Can anyone expand on this idea?

Can anyone expand on this idea?
>books to read
>shit to watch/listen to

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_H._Pribram
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bohm
youtube.com/watch?v=e91D5UAz-f4
aeon.co/essays/how-consciousness-works-and-why-we-believe-in-ghosts
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pantheists
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman
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In what possible sense are we created in the image of the Universe?

Are there any religions with a pantheistic god?

YES. thank-you, i was struggling to come up with the words. im fascinated by the idea of it.

Nonsense. Stop posting.

christianity you fucking idiot

>DUDE, what if God is, like, EVERYTHING?

more believable than the prominent religious beliefs that somehow wriggled its way into the modern world.

possibly sufism, hinduism, buddhism can be construed in this way too. Also read Spinoza.

Pantheism is more logical than monotheism imo

Meister Eckhart

but if you share such a meme image you probably don't really have a significant enough background in philosophy or theology to follow. I'm genuinely not knocking you

>that image
Babby's first pantheism

Thanks for sharing some sources, noted them all down for some heavy reading later.
everyone has to start somewhere.

Did you not look at the picture?

Who here Christian -> Deist -> Atheist -> Pantheist?

""""Christian""""" -> atheist -> Deist -> monotheist -> pantheist

Those pictures are all colorized tho outer space doesnt actually look like that

>christianity
>pantheism

Hello i am the demiurge

that internet image macro really made me think

So what? The structures are still similar. Color is pretty irrelevant, it's a narrow band of em spectrum we've evolved to notice.

Look into
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_H._Pribram
and
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bohm
Then look into
youtube.com/watch?v=e91D5UAz-f4
and
aeon.co/essays/how-consciousness-works-and-why-we-believe-in-ghosts

A good introductory work that has issues is The Holographic Universe by Talbot.

I can't recommend Consciousness and the Social Brain by Michael Graziano nearly enough though.

Maybe read Prometheus Rising by Robert Anton Wilson as well.

haha incredible, added to my notes thankyou.
The Holographic Universe sounds like the perfect starting point, Exactly what i was looking for.

Read Spinoza, that's kinda similar to his perception of God.

More believable, and also meaningless.

got 'The Ethics' on my to read list, Spinoza was incredible for his time.

This is one of the dumbest pictures I've ever seen.

Why?

Only a braindead retard would look at superficial similarities between barely accurate pictures of cosmic structures and animal biology (and I mean VERY superficial) and then pretend that there's anything meaningful in it.
>wow some structures are vaguely weblike
>wow some things are symmetric
>wow some things look chaotic on first glance

Die first then think pal

it asks the question. it taps on the surface of some interesting ideas.

The only person I would consider to be a pantheist worth reading would be Spinoza.

Its pretty relevant when you decide to notice inane patterns between completely unrelated things because "the structures are still similar"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia

Christian --> atheist --> igtheist --> agnostic --> pantheist

No, the colors are still pretty irrelevant because you can make a black and white version and it would communicate the same idea. The colors aren't what's making the compared images look similar. And even if what you're arguing now is correct it has nothing to do with the point about colors not mattering.

All is one and one is all

The Universe is contained within God.

Roman Catholic-> Atheist-> Pantheist-> Lutheran-> Roman Catholic-> Orthodox Christian

God is not a sentient being.

We cannot know what God is and isn't unless He reveals Himself to us.

Then it is not the god religious people refer to when they say god.

>dualism
Lol plebs

GOD IS NOT A METAPHOR FOR ANYTHING —THERE IS YOUR "EXPANSION".

Universe refers to what exists. It is definitively uncontained. Either "God" is within it, or it itself.

No.
God exists outside of creation but can interact with it in Christianity

>He
>Himself
>thinking in such a male human-centric way.
SHIGGYDIGGY!

'God' is not a being, and it sure as fuck doesn't have a penis. Idolater.

Natural phenomena have many interesting commonalities. City grids, ant colonies, and galactic superclusters all follow the same emergent behavior. The universe is aware and is using DNA to understand itself subjectively. It's spoopy.

Also empiricists and sciencetists need to die.

