They are coming

They are coming...

Shred everything and leave no trace

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pattern_day_trader
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investopedia.com/articles/investing/092815/how-become-accredited-investor.asp
venturebeat.com/2010/06/07/5-legal-mistakes-startups-make-while-raising-capital/
techcrunch.com/2016/03/23/the-sec-could-change-the-requirements-for-investing-in-startups-and-thats-not-good/
reddit.com/r/Entrepreneur/comments/32atfr/i_would_like_to_invest_in_a_start_up_how/
news.forexlive.com/!/interactive-brokers-to-cut-off-us-forex-clients-sept-1-20160812
morganlewis.com/blogs/finreg/2016/05/surprise-no-more-retail-forex-for-broker-dealers#page=1
futures.io/reviews-brokers-data-feeds/40193-ib-interactivebrokers-killing-forex-trading.html
elitetrader.com/et/threads/trading-forex-in-the-us-after-new-dodd-frank-rule.309910/
forums.babypips.com/t/going-offshore-to-escape-the-cftc/35612
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forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=610981
prosper.com/plp/legal/compliance/
blog.lendingclub.com/is-lending-club-available-in-my-state/
lendingclub.com/info/state-financial-suitability.action
news.bitcoin.com/coinbase-exits-as-hawaii-requires-money-transmitter-license/
news.bitcoin.com/regulators-new-york-bitcoin-hell-hole/
wired.com/story/crypto-fundraising-initial-coin-offerings/
themerkle.com/why-cant-us-citizens-participate-in-cryptocurrency-icos/
btcmanager.com/filecoin-ico-accredited-investo
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how do i enron my bittrex?

oh fuck the police at my doo

Look : America is not the world ok.

We don't care about this small national agency with grandiloquent illusion about itself.

Non us people are actually free to use their money.

and we envy your actual freedom...
versus our faggot zog government that pretends to be "land of the free" when in fact they spy on us.

i'm actually making plans to gtfo of the usa once i hit a specific "number"

this country is NOT the land of the free at least when it comes to all the over regulation stopping us from trading. That's why I have been considering a long term plan of saving up as much as I can and getting out of here.

we certainly are not in the land of the free.
They don't want us to trade stocks unless you have 25 thousand+.
They don't want us to be able to invest in startups unless you have 1 million+.
They don't want us to be able to trade forex unless you have 10 million+.
They don't want us to be able to trade CFDs at all.
They don't want us to be able to make a little bit of interest by lending to Prosper, Lending Club, etc. (many states ban this, but not all states do).
They don't want us to be able to trade coins (many states ban this, but not all states do). Getting harder and harder to transfer to/from banks every day.
They don't want us to be able to do online betting,
but it's perfectly acceptable to walk down to the local casino and bet everything and lose all your life savings.

Big daddy government shut down forex brokers unless you literally have a trading account larger than ten million, and made it a crime for US citizens to try to bypass these regulations.
Big daddy government made regulations against trading with less than 25000 and made it a crime to try to bypass these regulations.
Big daddy government shut down online poker and made it a crime to try to bypass these regulations.
But its perfectly okay to drive to the casino and bet your life savings away.
Big daddy government does these things for our own good and protection, thank you.

Decentralized exchanges will be huge when the governments around the world start trying to cause havoc in the cryptotraders lives.

>i'm actually making plans to gtfo of the usa once i hit a specific "number"
>getting out of here.

That's where the fun will start. Your US passport is like a chain you will drag around the world. Foreign banks are afraid to do business with US citizens because it could mean billions of dollars in fine.

And wherever you are in the world you will have to respect both the local financial regulations AND the SEC regulations...

When I was working in a bank in Europe I had to sign tons of paper and provide large amount of documentations just to prove that I have no link with the US.

>Look : America is not the world ok.

>tfw the standards of the world all followed American institutes.

Im assuming you created your democracy out of your ass then huh?

But they let you borrow money with 300% interest while being already 100k in debt hahaha

Literally a nation of wall street slaves.

>being this deluded

Americans are a funny a bunch.

so monero?

