How did Italian Fascism differ from Nazism?

>mfw my ally calls me less worthy race

Let's not forget that Italians were not at the peak of contemponary racial (me)metrics like those of M. Grant. Mussolini sismply couldn't push the race meme with a straight face.

I mean when you live in a nation that historically has been a major trading port as well as being one of 3 major pilgrimage locations in the world, and over the centuries everyone's got a little bit of something in them. Yeah, would be a little hard to believe that anyone in your country is racially "pure"

When did Hitler ask this of Mussolini? Not a wehraboo, just didn't know this

It was like 1942 or something.

Good leader: bad country
Nazi Germany was bad leader: good country

Also unlike Nazi Germany where in theory the system could outlast Hitler if one of the other head nazis took over, Fascist Italy could not survive the death of Mussolini. The entire system was a massive house of cards built on thuggery and fear to begin with, and Mussolini seemed to love shaking the table just to tempt it.

Isn't it also why all American popculture icons like Mickey Mouse have names translated into Italian?

This gives as least some background
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Italy#Jews_during_the_Fascist_era

>they literally stopped persecuting the jews because the pope told them to

Can't find anything there

His people hated him even more than the germans hated hitler.

this in a thick italian accent

No they didn't.

Yeah because I got the year wrong, see

requesting weird nazi pagan shit, always intrigues me

Less teutonic autism

Eh, among his haters anyway. Both are dumb statements. But yes Hitler was less hated by ethnic germans. Italians were more historically seasoned with someone like that.

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Mussolini was never a popular man, basically only the blackshirts liked him. He didn't need an idealogy to control people, he ruled them through fear and force.

>Mussolini was never a popular man.

*Citation Needed*

castor oil

They turned on him pretty damn quick the second things went south.

Man the republic of salo was literally a nazi puppet in this time (mussolini did not have real authority), people was mostly concern in save their own skin and join the winning side. The sad part (at least for me) is mussolini knew that.

You can start by reading this article
laphamsquarterly.org/roundtable/song-ice-and-fire

>When Hitler told Italy to conduct the holocaust as well

Never forget the Holocaust goy

>INB4 backtracking by saying it's the numbers that are wrong.

There was still some mysticism with Italian fascism, but nowhere near the level of German autism.
I mean, Italy has a history spanning thousands of years, they didn't need to LARP as Hyperboreans when they could just look to the Roman era for glory.

Yeah but it's not like they went all the way and made everyone speak latin.

This. I've only got two pictures of this German autism and it intrigues me.
Mussolini was incredibly popular in Italy until he started losing battles. When Italy itself was invaded, the people had had enough.

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epic xD

Italian fascism lacked German austism.

Shadilay!

>He can't distinguish between the unironic Nazis on /pol/ and the Kuckistanis
Embarrassing

ebin

Nazi=wants to conquer the world and kill all the Jess
Fascist=wants to kill commies

Global v national. Both are leftist ideologies of totalitarianism. Totalitarianism is of the Left.

The Right wants to be left the fuck alone.

>When Hitler told Italy to conduct the holocaust as well, Mussolini just threw them in a minimum security prison for political prisoners somewhere in southern Italy and called it a day.
No he didn't and not a single Jew was handed to the Germans before the puppet state era, during which Duce had no real power (but was allowed to spout all kinds on nonsense though, probably because Hitler respected him quite a bit).
Italian forces in France formed refugee zones for Jews, to which they flogged and inside which Germans were not allowed to operate.

The place for political prisoners (in general, not Jews) was mostly exile in outer Italian islands, exile which was quite different from Soviet practice of throwing city dwellers to the unhabited Taiga.

The racial manifesto was simply trickery to fool Hitler after the fate of Italian-Anglo alliance was sealed off forever (which probably would not been the case if Churchill would been listened). It should be noted that the manifesto laws excused 'Patriotic Jews' who had served in the war, joined the PNF before the March on Rome etc., which constitued quite a large part of the Italian Jewish population. It was rather attack on the 'bourgoise' (the Social-Democratic definition of it), not the Jewry per se. But it did make the lives of Jews worse, especially economically, that cannot be denied.

Yes, Mussolini had no idiotic illusions about some 'master race', he full well knew that Italians were Mediterraean bastards of many nations.

It's the biggest political crime of the century by the Reds to blame National Socialist crimes on the 'Fascists'; they didn't practice mass terror or genocide, unlike German National Socialists and Russian Bolsheviks and that is already reason enough to differentiate between the two (or three).

And of course, the war crimes committed by the Italians (and their Somali colonial forces) in the Ethiopian adventure are a fact that cannot be whitewashed. Savagery indeed, but not different from the practices of other Colonization campaings by the Eternal Anglo, French, Belgium or Germans only few decades earlier.

I would genuinely love to live in a Fascist state. To just devote all my love and energy to the great leader.

someone hasn't read his Evola.

Good books on the subject are: Stanley G. Paynes' 'History of Fascism 1914-1945' and Renzo De Felice's (Italian Jew, whose house was bombed by Italian Socialists, because he wrote objective history of Fascism and debunked the myths of Italian Socialist 'resistance' and 'liberation' to Fascism) massive Mussolini biography (not translated though, only in Italian) and his 'The Jews in Fascist Italy: A History'.

