Why do people say that the Weimar republic was controlled by Marxists, Jews, and Degenerates, when it's President was the uber-conservative nationlist Hindenburg and it was dominated by the centre-right Catholic Centre Party, and it fought against spartacists/communists/judeobolshevist insurrectioners and even executed their polish-jewish leader Rosa Luxembourg?
Why do people say that the Weimar republic was controlled by Marxists, Jews, and Degenerates...
Alexander Hernandez
Levi Rivera
/pol/ cannot into history.
Jackson Cox
Because /pol/ only knows two things- those with them and those against them. If you're against them then you must be a commie degenerate marxist or something. Also they like to overblow the importance of the uprising and of the communist party of that time to make it look Hitler and the Nazis were saviors who stopped evil from destroying Germany and totally not thugs who destroyed Germany themselves.
Robert Young
>dominated by the centre-right Catholic Centre Party
At the end it was, but for most of Weimar's history it was ruled by a left-wing coalition that only fell apart once the Great Depression hit. This coalition singed the armistice as well as get Germany back on it's feet just a few years later.
Isaac Morales
Politicians have little influence on society unless it's authoritarian.
Sort of like the world we live in today. Everyone knows the president is a puppet that has no real power. Do they have control over your media, public education, finances, houses, etc? No.
Gabriel Harris
Well Weimar society had quite a lot of authoritarian elements. The Reichswehr, the Stahlhelm, the jurisdiction was blind on their right eye and Alfred Hugenburg controlled half the media of Germany and used it for antisemitic and nationalistic propaganda.
And last but not least don't forget that Hindenburg was directly elected by the German people two times in a row.
The myth that the whole of Weimar Germany was controlled by degenerate liberals and jews is propaganda spouted out by nazi shills who desperately try to justify the crimes of Hitler and his friends.
Xavier Long
>Why do people say that the Weimar republic was controlled by Marxists, Jews, and Degenerates
Because it was
>when it's President
The president doesn't fucking matter
>executed their polish-jewish leader Rosa Luxembourg
Learn some history before opening a thread on Veeky Forums
Gabriel Watson
>/pol/ boogeyman
Nathaniel Turner
>Learn some history before opening a thread on Veeky Forums
You mean /pol/ infographics?
Liam White
Nevermind, turns out that she was actually executed instead of just murdered so I take that last statement back.
As for /pol/ infographics, I haven't had it from there.
Joshua Sullivan
For the time (1920's 30's) the Weimar Republic was unusually left-wing in some areas. For example, they legalized homosexual behavior, which was unheard of outside of Germany.
Berlin in particular was quite decadent.
"Prostitution rose in Berlin and elsewhere in the areas of Europe left ravaged by World War I. This means of survival for desperate women, and sometimes men, became normalized to a degree in the 1920s. During the war, venereal diseases such as syphilis and gonorrhea spread at a rate that warranted government attention.[36] Soldiers at the front contracted these diseases from prostitutes, so the German army responded by granting approval to certain brothels that were inspected by their own medical doctors, and soldiers were rationed coupon books for sexual services at these establishments.[37] Homosexual behaviour was also documented among soldiers at the front. Soldiers returning to Berlin at the end of the War had a different attitude towards their own sexual behaviour than they had a few years previously.[37] Prostitution was frowned on by respectable Berliners, but it continued to the point of becoming entrenched in the city's underground economy and culture. First women with no other means of support turned to the trade, then youths of both genders.
Crime in general developed in parallel with prostitution in the city, beginning as petty thefts and other crimes linked to the need to survive in the war's aftermath. Berlin eventually acquired a reputation as a hub of drug dealing (cocaine, heroin, tranquilizers) and the black market. The police identified 62 organized criminal gangs in Berlin, called Ringvereine.[38]
en.wikipedia.org
Nathaniel Martinez
>if its not my leftypol approved propaganda it's muh /pol/ boogeyman infographics
You SJW shills are mentally ill
Michael Cooper
Berlin has always been quite decadent though. It's the US of Germany, and the netherlands of europe if the netherlands would be the California of Europe.
Ryder Flores
The SPD was stronk until the recession hit its peak and then the KPD and pals were growing in popularity. Although they never went past the 13 or 14% share of votes when elections actually came. People were also scared of the german commie leadership being in semi-open talks with USSR agents in hopes of destabilizing weimar and annexing them. Of course they never were a real, concrete threat but they were very vocal and thus an ideal boogeyman.
Landon Johnson
the pot calling the kettle black. Nice SJW boogeyman.
>bruder
Are you an azzlack?
The history knowledge of you both has more holes than a swiss cheese. Try harder next time nazi brainlets.
Bentley Sullivan
Source for the KPD-USSR relationship claim
Creating German Communism, 1890-1990: From Popular Protests to Socialist State, p.248
Read up on the guy, he was genuinely a nutter as well. Encouraging mob violence on purpose to "demonstrate" class warfare, seizing of factories, vandalism, etc. Just imagine being a german in the late 1920s. You'd be seeing the two mainstream parties- SPD and the Hinderburg conservative faction- being completely inept at controlling the political conversation while you have running around the place radical communists seeking integration within the soviet union, and on the other hand a bunch of freikorps wannabes larping about muh national purity and muh stab in the back..all the while the economy is in tatters and inflation is gone through the roof. I'm not excusing what followed in the slightest but to describe the atmosphere as extremely anxious and poisonous would be a euphemism.
