Why did the State borders in USA end up so much simpler than European borders?

States in one region generally shore more with each other than they do states outside their region.

New England is the fucking poster child for the whole system.

You impose some of MAs shitty fucking laws on NH, and you have a real risk of armed revolt.

On the other hand, we all still think the south is a shithole abd want more socialism than most Midwestern states, but less than the west coast.

>muh dialects

In England, people from Newcastle and people from York have wildly different accents, despite living only 80 miles away from each other, this is the same for nearly every place in Europe, unlike the US, in which you have to travel hundreds, if not thousands of miles to see any distinct change in dialect.

Underrated.

And I literally commit multiple felonies on a regular basis with a ~10 minute drive into the neighboring state. Different states can and do have different cultures.

are you suggesting having different laws is to do with culture?

Are you suggesting that people assigning value to something to that extent that they either outright protect or imprison people over it isn't related to culture?

can you give me an example because this argument is sounding a bit stupid at the moment?

>not like you're culturally different

This might give you a better idea of differing American cultures. While they might not be as apparent today as European cultures, up until the '30s their differences would've been much clearer.

Any time you see long, straight borderlines, it's because the borders were drawn by people who didn't actually live there. It's the same with Africa, where many borders are still the result of an agreement between two colonial powers.

Driving into Massachusetts with firearms in your vehicle WILL see you arrested, charged with felonies, and held for trial, even if you are actively following a federal law that specifically allows for people to travel with firearms that violate a given states laws. Possession of a single round of ammunition can lead to a year in jail. Spent casings are illegal, and if you get caught, jail.

Maine, Vermont, and New Hampshire all border Massachusetts. The three states combined have virtually no firearms laws whatsoever. VT quite literally doesn't have a law to regulate the carry of firearms by adult residents at all.
Shit that is legal in one can get you imprisoned or killed in a bordering state.

Laws spring from culture. To suggest otherwise is fucking retarded. The whole goddamn POINT of state legislatures is to allow people to be governed by laws and lawmakers that reflect the people living in the state.

Central America is flat as fuck so you can divide it arbitrarily (according to who buys what, rather than geographic border). Europe, on the other hand, is decidedly not flat, and also was more concerned with conquest than with buying land, and so its borders were determined by natural boundaries such as mountains and rivers. These things are not straight.

Americans are a simple people

Why does Poland own Kaliningrad oblast?

Hold on, you think everyone within a country in Europe speak the same dialect, or can understand each other?

>not culturally different

Want to know how I know you've never been to or traveled in the US?

>Americans honestly believe one of their states is the same as a separate country

>generalizing and memeing to try and make your point

No one said that we believe each state is like it's own country, HOWEVER to say that each state doesn't have it's own culture, traditions, and customs is extremely ignorant and disingenuous. Just travel from one point to 500 miles to another point and you will often encounter a different social environment.

Fucking yuropoors who have never been to America talking as if they live here. It's the same thing in Russia and China, when you have a large enough country (such as the US) you get differing cultures and customs and dialects.

You'll note that the original colonies had far messier borders, because when under a colonial yoke governers had incetive to try and maximise their borders, growing their resource base in goods and people, states like wyoming were part of the lousianna purchase, and therefore the borders were drawn before settlers got there, states that were organically settled (the ones around the great lake post indepdendence, the original 13 colonies and some of the possesions of other countries (cali and florida) also have more messy borders, because of the incetives to grabbing more land when in a semi autonomous state.

The USA are listed as the 125th or something like that in diversity stop using "diversity" as an excuse for everything

>go to USA
>visit Minnesota, NY, and Miami+The Keys

The cultural differences were comparable to Copenhagen and South or Northern Jutland, a 5-6 hour drive at most. Hell most of the difference I saw was just the fact that south Miami was full of Mexicans or Cubans or whatever. It was still very obvious I was in the same country. If I spend about a day+ to go to

The US has cultural differences within its border, sure, but it's hardly comparable to the clusterfuck you see in Europe.

>compared to the clusterfuck of Europe

Literally no one in this thread has compared America's cultural differences to that if Europe's and if they did, they're retarded. All of my fellow amerifats are saying is, is that there are cultural differences in states that you go to. Yes it's obvious you still are in the same country the entire time, no one is disputing that.

But if you actually dig deep into the local populace of the different states and regions of the US you'd be blind if you didn't see it. Adding to the fact that you said you went to Minnesota, N.Y. and Miami/the keys and you said there was no discernible difference other than race leads me to believe you treated it as a tourist trip and only stayed in the main areas instead of branching out.

