Why all the hate for Fascism? Leddit is posting literally anything related to hating Fascism and getting upboated...

Le Duche shouldn't have been Hitlers bitchboy then.

Mussolini was quite racist too, and in the 40's accepted Evolan racism as well

Curazy meme

Because he's wacky

>and futurism it's the superior aesthetic.
I agree, best artistic movement of the 20th century

you mean the other way around

Can anyone define exactly and specifically what "fascism" is?

>How can they dehumanize people and get away with it?
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It's just socially conservative communism quite frankly, and every regional version disagrees on shit

From my understanding it touts the superiority of the state, and the state acts as a paternal guardian to its citizens and seeks to better their lives. It promotes self-sufficiency, state capitalism, and traditional values.

Everything for the State, and nothing else.

Giovanni Gentile (Italian: [dʒoˈvanni dʒenˈtiːle]; 30 May 1875 – 15 April 1944) was an Italian neo-Hegelian idealist philosopher, educator, and fascist politician, and a peer of Benedetto Croce. The self-styled "philosopher of Fascism", he was influential in providing an intellectual foundation for Italian Fascist thought, and ghostwrote part of The Doctrine of Fascism (1932) with Benito Mussolini.

His philosophical basis for fascism was rooted in his understanding of ontology and epistemology, in which he found vindication for the rejection of individualism, and acceptance of collectivism, with the state as the ultimate location of authority and loyalty outside of which individuality had no meaning (and which in turn helped justify the totalitarian dimension of fascism).

Fascism isn't Nazism.
Also Capitalism, liberalism and Communism have destroyed far more cultures

eternal truth, the aryan way.
>Fascism isn't Nazism
wrong,

How do pro-fascist thinkers overcome the inevitability of The State being controlled by a cabal?

"Anything authoritarian that isn't communist" - that's pretty much the lefty definition.

They assume they're in the cabal, obviously.

What is this retarded image trying to prove?

>How can they dehumanize people and get away with it? Fascism is an actual viable ideology the same way Communism is

So not at all?

Fascism is absolute cosmical truth.

If you disagree you are funny looking.

Nazism is Hitlerism so instead of the state everything has to cater to Hitler

I dont like authoritarianism
As simple as that

>Why all the hate for Fascism?
Fascism took on the meaning 'overt dictatorship' and general authoritarianism. Plebs don't know shit about fascism the ideology, they just hate on antidemocratic thought in general, which is perfectly understandable given most western countries are based upon democracy.

That pic is so fucking retarded it beggars belief.
The first and second element are inherent to the vast majority of political movements in general.
The third doesn't even apply to fascism

Even the original fascists didnt knew

If you guys were in Donald Trumps shoes, how would you handle the Charlottetown incident?

>Why don't people like facism?
It's more of a /pol/ question since it's a question regarding current day politics, but I'd guess people don't like the whole "kill kids on an island" and "run over people with a car" thing they have going for them.

Because "Benito Bros" like you would be banned and probably jailed for using Veeky Forums. Do you want your right to shitpost and troll online to be taken away by the state?

>implying

Honestly our lives would probably be better instead of shitposting all day. We need someone to point us in the right direction.

tweet some tonedeaf blurb and make it worse

Because fascists are dumb fucking excuses for human beings, you dense faggot.

People have a right to protest and when anti protesters come in to shit things up bad things are bound to happen. Every side deserved what happened.

You a part of the haymaker collective?

Yeah which is why you need a Republic or a statesman that will lead the cause of liberty. If we can't get liberty, then have a benevolent dictatorship where you have a leader who is pragmatic but isn't going to jail you for criticizing the state.

He was so racist he didn't care that his soldiers racemixed left and right in Abyssinia.

They embrace it.

he's not using the office of the president to even try to help, is what I'm saying

We had those, they were called monarchies. Kings had absolute power but rarely executed them because institutions existed in those societies that curbed their power such as the Church, the nobles, guilds and burghers.

Maybe we should return to that then.

tard.

the third is fascism, italian fascism is their cultures representation of fascism. As German fascism is for the Germans, and Spanish the spaniards

Since the early 20th century liberal thinkers took up the notion that 'the masses' were motivated primarily by emotions, myths and symbols, totally helpless to understand the complexity of administering a state; that they were inept in governing themselves and should be treated as such. The common man was unable to see the world outside of the muddles of prejudices and symbols he had grown up in and become accustom to and the solution to this was a class of rational experts beyond the reach of the ballot box who would be tasked with the actual business of government while only superficial and procedural matters would be placed before the people.

An attempt to treat the electorate as rational and intellectual individuals was foolhardy and dangerous because if a 'responsible leader', in the words of Walter Lippmann, 'did not provide compelling faiths and dreams, irresponsible demagogues would leap into the breach'.