Oliver Lee
forgot pic
and wiki link here in case anyone wants to look a little more into that.
Samuel Watson
>link
en.wikipedia.org
wew im being retarded af today
Bentley Hall
wtf, thread is dead? Where is the commie inteenet defense force gone? come back guise you still havent explained to me how weimar was conservative rightwing when SPD won the 1919, 1920, 1924, 1928 and 1930 elections. Please guise halp :(((
Liam Martinez
Nathaniel Russell
Hindenburg definitely was a liberal wasn't he guys? :^)
Or the Stahlhelm what a bunch of hippies...
And the DNVP and Reichswehr. Man they sure were a bunch of degenerate homosexuals :^)
And who is this Alfred Hugenburg fellow? Bet some commie loser. He surely has no power to influence public opinion ;^)
The both of us surely have broken the back of those lying (liberals) haven't we?
Thomas James
>party in charge of government is leftwing from the beginning of weimar til 1932
>wtf that conservative guy has a symbolic presidency title and some friends too
>see? weimar was rightwing afterall xDDD
this is retarded and you should feel bad
Andrew Diaz
t. Björn Höcke
Not only is your knowledge of that time period bad but you are now also lying. The president in the Weimar republic was far from being some powerless. Thanks to the article 48 he could take emergency measures without the prior consent of the Reichstag and dissolve the Reichstag with Article 25. Which Hindenburg did time and time again when he was unhappy with the government. From 1930 until Hitler took power there was no government which involved the SPD. So you lied on two accounts already but what else should somebody expect from a stormweenie.
The rightwingers didn't even need to rule the whole time to bring the repbulic down. They just needed to incite violence, poison the mind of the populace with their lies and when they had the chance to grab power they used the existing laws to destroy the republic once and for all.
And your attempt at downplaying the power of the Reichswehr, Hugenburg, the Stahlhelm etc. is disgusting. When somebody controlls half of the media in a country and uses it as his personal propaganda outlet against the state then he isn't as powerless as you make him out to be. When the armed forces of said state don't take orders from the government, form a state inside the state, and stand by doing nothing when the republic they had sworn to protect is threatened by rightwing putsches then they aren't as powerless as you make them out to be. When the personal armed milita of an conservative/nationalistic party numbers over 500.000 members then the aren't some harmless country club. And it goes on and on. But I know already that you will conveniently ignore all of that because you are a dishonest, edgy /pol/tard.
And don't call me an commie. Both of you should rot in hell and it is sad that the Reichsbanner schwarz rot gold wasn't armed to the teeth and then let loose on both KPD and NSDAP.
Ryan Hernandez
>But I know already that you will conveniently ignore all of that because you are a dishonest, edgy /pol/tard.
Relax lad, I actually agree with everything you say. I'm just pulling the leg of people like and OP who pretend the KPD dindu nuffin or that leftwing voices were nowhere to be found during the weimar period. Nobody mentioned what , , said about Thalmann. Nobody mentioned the Hamburg Uprising, nobody mentioned the ruhr uprising, nobody mentioned the ruhr red army or the rotfrontkampferbund paramilitary orgs, and nobody mentioned that the SPD (although one of the rare agents of reason during the entire period) was the party dominating the reichstag from 1919 til 1930 and themselves a socialist party (even if closer to the center than the others).
Now I imagine you'll say that also nobody criticizing OP mentioned the kapp putsch either or the hugenburg/reichswehr/stahlhelm "axis", etc. I'll meet you halfway and admit that the way I went about illustrating my point was a bit cuntish.
>both of you should rot in hell and it is sad that the Reichsbanner schwarz rot gold wasn't armed to the teeth and then let loose on both KPD and NSDAP
I'm in absolute agreement with this. The topic is being tainted by people's own political leanings and everyone is missing the point that weimar until 1930 was actually extremely politically split and felt like it could politically go either way. The average germans were probably shitscared and made a terrible call in response, one which continue to haunt their national history to this day.
Jackson Richardson
>Now I imagine you'll say that also nobody criticizing OP mentioned the kapp putsch either or the hugenburg/reichswehr/stahlhelm "axis".
**And you'd be absolutely right, the conservative faction behaved shamefully and the military brass who still felt "forced" to sign the armistice in 1918 by the SPD-revolutionary coalition was willing to sabotage the democratic process in order to protect its status or to even try to roll back the clock. Thinking they could control and manipulate NSDAP was the cherry on the cake.
Once again, just trying to make the point factionalism is ruining subjective biases are ruining proper historical interpretation of this period.
Juan Long
>just trying to make the point factionalism is ruining subjective biases are ruining proper historical interpretation of this period.
wew im drunk, I meant factionalism and personal biases are ruining proper discussion here. My bad. Should probably sober up a little before posting again , sorry Veeky Forumsbros.
John Rogers
Well I have the problem that most of the time in a discussion I will remain calm but there is always a certain point where I snap and go on full confrontation. In most cases when arguing with nazis or commies. I should learn to reamin calm because anger weakens the point I try to make and makes me open to ridicule.