Claude, De Kaboul à Samarcande : Les archéologues en Asie centrale, coll. Découvertes, Paris, Gallimard, 2001

White Huns were Kyrgyz, hence they are Turkic, hence they may be slang referred to as "Turks".

t. central asian studies masters degree from the university of moscow

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So you're going with Procopius' thesis?

Kyrgyz are the oldest Turkics along with Uygurs.

Uygurs look 100% like modern Turkish people. Bronze skinned, semi slanted eyes, not much facial hair.

Kyrgyz are the closest to Tatars from ancient era.

both were recorded to be in the Hunnic confederation, meaning they existed back in 300BC

So they were Persianised Turkics?
Classic Turks

Persians were a race of culture.

Turks were a race of militarism.

Why is it so hard to imagine they benefited from each other?

Similar to how Prussians benefited Westphalians who knew jack shit about fighting.

time to shut down this thread once and for all. Don't compare Turks to boipucci persian cucks.