The fruit of this thinking is that Liberalism in large measure cannot provide compelling leadership because it holds its followers in contempt and condescension. Citizens of the western world recognize, at least viscerally if not intellectually, how their leaders see them as belonging to a separate lower class and have grown cynical, apathetic or quasi-radical because of it.

yeah that was before the 40's, besides
“I have an unbounded faith in the future greatness of the Italian people. Ours is, among the European peoples, the largest and most homogeneous. … Unlike the pessimists who believe that everything is great in other people’s houses, while everything is too small in their own, we have pride in our race and our history.”
-Speech in Trieste, February 6, 1921

“How then was this Fascismo born… it was born of the profound and perennial need of this our Mediterranean and Aryan race…”
-Speech in Bologna, April 3, 1921

“…we feel those bonds of race to be alive and vital which bind us, not only to the Italians of Zara, Ragusa and Cattaro, but also to those of the Canton Ticino and Corsica, to those beyond the oceans, to all that great family of fifty million men whom we wish to unite in the same pride of race.”
-Speech in Bologna, April 3, 1921

“Italy is not a State, she is a nation, because from the Alps to Sicily there is the fundamental unity of our race, our customs, our language and our religion.”
-Speech in Milan, October 4, 1922

“It must not be forgotten that, besides the minority that represent actual militant politics, there are forty millions of excellent Italians who work, by their splendid birth-rate perpetuate our race…”
-Speech Delivered in the Chamber, November 16, 1922

“We, here and everywhere, are ready for any battle so that we may uphold the foundations of our race and of our history.”
-Speech in London, December 12, 1922

“Let me first of all say how happy I am that we should have met in these magnificent rooms which furnish evidence of the strength and beauty of our race.”
-Speech in Rome, January 2, 1923

If Petrograd (Pietrograd) does not yet fall, if [General] Denikin is not moving forward, then this is what the great Jewish bankers of London and New York have decreed. These bankers are bound by ties of blood to those Jews who in Moscow as in Budapest are taking their revenge on the Aryan race that has condemned them to dispersion for so many centuries. In Russia, 80 percent of the managers of the Soviets are Jews, in Budapest 17 out of 22 people's commissars are Jews. Might it not be that bolshevism is the vendetta of Judaism against Christianity?? It is certainly worth pondering. It is entirely possible that bolshevism will drown in the blood of a pogrom of catastrophic proportions. World finance is in the hands of the Jews. Whoever owns the strongboxes of the peoples is in control of their political systems. Behind the puppets (making peace) in Paris, there are the Rothschilds, the Warburgs, the Schiffs, the Guggenheims who are of the same blood who are conquering Petrograd and Budapest. Race does not betray race....Bolshevism is a defense of the international plutocracy. This is the basic truth of the matter. The international plutocracy dominated and controlled by Jews has a supreme interest in all of Russian life accelerating its process of disintegration to the point of paroxysm. A Russia that is paralyzed, disorganized, starved, will be a place where tomorrow the bourgeoisie, yes the bourgeoisie, o proletarians will celebrate its spectacular feast of plenty."

-Il Popolo d'Italia, 1919
“Well we, Fascisti, want to bring into every city, into every part of the country, even the most remote, the pride and passion of belonging to the most noble Italian race; the race which has produced Dante, which has given Galileo, the greatest masterpieces of art, Verdi, Mazzini, Garibaldi and d’Annunzio to the world, and which has produced the people who won Vittorio Veneto.”
-Speech in Ferrara, April 4, 1920

>1940's
>Expects anyone to not be racist

I bet you don't understand the three concepts of Evolan Racism do you? Lemmings, all of you.

What are you trying to imply here? That Mussolini loved his race and its customs?
Nationalism and racism are two very different things.

In the 40s Mussolini was a puppet, never heard of Republic of Salò?

Benito best boy.

Reactionary authoritarian collectivist capitalism

>capitalism
No.

>implying people don't have the right to counter protest
If anything the police are the ones to blame for letting shit get real

>going on reddit
I made the mistake of looking through twitter while all this controversy was going on, hilarious but too homosexual to be totally funny to me
just fucking GAY, you know, if there's anything in this world I hate, it's snide faggotry

>Be Benito
>hardcore marxist
>WWI kicks in
>"Hey guys maybe we should fight."
>"Fuck off Benito! You fucking traitor!"
>WTF I'm not a socialist now
>add militarization and nationalism to his idololgy
>"I call it Facism!"
>Autist from Austria steals your idea and starts WWII
>but it wasn't socialism

>is for hierarchy and is anti-egalitarian
hurrhurr totally sounds like socialism

>implying Strasserism isn't the true third way between capitalism and Marxist internationalism

Stay cucked, (((fascists)))

It's socialism but not really socialism as defined today. It was more of a race-based exclusive ethnosocialism.

>what if we were communists, but only in one country
wow, what a shocking and never before thought of ideology

because its a lie just like communism

how can anyone believe someone living in a mansion with no shortage of anything, doing nothing all day is acting in the best interest of his ppl by sending poor ppl with shitty equipment into war

This

Is that from Bernays' "Propaganda"? I remember reading something similar in it

looks very north-korean. is north-korea actually strasserist?