I suspect you may do too much acid. However, it may surprise you to learn that pretty much any religious person would agree with you. Christian God is supposed to be omnipresent and omnipotent, so it stands to reason that His universe is Him and that we are created in His image.

this is relevant to your interests

Don't worry, everyone dies eventually.

>Christianity is pantheistic
>you fucking idiot
Oh the ironing

So "created in the image of" means "bears a passing resemblance to in part"?

>The structures are still similar.

What the FUCK are you talking about? Do you mean they're all vaguely round? Do you mean they're all made of matter? If those count as "similar", are there any two things in existence that DON'T count as similar to you?

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the universe is everything, anything in the universe is representive of the whole therefore anything inside the universe is the image of the univerese in one way or another we are the universe as much as the stars and the planets except we can ask questions about ourself and how we exsist as the universe

Impossible. In b4
>HURR GOD CAN DEFY LOGIC!

Not according to Christianity he can't.

So your """argument""" is that because we exist within the Universe, therefore the Universe is God and created us in its image?

Christianity is panentheistic, not pantheistic;

in a way yes, we are an expression of the universe.

Like rocks and dogshit are, you mean? Wow so inspire, much deep mang.

no man, rocks and shit exist outside the universe /sarcasm

But yes, minerals and waste form a part of the natural cycle, as well.

So to clarify, when you say "the Universe is God and created us in its image", what you MEAN is "we exist inside the Universe"? Thanks for the profound insight, you moron.

you literaly are an expression of the universe so is a peice of shit so is your moms smelly vag, if you want it to be deep then w/e if you see it for what it is then cool, god is the universe your an expression of that and are therfore made in the image of god, deal with it

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nice rebutle, there is more than one relgion and more than one view on god, if your view is a big guy with a big beard and white robe than cool for you kid, but my view is a little more realistic and grounded in science and reality btw its called humanities

You "view" is submoronic.
>HURR we exist!
>DURR der is a universe!
>HERP universe mus be god!
>DERP OMG SO PROFOUND DUDE

Stoic Logos

you can trivialize anything with hurrs and durrs it dosnt make you smart my red dit freinds, but do tell us your view id love to hear it

Nigger your position trivializes itself.

[no argument]

I'm glad you admit it.

so you dont actualy have an agument? your just bored? and fishing for replys? literaly a moron

What argument do you imagine I need to refute your
>DUDE WHAT IF, LIKE, THE UNIVERSE IS GOD????

id like to hear your view, because just saying "dude (your opinion) hurr durr) im apposing your opinion without saying anything meaningful hurr durr" is not an agument lets hear your view if its so profound and intelligent, if you cant comprehend what being an expression of the universe means and take it only at face value then your a retard

My view is that your view is meaningless woowoo.
>HURR PROVE ME WRONG

That which is asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe

So like I said, your "evidence" for your moronic claim that the universe is god and created us in its image is "dude, like, the universe exists!"

Moronic.

It's a nice thought, but your brain is essentially a pattern recognition machine, so it's going to make false associations in patterns rather regularly, and in that image's case, is bending over backwards to do so.

That said, there are legitimate pantheistic religions that treat the universe as a god which we are all part of, and the like. It's certainly a common stance among some of the more famous intellectuals in history:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pantheists

you literaly on the universe my man, chill out kiddo
if you want some religious backing for the guy saying we are the universe read the wiki article he linked but here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman you are not really saying anything other than "no you" why dont you put forth somthing? have a porper discussion? your agument consists of this " this can is made of tin" you-" hurr durr tin, saying its tin dosnt actualy make it tin" him-" links the video of the tin being made and or the product of what the tin is made of by the manufacturer" you-"hurr durr tin, tin is a word your a moron claiming a metal is tin dosnt make it tin"

honestly, you're and idiot,

basically there is a general repetitive pattern that most things in the universe follow. throw the Fibonacci sequence at nearly anything and it matches up.

conceptually from the micro to the macro level everything follows a pretty straight forward set of rules (symmetry as per pic) limited by the amount of energy present in the system to do shit with.

on a personal level, this is a personal journey thing. just watch a lifetime of of david attenborough and spend a lot of time staring at the night sky.

