American Selfishness during the World Wars

Comparing professional army sizes from an non-mobilized country to a fully mobilized country that had been involved in the war for several years is silly. The US had an enormous leg up in conscriptable population vs any country that wasn't the USSR.

Remember that WW2 happening was the most profitable thing that ever happend to USA

Great thread OP, really contributing to the level of discourse on the board. Stand up job.

wtf i hate america now

It was actually bigger than the USSR by a fair amount as well. The U.S. had an overall larger military by personnel, it's just that a lot of it went into less visible branches like all those guys in the navy running supplies in bases all across the world.

>WW1
>Powers starts fighting because of autism and to be labeled the greatest of all
>Be American
>Heh fan, it is like all Europe against Germany and some others undeveloped countries, it is not like I will have to do any thing
>France and Britain starts being raped
>Have to be world police and save those idiots

>WW2
>Okay Allies declared war against Germany because they invaded a country or some sort named Poland
>It is not like the German´s got any chance, I mean they fucking lost and got raped 30 years ago
>Their only allies is a fucking Pasta nigger
>Germany rapes France, Netherlands,Luxembourg,Poland and everything between
>Weebos in the east
>Should we do something? I mean, We will have to expend billions if not more, american lives. Basically commit all areas of our socie...
>Bombs Pearl Harbour
>Germany attacks his ally USSR
>Fuck

>1955
>Fuck everyone is incompetent
>France is getting his ass kicked by commies
>Will do something before commies conquer half of the world as everyone else it is not able to win a modern war without us
>Help them
>Fast forward ten years
>we are winning, fuckers are resilient as fuck, but we are winning
>World starts insulting us and calling us World Police
>We don´t have that autorithy
>Goddammit hippies
>Lets pull out

Decide your goddammit mind

>WWI
>European powers throw autistic shitfits about 300 year old border disputes
>America stays neural until German autism makes them join the war

This. Beware the Eternal Euro.

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>America wants to drop supplies to partisans during the Warsaw Uprising
>Russians sitting across the river wont allow the Americans to land and refuel
>Russians say theyre "regrouping" and wait for the uprising to fail

please dont act like the Russians didnt act like shitheads too, everyone had their own agenda to follow and for America it was to not have immense casualties

You know nothing about either of the world wars, American domestic, monetary, or foreign policy of the era, how the Bolshevik revolution came about, or even provide a good reason why we should intervene in overseas wars in the first place. Read a book like Tragedy and Hope, or The Anglo-American Establishment, both by Dr. Carroll Quiqly. If you want to delve even deeper into the geo political and financial underpinnings of the world you can read books like None Dare Call it Conspiracy, which is a little too short and a bit dated, being written in 1971, but you could also read a book like The Creature from Jekyll Island if you want a more updated insight into how round table groups, supranational financial organizations, think tanks, central banking, and what is generally reffered to as the "deep state".

(basically a conglomeration of all the organizations mentioned above, and how they influence the powerful and unelected positions in a given government, especially the American alphabet agencies)
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You would be wise to know that round table groups and supranational financial organizations have been financing the Soviet Union since it's inception, including supporting the toppling the first ever democratically elected Russian government of the February/March revolution of 1917 in favor of Leninist and Trotskyist revolution in October later the same year. You would also be wise to know that the British empire has never stopped trying to get the United States back under its sphere of influence since the revolutionary war. The only reason why American foreign policy supported the UK in the war of 1914 was because the British had thoroughly co-opted our government and financial systems starting arguably as early as the 1870-80s and by the Wilson administration a number of round table organizations, most notably the CFR, the creation of the federal reserve, and the IRS, had cemented American dedication to creating supranational organizations and corporations to allow a group of men with little regard for national sovereignty or individual freedom to pull all the strings they could grab a hold of in the entire world.