Richard Pipes also has a good chapter devoted to the differences of Russian Bolshevism, Italian Fascism and German National Socialism in his 'Russia under the Bolshevik regime'.

Fascists are fucking commies.

All for the State, and nothing else.

And he did 'piss' Sarfatti off, she would not have emigrated to the United States otherwise.

The primary difference is that Fascism is an ideology that is wholly subservient to the state, while Nazisim is the state wholly subservient to ideology.

>They turned on him pretty quick
Communist opportunists are hardly a good sample size for all italians.

And my glass of water is a glass around a pint of water, and my pint of water has a glass around it.

Yes, very different.

>Mussolini was never a popular man, basically only the blackshirts liked him. He didn't need an idealogy to control people, he ruled them through fear and force.
What a load of shit. There hasn't been a single dictator in 20th century more liked by the their respective populations. Majority 'turned' on him after the Communist partisans had summary executed him and Betacci and dragged him to the Milan gas station. After that date the 'resistance' numbers increased tenfold. Italians are simply corrupted hypocrites.

And the Squadristi were the ones who hated Mussolini the most after the power of local Ras were removed and they could no longer participate in the weekly beat-off's with Commies (during which they - blackshirts and commie thugs - killed each other in equal numbers, the only 'mass' violence in Fascist Italy).
Mussolini didn't order the Matteotti beat-up or eventual murder of and went berserk when he realized what the blackshirts had done.

And fear? Like Mussolini said 'The 'Ceka' (referring to Cheka obviously) is in Russia, not Italy' and which was quite true: there was no omnipotent security organs in Italy like in Russia or Germany (and Gestapo, SD and other German organs at least followed state laws, unlike Chekists in Russia).
It was the popular crowd who teared the second assasinator-to-be of Mussolini to pieces, not the Blackshirts (and it should be noted that the first tyracider from Potato country was not sentenced and the third to ten years in prison, which was shortened to three eventually).

it actually baffles me that there are people who think about politics in this way. its pretty obscene how they boil down centuries of ideological thought and political debate into two poles, both obviously caricatures of certain more prevalent ideologies. you can obviously see the 'us and them' mentality at work, but what i find so surprising is that the definitions put forward have so little basis in the real world i cant comprehend how anyone could think like this.

Don't be obtuse. What is good for an ideology is not the same as what is good for a state. See: The Entire History of Communism.

>When Hitler told Italy to conduct the holocaust as well,

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>Le no tread on me snek is right wing

Could you please fuck off?

>His mistress was Jewish, he wasn't going to piss her off.
SPAGHETTI'D
How can those Jewish boys with their tiny
circumcised penises compete with this Italian Stallion with the big meatballs and the mozarella cheese coming out of his big stromboli?

>Nazis
>Socialist

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#Tenets

>Fascism presented itself as a third position, alternative to both international socialism and free market capitalism. While fascism opposed mainstream socialism, it sometimes regarded itself as a type of nationalist "socialism", to highlight their commitment to national solidarity and unity. Fascists opposed international free market capitalism, but supported a type of productive capitalism.

>Fascist governments advocated resolution of domestic class conflict within a nation in order to secure national solidarity. This would be done through the state mediating relations between the classes (contrary to the views of classical liberal-inspired capitalists). While fascism was opposed to domestic class conflict, it was held that bourgeois-proletarian conflict existed primarily in national conflict between proletarian nations versus bourgeois nations. Fascism condemned what it viewed as widespread character traits that it associated as the typical bourgeois mentality that it opposed, such as materialism, crassness, cowardice, inability to comprehend the heroic ideal of the fascist "warrior"; and associations with liberalism, individualism, and parliamentarianism.

>While fascism denounced the mainstream internationalist and Marxist socialisms, it claimed to economically represent a type of nationalist productivist socialism that while condemning parasitical capitalism, was willing to accommodate productivist capitalism within it. This was derived from Henri de Saint Simon, whose ideas inspired the creation of utopian socialism and influenced other ideologies, that stressed solidarity rather than class war and whose conception of productive people in the economy included both productive workers and productive bosses to challenge the influence of the aristocracy and unproductive financial speculators.Saint Simon's vision combined the traditionalist right-wing criticisms of the French Revolution combined with a left-wing belief in the need for association or collaboration of productive people in society. Whereas Marxism condemned capitalism as a system of exploitative property relations, fascism saw the nature of the control of credit and money in the contemporary capitalist system as abusive. Unlike Marxism, fascism did not see class conflict between the Marxist-defined proletariat and the bourgeoisie as a given or as an engine of historical materialism. Instead, it viewed workers and productive capitalists in common as productive people who were in conflict with parasitic elements in society including: corrupt political parties, corrupt financial capital, and feeble people, Fascist leaders such as Mussolini and Hitler spoke of the need to create a new managerial elite led by engineers and captains of industry—but free from the parasitic leadership of industries.

kek

still not socialist bro.
you can't have private property and be socialist.