Guess what buddy, If it effects Americans and their money, they could come after you. hope you dont have a dog.

Do you really think your country has anything to do with what it was in the 18th century?

Benjamin Franklin and his pals literally said that inflation and debt are the biggest enemies of democracy.

Look at your country now... built on thin air backed dollar and debt.

When you run in debt; you give to another power over your liberty

– Benjamin Franklin

We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt.

– Thomas Jefferson

The consequences arising from the continual accumulation of public debts in other countries ought to admonish us to be careful to prevent their growth in our own.

– John Adams

Nothing is so well calculated to produce a death-like torpor in the country as an extended system of taxation and a great national debt.

– William Cobbett

>Americans are a funny a bunch.

And they're also the ones that gave you reason to follow the models of: NASA, CIA, FBI, NIH, and any other 'national institute' that the rest of the world copies off of.

>your welcome

>Implying anyone follows these "models"
What did he mean by this?

Tell me which first world country doesn't copy America?

Or better yet, go and tell me which country is more progressive in its laws and institutions than America is

>protip, you cant

>They don't want us to trade stocks unless you have 25 thousand+.
I never heard this before. Would my car count? I'm still financing it though.

wich one on the moon?

literally? then where can I do this? I need a loan for crypto and i'm broke and my credit score is ass

Come on I lived in the US. I know you have plenty of credit card offers for low credit score.

Or just take a payday loan.

I thought Drumpf was supposed to end this overregulation shit.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pattern_day_trader
A FINRA (formerly National Association of Securities Dealers, Inc. or NASD) rule applies to any customer who buys and sells a particular security in the same trading day (day trades)
A pattern day trader is subject to special rules. The main rule is that in order to engage in pattern day trading you must maintain an equity balance of at least $25,000 in a margin account. The required minimum equity must be in the account prior to any daytrading activities. Three months must pass without a day trade for a person so classified to lose the restrictions imposed on them.

literally every single one still in in the paris agreement

You forgot Nicaragua.

Well that's some retarded shit.

>oh shit! the police are at my door! i don't have time to finish this sentence but i do have time to quickly finish this captcha and press reply!

Buy verge

How much of this is FUD?

It's only a security if it's an ICO, and only idiots buy into ICOs.

>only idiots buy into ICOs.
lol

You are so ignorant I'm sorry for you. (Probably you are still in high school?) Try to live in a country like Germany. You will surely realize how backword US is in many respects.

Regulation isn't happening for at least another year.
You won't hear any serious talk about it until BTC reaches $10k
With that being said, make your money now.

None. We need decentralised exchanges NAO.

fuck the cfr!!!!

hahahahahwh how are they gonna regulate crypto? its impossible... its the same as saying shuting down the internet

Hehehe good goyim

The sec can't take on Bitcoin it's anonymous!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pattern_day_trader
can't day trade unless you have more than 25 thousand

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accredited_investor
An accredited or sophisticated investor is an investor with a special status under financial regulation laws. who have access to complex and higher-risk investments such as venture capital, hedge funds and angel investments.

investopedia.com/articles/investing/092815/how-become-accredited-investor.asp
It takes money to make money, and accredited investors have more opportunities to do so than non-accredited investors. Accredited investors are able to invest money directly into the lucrative world of private equity, private placements, hedge funds, venture capital, and equity crowd funding

venturebeat.com/2010/06/07/5-legal-mistakes-startups-make-while-raising-capital/
Selling securities to non-“accredited investors”. The rule of thumb for startups is to only offer and sell securities to “accredited investors” under SEC Rule 506. There are eight categories of investors under the current definition of “accredited investor.” The most significant of these for startups is an individual who has a net worth (or joint net worth with his/her spouse) that exceeds $1 million at the time of the purchase

I HAVE A PASS I CAN GET THIS OUT TO YOU BEFORE THEY BREAK THE DOOR DOWN GUYS MOVE TO COLD STORAGE RIGHT NO THEY'RE FUCKING RAIdiryb jh,fdurfkaw etjm. 2

Ethereum is an ICO and I bet you have some of those fag

>not having all your money on Binance

It's a sad day when I can trust criminal chinks trying to make a buck over my own government.