The world still to marches to the beating drums of an elite that as Kennedy put it, "relies on covet means" to obtain more and more power in a decreasingly multi-polar world. Woodrow Wilson (who was constantly recieving and acting on the advice of his close confidant & "handler" Col. House) admitted that he fears he had sold our nation to a network so pervasive and closey woven into the fabric of international affairs and finance that "none dare speak above a whisper when speaking in condemnation of it".
Eisenhower's infamous farewell address spoke of this same network as he warned of a "military industrial complex" gaining unwarranted power over the nation and pushing us into a state of perpetual armament and warfare. ,

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Also don't forget that we sold and loaned fuckloads of "non-strategic" materials to the Soviet Union, ranging from powerplants, sophisticated air traffic control radar, factories for heavy industry, diesel engines, tractor-trailors, aircraft parts and engines, metal machining plants, oil refineries and drilling equipment, more grain and wheat than you could imagine, and basically everything needed to keep the Soviet Union from going under, as well as maintaining the Red Army, even as these same trucks, food shipments, industrial plants, radar, and machining tools were churning out machine guns, tanks, rifles, AA batteries and numerous other things that were killing tens of thousands of American troops in korea, Vietnam, and everywhere else the Cold War went hot.

These supranational organizations are running by people that are completely above the state of any country they operate in. They don't care if they're funding America's enemies or ev- n if the West itself goes full communist or fascist because they already control all important diplomatic, financial, and currency channels in the world through which resources are distributed or moved. They are not invincible, but by and large they will always be far from any conflict, famine, depression, recession, or Coup d'État that might threaten their firm grip on world affairs. It's impossible to kill them all or arrest them to solve the problem, these people die, go to jail, and lose or gain power and prominence all the time. What is important is tearing down the institutions they have built up over the last two centuries to choke individual freedoms, true democracy, true economic freedom, and the debt based currency manipulation and creation that shrinks our wealth through cycles of booms and busts, inflation, and constant warfare.

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So please don't say that Americans should have joined these inhumane and destructive conflicts earlier. They have only served those at the top of the food chain to further their grip on the world, it's resources, and allow them to create institutions that to this day further the suffering of billions for the benefit of a few. America is the new seat of global hegemony and the home of the institutions pushing for global government in the name of "democracy, peace, prosperity, and freedom", yet it's citizens have only suffered for this status. We are the military and financial juggernaut that is supposed to make such a high-minded and idealistic global government come about. So what is wrong with a global government? Nothing, in theory. We all share this planet and globalization has made it so that no place or nation is too isolated or far away to not be affected by the actions of others. The world needs peace, prosperity, democracy, enlightenment and individual freedoms. Unfortunately, whether these supranational organizations were truly created with such idealism as the ultimate goal, humanity's animal nature to cover resources and power over others has always coopted positions of global power and led to despotism. We aren't ready for global governance if there isn't yet a single city, county, or commune free of greed, corruption, or malice in its governing body. We have the technology and means to create a global government as of today, but it will never be more than another empire trying to squeeze the life and wealth out of its unwittingly subjugated slaves

Russia didn't do most of work in ww1, that honor goes to France.

Yes, supplying the warring states with military equipment is so much better.

There was no point to either war you faggot.

>Start pointless war
>Why won't a country 3000 miles away join my war?

Explain how either was America's problem?

>Poland flies planes from Italy day 1 to supply
>Churchill sends planes from Italy after asked by Poland
>FDR acts like a faggot commie nigger and does nothing until the last minute
Don't use the airfield excuse

Christ Americans actually believe this.

United States*

>it's the I don't have an argument nor understand real international Politik, I just spout meme show.

Europeans are still mad their great grandfathers destroyed their own multipler world because of autism twice.

>implying american lend lease and material support didn't singlehandedly save Russia during ww2

I think it goes to German empire

not op but tl;dr, can we get a short version plox?

A huge issue with WW1 at least was trying to join before the autocratic Russian Empire was knocked out. The American public was hostile to the idea of joining a Great War, and Wilson's idea was to argue the war was a crusade to bring democracy and republicanism to places like Germany and Austria-Hungary. It wouldn't have made sense if Wilson was talking about spreading democracy while fighting alongside the authoritarian Russian tsardom.

Thats a meme
Germany would have no way to use up the lebensraum its gained so they wont be able to annex Russia
On the other hand Russia would be so exhausted and lose so many people that she would not be able to spectacularly roll to Berlin like she did in 1945

It was not selfishness, it was pragmatism.

Europe should be grateful that the U.S. even bothered to save and liberate them not once, but twice. Especially when America was under no obligation to do so.