Its a paraphrase of arguments Walter Lippmann and some other early 20th century progressive put forward. I haven't read Bernays, but I know his work on 'Public Opinion' was influential and related to those ideas.

Fascist policies would be a great inconvenience to me, as a sjw degenerate trap cuck. It really only appeals to an extremely small minority of people.
It's actually fairly obvious why most people would be against it.

Only if you consider North Korea "Socialist"

Mussolini was a joke. His speeches were hilarious, his ideals were cookie-cutter populist trash, he looks like a Shriner's retarded. Easily the worst dictator of the 20th century in terms of style and class.

I really don't think leddit even knows what it is, they seem to think fascism is protectionist capitalism and racialism combines with militarism, in reality fascism is a collectivist reactionary movement that is strongly against materialism.

Liberal decrying """"fascism"""" is like whenever you some some lolbertarian post about national socialism is marxian socialism somehow.

>Fascism is just about war where historically rich laugh as they make poor people do work
You really don't know much about Hitler, do you?

He's an intriguing person with a (purposefully crafted) larger than life image.

Except how defines race is that it is a spiritual thing, so he is not advocating biological determininism

Hahahahahahahaha look at this moron kek

>actual viable ideology the same way Communism is

that's part of evolan racism he later adopted fully in 41 you twit, spirit makes the mind higher and lower, and a higher mind will need a suitable aryan body to use as a

>Fascism is an actual viable ideology the same way Communism is
Yes, neither are viable.
>and to hate even the IDEA of it is insane
What's insane about hating the idea of my nation being ruled by totalitarian autocrats?

>He later adopted in 41
*Actually he never believed to hard in biological determininism

>totalitarian autocrats?
Vs
>Totalitarian oligarchs pulling the strings behind the scenes

Which is better?

An inevitability, possibly even desirable. The fact that they acknowledge that government will automatically produce hierarchy no matter how well intentioned makes them more intellectually honest than communists or democrats.

>If you guys were in Donald Trumps shoes, how would you handle the Charlottetown incident?
Exactly the way he did, except I wouldn't cave like a bitch and make the second statement. When two gangs are fighting, you denounce both of them, even if journalists happen to prefer one.

>communism is a viable ideology
come on now

>Why all the hate for Fascism?
Because the Fourth Comintern decided that everything to their right would henceforth be called Fascism. This actually included movements like Social Democrats, which likely aided in the rise of Naziism in Germany. However, liberal intellectuals in the West saw themselves as fellow travelers to the Communist movement, and adopted the term for everything to their right, willfully ignoring that they themselves would be labeled fascists.

Then during World War 2, various allied governments decided that they didn't need to bother explaining the difference between Fascism, Naziism, and an Imperialist Military Junta, they're all the enemy anyway, so they just used the terms interchangeably.

In the cold war, progressives in Western democracies were in an awkward position, since they were espousing views that were more in line with "The Enemy" than their own goverments. So what are they to do? Well, grab the easiest moral high ground possible. "At least we're not fascists." This included accusing people to their right of being fascist as before, but it was even more successful than it was in the thirties, because everyone remembered how awful World War 2 was.

So why do people bully poor old Benny? Basically because for 90 years, the Intellectual Left, their allies in Media and Academia, and their useful idiots have been using "Fascism" as their go to pejorative for when they can't be bothered to explain why they disagree with something. The irony is of course that Mussolini was pretty much a pinko who decided to put on a black shirt, and for a authoritarian government, his really wasn't that extreme. The moral of the story is that, once again, German Autism ruined everything.

Oligarchy, by far.
1) I can't even think of any examples of a totalitarian oligarchy. Oligarchies tend to be corrupt but don't attempt to reshape society in a totalizing fashion. And when they do, it's fair to call them autocrats, anyway.
2) Better a relatively divided elite than a unified one.

Oh yeah, and
3) If these are the only two options, then it's much better to have corrupt leaders who pull strings from behind the scenes, as opposed to ones who rule openly. If they have to pull strings, it means that their control isn't as total as the control of those who rule autocratically and openly.

>can't even think of any examples of a totalitarian oligarchy.
Rome, the US, EU, China, Russia. It's mostly a 20th century post communism phenomon , but the British were a quasi oligarchy well before the 20th century

I'm not sure you understand what Totalitarianism means

The only one of those that could be argued as being a totalitarian oligarchy is China.

>muh eternal cosmic order

Iron Meme pls go

>ITT Westerners deny their governments are totalitarian empires and shills for international business
>Because only China does that

LOL

Can you define your version of totalitarianism so we can get on the same page?

If you were living under a fascist state right now, you wouldn't even have access to this site.

to·tal·i·tar·i·an·ism
tōˌtaləˈterēəˌnizəm/
noun
a system of government that is centralized and dictatorial and requires complete subservience to the state.
Go away faggot

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