Why did Panarabism fail?

"European" is also a meme identity but the european union is a thing.

To answer your question OP the real reason was that there was a conflict of interest. After colonialism ended, both N.Africa, m.East Arabs and Arabs of the Arabian peninsula had conflicting interests.

The Arabs , like Egypt, Iraq, and Syria were firmly pro-Soviet union. The other Arabs however of the Arabian peninsula due to their location, the expansion of the salfist religion and their main resource being oil, aligned firmly with the British and later USA side of internationalist trade and facilitated the creation of the petro-dollar.

There was also a division among the states that were formerly pro-soviet, Iraq got Saddam who was pro-American and Lebanon was destroyed by sectarian conflict and divided by the pro-Syrian Hezbollah and the pro-Israeli Christians.

N. Africa continued a stagnating status quo of dictators with the oddball Gaddafi, but most of them continued to be dependent on the mediterranean trade with europe. So they did not want to upset this status quo.

There is also the Shia -Sunni sectarian conflict that is made more apparent today due to Iran being more powerful after Syria and Iraq were destroyed, and the rise of sunni fundamentalism.

>What is Switzerland
>What is Austria
>What are all those other Germanic cultures

Karma

And EU is Hardly working, also there is no way EU could survive if it became a real state

>hurr all German states must unite for it to be successfull

It was based on nationalism and socialism, concepts that are alien to most arabs.
The only thing the can possible unite these people is Islam.

I'm Iraqi, I've lived with Arabs my whole life, and experienced firsthand living with an Arab family, let me tell you: no two Arabs will ever agree on anything.

Find the most stupid basic thing, and Arabs will fight to the death over it. They are such a stupidly sectarian and tribalistic people. Whenever they see someone, they think "oh, can you believe he's from THAT family, or she's from THAT family, or his parents work in this lowly profession, or 20 years ago his cousin's friend's brother's wife did this small thing we disapprove of".

They're such a judgemental and tribalistic people they will never unite. They will just be tribes fighting each other over stupid stuff. The only way they can be united is by force.

Muhammad united the Arab tribes by force. Before that they were divided and exploited by the Roman and Persian Empires. He united them and they took over the world.

Salahuddin al-Ayubi united the Arabs by force, and then he managed to take Jerusalem.

If Arabs united and worked together, they could reach the stars, and no country will compare, not Russia or America or China or whoever. But it will never happen, because Arabs would rather just fight over petty bullshit like religion, sect, tribe. The world will end before you find two arabs that agree on one thing.

A little joke: An American man once travelled to the middle east, and he was talking with the people there about his country. He said his country's politics are divided by two factions, those who support Truman and those who support Dewey in the upcoming election. They told him politics in middle east are divided by those who support Ali and those who support Omar. He asked him where these men are, and they said they've been dead for 1300 years.

Arabs will fight to the death and start wars because they still can't agree over who should have succeeded Abu Bakr as caliph 1300 years ago.

>muslim brothers

Arab nationalism was created by Arab christians as a response to Ottoman persecution and enforcement of islamic identity.

>only thing that can unite them is islam
That's why you have islamist theocracies like Iran, Saudi Arabia, and ISIS all hating each other? Islam will only divide them because each moron will claim that his Islam is the only true one and label every other sect "kuffar" and have no respect for other religions or ideologies.

Atheism will never work in the arab world because arabs are by nature religious, but they are also by nature religiously diverse, so you can't enforce one sect or religion on all arabs, you need a state that doesn't persecute religion but doesn't enforce religion either.

>Because "arab" is a meme identity

This. Go back 300 years they were called Ishmaelites and Saracens.

They failed because of outside circumstances through. Austrian identity only arose in the 60. and considered themselves vast majority as German before

>If Arabs united and worked together, they could reach the stars, and no country will compare, not Russia or America or China or whoever.

Umayad, bro?

youtube.com/watch?v=gCvMMSTOl4Q

The ability for Arabs to argue among themselves is astonishing. Why are they so prone to bouts of anger?

i don't know, i think its the hot weather in the arab world, it really makes people agitated. Notice every revolution in the arab world happens in july, at the height of summer?

Arabs that migrate to the west actually do pretty well economically and financially, so I wonder if its the middle eastern weather.