Honestly, the more Russians that die in any way whatsoever, the better life on earth becomes. I wish Ukraine had somehow kept their nuclear weapons and bombed that shithole to dust.

Everywhere we intervene goes to shit.

No YOU don't get it. The US had no obligation to help the allies in either war because it was happening a fucking ocean away. Did the British help the Union defeat the south in order to end slavery for the greater good? No they damn well didn't because it wasn't their fucking business. Americans didn't want a part of either war and for good reason, only stupid war-like Europeans wouldn't understand this.

Be grateful cunt

America was involved in the entirety of both wars you ingrate. Sending men isn't the sole way to win a war. Trade. Supplies, ammo, etc.

>gets involved in two pointless European wars that it didn't need to
>"selfish"

they should have let the communists and the Nazis have the lot, fuck Europe

While I agree with you, mostly, some of these places were already on their way of going to shit.

Britain traded munitions and other supplies for Union grain...

Which was because of the initial interventions

You fags are an ocean away. Why the fuck do you think we would have cared?
We were isolationist in mind and geography until the Nips attacked our military base, then we focused on the then immediate threat, which was on the other side of the world.

Read tradgedy and Hope, (there's a condensed version) the Anglo-American Establishment, both by Carroll Quiqly. Also read the Creature from Jekyll Island, and/or None Dare Call it Conspiracy.

For a tl;dr, A group of idealistic global elites have created supranational financial organizations and round table groups over the last 2 centuries which ultimately rose to true globalist power and prominence after the 1914-1945 period. These institutions now have by and large gained control over the world's monetary policy, geopolitical affairs, and most of the world's natural resources in one way or another. I must emphasise that even though an unelected body of a wealthy elite are in control of these institutions at any given time, it is the institutions themselves that need to be dismantled in order to come close to solving the problem.

You should just read my posts, as simplistic as they are. There's a lot of reading involved to get the full picture, and I'm sure you could also watch a good, factual documentary on YouTube, but what with all the NEO hollow/flat earth shape shifting lizard men ruling our planet by drinking the blood of Christian virgins movies related to a global conspiracy moving towards world government, I'm reluctant to suggest that approach.

And Britain bought the south's cotton and sold them arms when their merchant fleets could get through the blockade. Your point?

>america in WW1
>declaring war on germany instantly despite being isolationist and having millions of germans living on your soil
Great idea faggot.

Back in the day the US was one of the least interventionist nations in history. We ONLY fought a war if we were attacked.

Not necessarily, more we never went OVERSEAS unless we were attacked, but post civil-war reconstruction we did go on a mini empire-building splurge when we took control of Spain's colonial holdings at the turn of the century.

We had no problem fighting for conquest on our own continent up until then. The only time it backfired was 1812, when we assumed the dumb hosers to our north would want to kick the British out like we did, but no, the Canadians had a lot of fun giving safe harbour and staging grounds for British regiments as well as arming and organizing Tecumseh's Native Confederation. Then they have the gall to claim that they- the Canadians specifically, burned the Whitehouse and took Detroit from us. Yes, there were Canadian born soldiers in the British regiments fighting us, but thet had the full strength of being armed, funded, and led by the British empire, and the admiral's fleet that marched on D.C. and shelled Philadelphia came from overseas, NOT Canada.

I hope you're happy Canada, you single handedly ruined any chance of great power status by sucking the British off and only politely asking to become a commonwealth state way later on. Now you have trudeau or however you spell that goat rapists' name

Oh, I'm "soorry", in Canada you can rape all the goats you want and it's not rape unless the goat "seems to be in a state of distress".

Lol, i forgot that now you can't even look at a human woman without being brought up on rape charges of some kind, so I guess goats are all you have left.

Looks like this guy got cucked by the BCC at some point. Poor little guy.

No, I've just met a lot of really shitty, whiney, and stuck-up Canadians that seem to always have a chip on their shoulder, specifically people from B.C. and Toronto

In fact, thinking about it I have no idea how people that settled in harsh climates become such total pussies, or worse still, dainified, effeminate AND chinesey

>we should let american boys die because of euros chimping out

ahah

Was this thread a false flag made by an American to make Europeans look stupid?