Meant for

techcrunch.com/2016/03/23/the-sec-could-change-the-requirements-for-investing-in-startups-and-thats-not-good/
>As strange as it may seem, only a small percentage of Americans can legally invest in most startups today. Under long-standing rules governing who qualifies as a so-called “accredited investor,” only quite wealthy individuals can buy shares in a fast-growing, privately held company.
>the fact that the SEC is considering adjusting the financial threshold for accredited investors is alarming. Increasing the income requirement to inflation would substantially diminish the already limited pool of people eligible to fund startups. Today, around 10 percent of U.S. households qualify as accredited investors. If adjusted for inflation, that figure would shrink to less than 4 percent, according to the SEC’s own analysis.

reddit.com/r/Entrepreneur/comments/32atfr/i_would_like_to_invest_in_a_start_up_how/
>I would like to invest in a start up. How?
>Do you meed the criteria of an Accredited Investor? Early stage startups will likely be looking for investors who meet this criteria It would be rather difficult, legally, to be a sole startup investor without being an Accredited Investor.
>Unless OP will be an active shareholder of the business, he would be considered passive and his interest in the business would be deemed subject to the SEC
>ONLY accredited investors can invest and be passive shareholders.

fuck this shit we gotta take a stand here. can't believe people are fighting about racism when this shit is standing in our way of financial freedom

news.forexlive.com/!/interactive-brokers-to-cut-off-us-forex-clients-sept-1-20160812
>The war on US retail forex trading continues It's about to get even tougher to find a forex broker for Americans. Interactive Brokers is leaving the US retail forex market only US-based clients with $10 million or more will be eligible to make leverage forex trades. All others will be restricted. To be clear, the message only affects Americans trading with Interactive Brokers, not Interactive Brokers clients from other countries. will require that only accounts held by "Eligible Contract Participants" may open leveraged forex positions. An "Eligible Contract Participant" generally is an individual or organization with assets of over $10M

morganlewis.com/blogs/finreg/2016/05/surprise-no-more-retail-forex-for-broker-dealers#page=1
>Surprise! No More Retail Forex for Broker-Dealers
>the SEC issued a notice stating that broker-dealers will no longer be able to engage in leveraged foreign exchange business with persons other than “eligible contract participants”

futures.io/reviews-brokers-data-feeds/40193-ib-interactivebrokers-killing-forex-trading.html
>basically you can't trade leveraged forex unless you have 10 Million

elitetrader.com/et/threads/trading-forex-in-the-us-after-new-dodd-frank-rule.309910/
>in 2016 a new SEC / dodd-frank rule prohibited US brokers regulated by the SEC to do forex with non-eligible contract persons; that is, no US forex clients with assets under USD 10 million. Interactive Brokers is SEC regulated and was thus affected by this. I am a London based full-time trader. I use Interactive Brokers. Two-thirds of my business is forex. I have a complex Python/SQL/R based system that interacts with IB for data gathering and statistical analyses. I'm balls deep with IB. But I am moving to the US for personal reasons and I shall soon be a "US person". This represents a problem

Fucking crony capiitalism, this is all to make sure that only rich people have the opportunity to increase their wealth that way they won't have much competition.

None of it

Every law that passes is pretty much just a way for the rich to get richer and the poor to stay poor.

its true. all of it.

just fuck my country up senpai. no need to join isis if you want to terrorize united states. just gotta pay your taxes and lurn the cheek like a good ol boy.