Or it could just be the culture, where you always have to be right, and if someone disagrees with you, it's taken as an insult to your integrity so you double down. Arabs are always so keen to one up each other, they always end up speaking in exaggerations, and the tiniest thing explodes into an argument cause they always escalate.

>hot weather
There's defiantly something to that. All the choicest riots happen on hot summer days and nights.

Typical of sand niggers to brag about chimping out like that.

Lack of democracy and open politics. The Arab states are dominated by dictators there's no way these guys can come together to unite their nations since that would require them to relinquish power, if they were okay with doing that they wouldn't be dictators in the first place.

Pan-Arabism will likely re-surface when more Arab countries accept democracy it's natural just like European Union, unlike the EU however Arabs throughout history have spent more time together under one polity than they have as independent nations.

they are a desert people, violence is more effective than cooperation in a desert

kissinger and his balance of power

Unlike Eurangutans with their muh Rome, muh British Empire?

We actually cultured people though. All Arabs ever did was destroy. Destroyed so much culture. We'll never have an Aramaic speaking Middle East, an Egyptian and Berber speaking North Africa. Greeks allowed the people to keep their cultures. Only the Elite spoke Greek. Arabs decided to impose their shitty culture on their entirety of North Africa and the Middle East. It hasn't recovered since.

>"European" is also a meme identity but the european union is a thing.

"European" just means a person from europe while arab is an etnicity.

baath is the only future for arabs

> Arabic speakers are all Arabs
Who actually thinks this?

Like anglos and spainiards did to the Americas and Australia?

Shame Saddam had to sperg out and attack Iran. They both had the same enemies. Khomeini could have been a bro

>what is Bavaria

>That's why you have islamist theocracies like Iran, Saudi Arabia, and ISIS all hating each other? Islam will only divide them because each moron will claim that his Islam is the only true one and label every other sect "kuffar" and have no respect for other religions or ideologies.

The Sunni-Shia divide is a thing, obviously. But despite that, I think Islam would be the best unifying force for them. It worked in the past.

The problem is most arabs WANT religion enforced

STOP with this fucking meme, Somali's are NOT arabs.

We've got our own language, our own history and our own culture.

Gosh the only thing that can temporarily stop Arabs from constantly fighting each other is foreign control (ottoman or european) or militant Islam - lets get rid of both of those things

If it's any consolation, I don't think the Arab world wants you.

Good riddance, we want nothing to do with arab vermin.

do not lump us in with anglo wh*Tes please

>Arab nationalism was created by Arab christians
that's a dangerous oversimplification.
While arab christians (and other religious minorities) definitely profited from arab nationalism and were heavily involved in arab nationalist activism, it defnitely wasn't their exclusive domain and at its height the majority of sunni muslim arabs were enthusiastic supporters of the pan-arab project. Today's religious sectarianism was unthinkable even just 50 years ago.

What do you think of Somaliland?

>accomplishes more than your people EVER will
>vermin

>Greeks allowed the people to keep their cultures. Only the Elite spoke Greek. Arabs decided to impose their shitty culture on their entirety of North Africa and the Middle East.
this is patently wrong. Just as with the greeks only the elite spoke arabic in the beginning and aramaic was even the official language of the caliphate in the beginning. over time the language of the upper classes trickled down and people switched over, which was simple enough for people who already spoke aramaic which is closely related.

I speak it and I would like to see a source about it being the official language if you have one. Also, just to say, I don't find Arabic easy to understand.

i can't give you a source right now but that's what my lecturer on ethnography of the middle east said. The arabs obviously weren't experienced governors, so they just kept the local administrators around, which caused aramaic to remain as the de facto lingua franca in the levant and mesopotamia.

Aramaic and arabic obviously aren't mutually intelligible but they are grammatically similar and have many cognate words, therefore one is easy to learn if you already know the other.

Since you don't speak arabic, i'm guessing you're an american diaspora Aramean/Assyrian? I hope you carry on the language to your children, it's really cool! I definitely want to learn at least Syriac and maybe also modern aramaic at some point.

lol as opposed to what?

Thanks for the information and for your interest in the language. I am actually trying to preserve it, by improving my own knowledge of it first, which is harder for someone who's from the diaspora (you guessed correctly). There are both cognate Semitic words, early loanwords, and modern loanwords which are unfortunately over-used due to Arabization. Literary Syriac is pretty close, in my opinion.