Iranian Shahs 1925-79

How does Veeky Forums feel about the Imperial State of Iran 1925-1979. Coming from a Shah loyalist family I only got one side of the story. I know the Pahlavi dynasty where American puppets but wasn't that at least better that the other two options given by the revolution (Socialist or Islamic gov)?

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They were violent military dictators and the fact that they called themselves Shahs is really an insult to all the previous dynasties.

You are right that the post-revolutionary regime is not any better but the fact that a revolution even had to happen was purely the result of Mohammad Reza's incompetence which he could only make up for with brutality. While he and his wife were living a fancy western luxury life far removed from the realities of the people, anyone who voiced criticism was thrown into the Savak's torture chambers. No one can blame the Iranian people for revolting against that piece of shit. Though certainly they could have been a little more careful about who to put in charge afterwards.

Mohammad Reza got kind of arrogant, doing shit like pic related while a lot of the country was struggling, thinking he was safe cause oil and American protection; then suppressing any dissent with SAVAK

now I wouldn't call him a tyrant, or totally negligent: he enfranchised women, took steps to environmental protection, instituted land reforms (which actually backfired), and improved infrastructure/healthcare

but in so many ways, he sowed the seeds of his own demise, and ignored groups (some quite powerful in society) that his actions affected - these people got pissed, and then came the revolution (which I don't find to be inherently 'Islamic').
dude had swag though
I can't say I know much about his predecessors

The revolution happens for a reason, it was going fine until it got hijacked by Khomeinists, an ideal outcome would be that the more democratic liberal side to win
Either way the current government greatly improves economic condition of average Iranians compared to during Shah's era, and it seems the country is slowly going to the right direction, Iran seems to be technologically and culturally progressive for an Islamic theocracy even compared to their more secular neighbour, which is a good thing

Ps; beware of shitposter posting the word "(F)ersian"

>the fact that they called themselves Shahs is really an insult to all the previous dynasties
Pahlavis > Qajars to be quite honest with you doostam.

>violent military dictators
>Reza Khan
Go away Qajar apologist.

>insult to previous dynasties
Let's see there are the >QAJARS who were brutally incompetent, backwards, refused to reform their government, when Amir Kabir did happen, they had him eventually desposed of and killed while he was trying to modernize the nation and government, so no.
>Zand dynasty
Bunch of rampaging Afghanis who didn't do shit. Nah I don't think so nigga.

they were pathetic , OP.
I don't understand how LA Persian diapora don't see how much of a puppet he was- the shah literally shit his pants and fled the country when mossadegh won only returning after the CIA and Brits ensured control. Aren't you guys embarrassed to support such a monarchy?

Op here, I actually agree with you I don't support the shahs my family did but only because they benefited from the corrupt administration. I was about to dispute your meme when I realized I would just be proving your point, well played western pig dog.

I don't like the current Iranian governement, I really don't, but I'm glad the Shah got toppled

>two options given by the revolution (Socialist or Islamic Government)
>Being Iranian and not knowing the existence of Ali Shariati.

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He died in 1977 at the age of 43.

Well, I take it Persians who post on this site must be diaspora or 2-3rd gen immigrants, but I lived there until 6-7 years ago. My family supported the Shah and didn't like the revolution, but we're also Armenian. We probably don't care so much about the bad parts of the monarchy since the islamic regime is so much worse for us. Although not completely bad, we've known much worse muslims lol.
We were always segregated but after 79, we basically walled ourselves off. For example, I lived in a little town in Mazandaran, muslims weren't allowed through the gates and it's the only city in the country with a non-sharia court and laws.
People who were born after the revolution appreciated the government allowing more and more freedoms to minorities (own communities, stores with alcohol, clubs, churches) but older people didn't like that this was necessary at all.
Right now islamic retardation has lessened I think. I didn't have to learn Arabic and read the koran in school while my parents did.
I never had a chance to actually talk with a Persian that still lived there about their real opinions, but immigrants that I've met are overwhelming pro-Shah, probably wouldn't immigrate otherwise.

To answer your question, monarchy would be the best choice, I'm biased against islamicism for obvious reasons but there are people who support it simply as a reform, but I feel it was worse for Iran. Socialism would have been an absolute disaster though, the entire reason I was born in Iran is because my family was leaving the SSR in the 20's kek.
We would have definitely stayed in Iran if it wasn't for the consequences of islamic policies, my family was pretty well off and liked it there tbqh.

By the way, for being an islamic theocracy Iran is still pretty based, they just returned a 700 year old bell to Armenia and are putting up like a million dollars to repair a church built in 68 AD.
There's also a meme about the newer generation rejecting islam and converting to zoroastrianism?

I know liberals existed at the time but they weren't an option because their policies were too weak and their supporters were idealists, what I meant by Socialist and Islamic government being the only options given by the revolution was that one or the other where bound to make a coup

>hating on based Karim
>calling him afghan

Eat shit.

>Well, I take it Persians who post on this site must be diaspora or 2-3rd gen immigrants

Pretty sure half of us are just european iranboos kek

Karim is garbage tier.

What town in Mazandaran? My dad is from Babol.

Rozet khosh

Butthurt Qajar eunuchs detected

Haykashen, it's right on the beach, would be about 75km west of Babol. It's just a tiny village compared to Babol or Amol though.

Alright I see. Thanks for answering.

Read the chapter on Iran of this very interesting monograph: redmoonrising.com/Ikhwan/BritIslam.htm

>""Iranian Shahs""
>literally founded by a Arab/Turk mongrel that used to serve the Turkic Qajars but after their downfall ended up riding around with his makeshift Turkic Kossack bandit brigades looting and pillaging until the Anglo uses them to gain power as their personal puppets over the region
>end up calling themselved "Pahlavi" to act like they actually have any connection to the past Kurdish Parthian dynasty, when their real last name is fucking Ali Khan
>this after centuries of Turkic rule and even today and a fucking Azeri Turk is ruling over them
Why are (F)ersians so cucked even in their own lands?

>Kurdish QTs gonna bang your turkroach ass into the Back Sea

Reza Shah wasn't half bad. He was a cruel faggot who forced people to wear suits because of muh west, but he was competent enough to set up modern institutions in iran. His son might just have been the most incompetent leader in the last 50 years or so though. He actually managed to do considerably worse in upping Iran's hdi than a bunch of isolated autistic mullahs in the middle of a war.