forums.babypips.com/t/going-offshore-to-escape-the-cftc/35612
>Going offshore to escape the CFTC
>inquiry into whether these brokers will open new accounts for U.S. residents, given the current regulatory regime imposed by the CFTC on retail forex trading in the United States.
forums.babypips.com/t/going-offshore-to-escape-the-cftc/35612/32
>I found the following paragraphs to be especially chilling The “foreign bank” exemption has become an increasingly popular means for forex counterparties to circumvent U.S. regulatory requirements designed to protect retail customers. The Dodd-Frank Act addresses this circumvention dramatically impact U.S. retail customers who currently trade forex with entities located outside the U.S. When this provision becomes effective in mid-2011, it may be illegal for non-U.S. financial institutions to offer retail forex trading to U.S. customers. The handwriting is on the wall: people like Dodd and Frank, and agencies like the CFTC, are intent on making all U.S. residents hostages of financial institutions which they --- the ruling class --- regulate and control. Senator Christopher Dodd and Representative Barney Frank --- who are largely responsible for the Fanny Mae / Freddie Mac housing bubble and its worldwide consequences --- have now inflicted their megalomania on the broader financial landscape. These two moral reprobates represent everything that is wrong with American government.

48% of the richest 1% of Americans all belong to a same certain ethnoreligion. What do you expect?

I think us gov is backing crypto into a corner for burgers.

You can use a decentralized exchange but the bank won't accept the coins as tender.

I need to make $100k-$250k quick.

Just dont know how I'd get it out.

Maybe the elite really do want a slave lower class.

forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=610981
>Help!!! US Traders, We Must Stand Up and Fight
>This thread is dedicated to finding a solution to enable US citizens to enjoy the same trading freedom as the rest of the civilized world
>I have been trading offshore for several years, but this is becoming more and more difficult as well as they are now shutting down payment processors and several of the top choices have pulled out of the US
>Our situation has become beyond ridiculous. I am not really even speaking of the lower leverage, no hedging or the FIFO rule. What I am speaking of is:
>1. No true ECN/DMA broker available. This is absolutely ridiculous. The NFA/CFTC are supposed to be the toughest regulators in the world, yet they allow the 3 remaining market maker brokers to get away with basically whatever they wish. Freezing platforms, rejected orders, random price spikes, etc. Last week when GBP crashed, my "unregulated" ECN broker didn't miss a beat while OANDA froze their platforms. This was done so anyone short couldn't book their profits while everyone long got crushed. How can we have such tough regulations and they do not see the need to eliminate dealing desks and price manipulation. We are trading with a conflict of interest where the other party controls the software.
[btw since this post the US regulators shut down one of those three brokers, so now only there are only two bucketshops remaining]
>2. Protect our funds. UK does, Australia does. Here in the US, the regulations actually prohibit it. Even if the brokers wanted to segregate our funds, they are not allowed to. How does this protect the trader?
>3. Allow us to trade with these regulated brokers who protect our funds. If they are so concerned about protecting us, why do they not realize how much better off we would be trading with a well regulated broker in the UK or Australia where our funds are safe than the options presented here in the US.

oy vey that sounds like antisemitism goy, better stop that or you'll be made unemployable

Catholic?

This is why things like Monaco and Tenx will be invaluable for us. 0x,Kyber, Monaco, Tenx, if you aren't planning on having these as part of your portfolio(or already have them) you're not thinking clearly.

>They don't want us to be able to make a little bit of interest by lending to Prosper, Lending Club, etc. (many states ban this, but not all states do).
prosper.com/plp/legal/compliance/
>Investor Requirements
>Prosper is currently available only to investors who reside in the following states: Alaska, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, District of Columbia, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Utah, Virginia, Washington, Wisconsin and Wyoming.
>If you are a resident of Alaska, Idaho, Missouri, Nevada, New Hampshire, Oregon, Virginia or Washington, you must have: (i) an Annual Gross Income of at least $70,000; AND a Net Worth of at least $70,000; OR (ii) a Net Worth of at least $250,000.
>If you are a resident of California, you must have: (i) had an Annual Gross Income of at least $85,000 during the last tax year; AND a good faith belief that you will have an Annual Gross Income of at least $85,000 (ii) OR a Net Worth of at least $200,000

whats a good blackjack site for bitcoin?
i want to play a few games while i wait for sales

Gah, this thread needs to die.

So Long as you are not TRADING ON MARGIN~~~ YOU ARE OKAY~!~!