I didn't say there wasn't any discernible difference, but that the difference was comparable to Copenhagen in one end of Denmark to Esbjerg or Ballum on the other end. Complete with unintelligible dialects including words not used elsewhere in the country or used in vastly different contexts, different cuisine, inferiority/superiority complexes, differing standards as to when to start fights, and different attitudes and political leanings.

The things I noticed the most of the US was:
>New Yorkers are super proud of being New Yorkers
>People in Minnesota and at least the Keys are relatively down to Earth, but somehow quite different in how they go about it
>People fish a LOT in Minnesota, the lakes and the Mississippi are lined with blacks and poor looking white people catching what I think is dinner
>the Keys have fucking amazing food and surprisingly varied considering it's 90% seafood
>people in Minnesota speak with varying degrees sounding like Fargo
>the US in general is a treasure trove of accents
>road work is for Mexicans and black people, the only white people present is the dude overseeing the whole thing
>except in New York, where it's all Italians

Because America has literally no culture whatsoever so drawing up arbitrary lines was much more simple.

Except NY and Miami are basically the same place now since Miami is nothing but carpetbaggers and browns. Next time you're in FL go to the other coast, maybe around Arcadia. They've got all the culture you would ever want, just don't die.

don't know if anyone has said this yet, but a non-meme answer is because america generally didn't have to fight for control of every bank of every river
also, a lot of the west was unexplored when these borders were made, so it was easier to just draw a straight line and call it a day

This
Literally everyone else itt is retarded

>muh culture
Europeans care way too much about this, especially since they aren't exactly centers of culture anymore

What is center of culture, Bronx?

The Thirteen Colonies, especially New England, are shaped that way due to their colonial history and wars before becoming the USA. The western states were planned out in advance. Additionally, they had to factor in the fact that West Coast Americans would be much less sophisticated and intelligent than East Coast Americans by simplifying the shapes.

Europe's borders went through about 2300 years of war and diplomacy to get to what you see today.

The states were more of made based on resources in the region.

fpbp

You're talking about ethnic "diversity," desu. Southern huwite boys, New England huwite boys, Midwestern huwite boys, and West coast huwite boys are very different when it comes to culture

In europe all land was owned by the monarchies and all those various families who intermatied for power. When the families would leave royal unions or join a royalty the lands they owned would merge or seperate but these properties for the most part had a bit to do with the environment (rivers, mountains, etc. If you look at the borders today most of them are weird because say, one piece of land stayed under rule while others fell to other monarchs, etc (just look at the HRE borders). While the USA was more of a governmental ownership of the lands similarly to how the french reorganized their departments in 1791 where the regions were not according to property of a rich person but according to the population/growth.

not him, but yes

Thomas Jefferson's autism and people following up on it is my favorite explanation

>I don't even understand why America is split up in states
The main idea for the States existence post Articles of Confederation was to provide a balance between power. Nobody wanted all the power to reside in one government, one area, for each area had different wants and needs and would want different laws to be implemented to fit their wants and needs. They literally fucking revolted against a previous rule that had all the power reside in such a fashion. The only reason that the ratification of the Articles of Confederation happened was that it just didn't work effectively as a whole to have the states have complete control over themselves, but it was still a fair idea that states should have the right to dictate some things for themselves.

>its not like you're all culturally different except, maybe Texas.
That is where you are completely wrong. Just because you don't understand what culture actually means doesn't mean that everyone in America is somehow the same. Geological differences can influence culture. One state is farmlands and mountains and the other is warm wet weather and flatlands. Immigration can influence a state's culture as well. Florida can have a lot of Cubans, Dominicans, Mexicans, and Germans immigrate frequently there while New York could have had Irish, Italian, Dominican, English, immigrants. So since one state's culture may be shaped differently than the next they have different wants and needs. For example, the people in California lean more to the left politically than in comparison to the people in Arkansas, so that means the people in California may want X laws implemented and the people in Arkansas may want Y laws. implemented. In these scenarios, it is beneficial that states can have jurisdiction for whatever laws it wants to implement. One state can have what it wants, the other can also have what it wants.

Because Europe has more history behind these borders than the whole existence of the USA

>turkey is in Europe but Russia is not
what?

>its not like you're all culturally different except, maybe Texas.

Pretending that they are the only people in america who did cowboy shit is not unique culture, it's just autism.

Europeans have been fighting each other for every meter of land possible for centuries.

Americans just acquired big chunks and could draw out easy borders.

The USA is just a European country started from scratch so they planned everything better from the outset.

Nice.

They say that because they don't understand the definition of culture. I cringe whenever they do it because all they achieve is confirming the stereotype that we're a bunch of dumb snooty cunts.

t. Europoor

>t. Europoor
You're an Americanised automaton. Don't flatter yourself.

t. europoor
look at a south carolinian and a masshole and tell me they're the same