general list, kinda in order -

- catastrophe BBC doco with baldrick to see how random it all is
- orbit BBC doco
- walking with dinosaurs / monsters / the rest of them
- how to grow a planet BBC for biosphere balance and triffids
- how the universe works on netflix for a show that is lots more awesome CGI than egghead talking at a camera
- cosmos for babbys first black science guy and where science comes from
- a lifetime of david attenborough nature docos for you and all your future generations
- how big is the universe and how small is the universe BBC documentaries
- phd-tv on youtube. watch their quick hand drawn videos
- go to khan academy and watch the chemistry and organic chemistry videos
- go to youtube and watch "primitive technology" channel to tie it all back in together

you're plugged into the universe. listen to it.

then when you kind of see where you are in the universe and wonder what to do with it all, watch jordan peterson - the necessity of virtue on youtube

"Inside" might be the wrong preposition. And of course when you reduce it to those words, it doesn't sound profound. But so what? Profundity is an illusion.

And what's wrong with that? Your greentexting as if OP were a 15 year-old stoner (quite contrary to his argumentation) is supposed to prove what, exactly?

Posit something yourself or fuck off.

I wonder if there are structures in space that look like a human anus?

Islam
or atleast I believe in a pantheistic Allah

I believe this.
would explain how he's omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient and omnibenevolent

i don't think it's a metaphor at all, I believe God actually is an Infinite Singularity. think about it.

the universe is infinitely powerful because it controls itself, it is everywhere because nothing is outside it, it is infinitely knowing because it's self aware meaning that it's intelligent and probably has developed some sort of character with whom it interacts with humanity.

"but user he's not good"
define good. good could be stability and maintaining order in the reality he's created. why would a God disrupt the illusion of reality he's created btw? that makes no sense. that's why we don't hear from him, he truly wants to challenge us into becoming ultra woke

is god the universe? no he's much more, he's the fabric of reality meaning that he can bend reality into whatever he wants.

think about it, there can't be infinite regress. something must've set it all in motion.

wether god is a floating man in space, or if he doesnt exist isn't feasible. he's the infinite singularity. that's why there aren't any other gods. because tehre can be only one everything.

anyways the big question is what role we play.
i always think about how heat death and pre-big bang times are oddly the same.
we're close to achieving A.I. superintelligence and we're only a few thousand years into existence. there's a fuckton of years left before heat death.
could our existence just be God's rebirth?

anyways, I am convinced that God exists and that he's Allah because Allah can be pantheistic according to the scriptures and because his ways are so similar to how the universe operates.

the fact that abrahamistic religions, especially islam, are so extraordinary and never leave tracks behind and everything just fits into eachother is too much coincidence.

if Islam was a false religion it would've died out like paganism

It would've died during the Islamic golden age, as would Christians during the renaissance.

the fact that they still are here in modern times means they are exceptional

but He is a character

Muslim -> Theist leaning agnost -> Muslim pantheist

the main reason people turn agnostic is because they refute the believe in a floating astronaut who controls everything, but believe in a higher power

he's that higher power, driving force
and he's also sentient. he's a character and he's interacted with us before.

There's a reason why it's called a black hole, son

oh wow never heard of panentheism.
im not pantheistic but panentheistic.

woops

those religious people do not think for themselves.

blind followers with a tunnel vision. who thinks about God will often become agnostic and when they think a bit more they will become believers again as pantheists or panentheists.

anything is meaningless. welcome to nihilism.

How is the Orthodox Church worse than Lutheranism?

>pantheistic Allah
Bid'ah Say'iah, you will go straight to hell.

ever heard of islamic philosophy? it's thought in high school

also: i meant panentheistic
and islam clearly says that giving Allah anthropomorphic characteristics is haram and shirk which is in his eyes, irreparable.

yes i will go to hell but not for this reason

I thought only ORDOBROS :DDD actually took up that panentheism thing seriously.

Afaik Sikhism is fundamentally pantheistic.

Post yfw you realize we all live in the eye of a giant named Yu Nivers
>pic related

Thomas Campbell


MyBigToe

>he's also sentient
Proofs?

not universe, reality