If you are trading with cash you have sent to a site that holds said cash while you trade, and said trading does NOT REQUIRE ADDITIONAL FUNDS POST TRADE~!~! Then you are okay.

again, this is only for Margin day traders. ONLY Ya'll are thinking the FBI is gonna kick your door in for trading gift cards you're insane.

blog.lendingclub.com/is-lending-club-available-in-my-state/
>To invest in Notes through the Lending Club platform, you must reside in one of the following and meet that state’s financial suitability conditions: ...
>If your state is not listed above, you may be eligible to trade Notes via the FOLIOfn Investments, Inc. Note Trading Platform.*
lendingclub.com/info/state-financial-suitability.action
>I currently reside in one of the following states:
>I have an annual gross income of at least $70,000 ($85,000 if residing in CA) and a net worth (exclusive of home, home furnishings and automobile) of at least $70,000 ($85,000 if residing in CA); or a net worth of at least $250,000 (determined with the same exclusions) ($200,000 if residing in CA), AND,
>I will not purchase Notes in an amount in excess of 10% of my net worth, determined exclusive of my home, home furnishings and automobile

It doesn't change the point...
Why would the government of your country prevent you to invest in whatever you feel is adequate.

If it was for the protection of the people then why do they still allow all these credit cards, overdraft fees and payday loans at the same time, which is a much greater danger to the average american financial well being.

The truth is that all the US financial system is designed to financially enslave most of the people.

MURCA
LAND OF THE FEE
HOME OF THE SLAVE

or you can pay your capital gains tax like every other professional trader in the world

SEC is coming and I'm over here cumming from my crypto gains. Fuck you SEC.

SEC, you guys are pathetic.

As a United States citizen, I hate our government. Our government is THE MOST corrupt government in the world, bar none. No government is as corrupt as the United States government.

Do you know that the USA is such a mafia, that it is the ONLY GOVERNMENT IN THE WORLD THAT TAXES US CITIZENS IF THEY WORK OVERSEAS.

Yep, that means that if you leave the USA and live and work in another country, the USA has the absolute gall to tax you. While you live in another country.

You will have to fully renounce your USA citizen if you want to avoid being double taxed. And get this...if you want to renounce, you have to pay several fines in order to do so.

Fuck the USA government.

They're still allowed to carry machine guns in city centers so I guess essential freedoms are still in place.

>thinking the complaint is taxes
The complaint is that they're blocking us from investing in things that everyone else in the world is allowed to.

>If it was for the protection of the people then why do they still allow
you to bypass the forex restrictions if you are rich? These restrictions came with the dodd frank regulations meant to protect against another collapse but Average Joe didn't case the collapse so why punish Average Joe and put him at a disadvantage to other traders in the rest of the world?
Also this regulator has a conflict of interest because the regulator for forex is the National Futures Association and the main competition attracting retail traders away from their futures exchanges was forex so of course they are going to try to regulate their competition hoping to bring more volume back to their exchanges.
>If it was for the protection of the people
then why do brokers in the rest of the world allow protections for deposits at brokers, while the US regulators ban offering deposit protection?
>If it was for the protection of the people
how does the day trader restrictions help you if you're in a losing position and your stop loss being triggered should protect you but they have imposed their restrictions on making any more trades, therefore it is bad for your reducing your risk?

even little black kids in africa can get fully auto ak47s than the gimped ass pussy ar15.

so your argument is invalid

news.bitcoin.com/coinbase-exits-as-hawaii-requires-money-transmitter-license/
>Coinbase announced on Monday that it “must indefinitely suspend its business in Hawaii”. This is because the Hawaii Division of Financial Institutions (DFI) has imposed regulatory policies that would make Coinbase’s continued operations there impractical. will make it impossible for Coinbase to operate there Customers in Hawaii Need to Close Accounts Coinbase now requires all Hawaii-resident customers to close their accounts

news.bitcoin.com/regulators-new-york-bitcoin-hell-hole/
>How Statists & Regulators Turned New York Into a Bitcoin Hell Hole
>“By putting the regulations together and having key staff members leaving almost thereafter, they really put the industry behind the eight-ball in terms of competing with traditional service providers,” former Bitcoin Foundation executive director Patrick Murck told.
>New York has become something of a dinosaur even at consumer level, with popular cryptocurrency services such as ShapeShift and Poloniex blocked in the region. Users are currently forced to go to New Jersey instead.

wired.com/story/crypto-fundraising-initial-coin-offerings/
>Cryptocurrency was invented by people who didn’t much like regulators, but red tape can still bind the technology. Fresh proof comes from a pronouncement from the SEC
>It said that regulations applying to investments such as stocks also apply to some initial coin offerings, a novel approach to fundraising that startups. Startups raised more than $1.2 billion with ICOs in the first half of 2017
>ICO boosters describe them as a democratizing financial force that provides capital to projects unlikely to get it from established sources such as banks or venture capitalists. The SEC’s announcement means that some projects will now have to pay up for the lawyers, disclosures, and paperwork required to register with the SEC before they can solicit money from Americans.
>If you’re thinking all that sounds similar to how companies already sell shares or other tradeable things to investors, you’re thinking like the SEC.
>To avoid that downside, the SEC says that from now on some ICOs will have to meet the same standards applied to non-crypto securities such as stock offerings. That means registering with the SEC
>the legal and administrative fees to do that can cost anywhere from $20,000 to the millions of dollars for more complex operations.
>The SEC moved to allow that in 2015, triggering excitement about a radical new grassroots funding model for companies. In reality, Catalini says his research indicates crowdfunding that targets accredited investors—a status that requires a net worth of $1 million or a hefty income—has been much more significant. Targeting only accredited investors can help you avoid having to register your security with the SEC.

here is some more on Americans who are not accredited investors being restricted by SEC regulations.
themerkle.com/why-cant-us-citizens-participate-in-cryptocurrency-icos/
>Why Can’t US Citizens Participate in Cryptocurrency ICOs? One of the most recurring questions is why all of these ICOs try to prevent US citizens from participating.
>the United States is quite strict when it comes to investment regulations. Only accredited investors can partake in private placements of securities. As is to be expected, the team organizing a cryptocurrency ICO cannot guarantee only accredited US investors will partake. They can take the necessary steps to prevent most US citizens from investing
btcmanager.com/filecoin-ico-accredited-investo
>Filecoin ICO Will Only Accept Accredited Investors
>recently announced that its ICO will not be open to anyone, only accredited investors will be able to participate. Specifically, this means that only those with an income of at least $200,000 a year or with assets worth $1 million will be able to take part in this ICO. reason for restricting the ICO is to be in compliance with United States government regulations.

Every govt is like this, and taxing overseas workers is far from the worst thing they do.

I don't live in the US. I live in the OCSA. It stands for occupied confederate states of America.

I don't vote in federal elections, I don't participate in the ACA, and I don't pay federal taxes.

binance won't save you from the SEC. Also, the SEC will not care if you're on a decentralized exchange or not. They will implement regulation to 'protect the consumer'.

Sweety.

America has been in debt since the start.

> you're not thinking clearly.

Like many of us, it's a hit it n' quit it.

Cost $2.3k to renounce your citizenship.

Just a note that if you don't have a second citizenship and you renounce your citizenship, the US at anytime can kill you. Legally.

Not many 1st world governments have a 30% prisoner ratio.
Not many 1st world governments purposely hurt their citizens.

List goes one, but those are most recent.

Look at Flint for example. Sickening.

>tfw you have an ICO idea that you're willing to register with the SEC but it's way to /normie/ for anyone to understand/be interested in.

If the SEC didn't require an accredited investor for unregistered securities, I would literally be a millionaire. I'm not even talking about crypto.

tenx and Monaco are leveraging MasterCard and Visa's platform(if not now but that's the goal). How much regulation do you think they face? How careful will they be not to face fines, adopting these new technologies?

The big financial institutions will not go silently into the night with the rise of DAO's/Bitcoin. I think as Bitcoin becomes more centralized, the more it will play into the banks hands.