What if PLC survived until Napoleon?

What if PLC survived until Napoleon?

probably only as a meme buffer state

>plc
>survive

The only way for PLC to survive would be if Sigismund III Vasa wouldn't fuck up the situation with Russian throne.

Maybe making whole country Greek-Catholic would help too, because there would be no religious conflict, and both Ruthenian and Ukrainian people would be happy (Greek rites) and the Pope would have no reason to complain (nominal control over Orthodox church).

Anyway, the only way for PLC to live is through crushing Moscow when it had a chance.

thats a vague assumption
>how did they survive?
>what circumstances exist now that they survived?
>what kind of ruler or government would be running the country?

the PLC was doomed when they couldn't form any meaningful alliances and was continually invaded by their neighbors in all cardinal directions, no matter how strong they were they simply would not have the manpower to continually war on all fronts. if by some chance they managed to drag on until nappy, the grand armee would just roll in and grind down the tired and weakened PLC armies assuming that the PLC had an equally skilled commander compared to Napoleon himself. they are were a doomed nation, just like the Wallachia, the Byzantines, and Ming (read: Meme) dynasty.

Great insight.

>Ruthenian and Ukrainian
You mean Ruthenian and Belarusian? Ukrainians are Ruthenians. Unless you meant White Ruthenia, but even then the people were almost never referred to as Ruthenians.

That said, the real trick would've been to never invited a Swedish King in the first place, avoiding that whole Swedish Deluge business.

I meant if the 3rd partition didn't happen before Napoleon. And why would he attack the. PLC if he could just use it for his war against Russia like he did with the Duchy of Warsaw that he created.

Bum

>Maybe making whole country Greek-Catholic would help too
That's what they tried in real life. Greek-Catholics were despised by both Catholic and Greek Orthodox in the result.

>Anyway, the only way for PLC to live is through crushing Moscow when it had a chance.
They crushed and occupied Moscow, but lost to Russia.

The Duchy of Warsaw cost him his marriage to the Russian royal family, and thus ended up destroying him.
Worst idea he ever had, and single handedly ended French dominance of Europe.

It was already Russia at this point.

It would probably end up in peasants (and probably lesser nobles and townsfolk) chimping out on magnateria and Napoleon would have to occup it and not making it meme client state.

>Maybe making whole country Greek-Catholic would help too, because there would be no religious conflict, and both Ruthenian and Ukrainian people would be happy (Greek rites) and the Pope would have no reason to complain (nominal control over Orthodox church).
Greek-Catholicism fuck over PLC big time. Before union ruthenian nobles (and thus peasants since they never really had autonomy on polish level) were converting straight to Latin rite and Orthodoxy was in a big slumber. If Sigumnd was a bit more patient there would be no Orthodoxy up to Smolensk in 1600s. Maybe even in the whole of Russia. But he fucked up like it always happen when state try to get into church affirs.

Why do you ask Veeky Forums? No one here actually knows anything about it, yet they shitpost.

Because the PLC would attack Napoleon first like literally every big european monarchy did.

Can some1 provide me some introductory books regarding the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth?

History of Poland by Koneczny. Hard to get but glorious to read.

gods playground

Poland: An Historical Sketch : Graf von Helmuth Moltke

Helmuth Graf von Moltke you illiterate slav

Are you on period? I copied it from google.

No way they could survive after the GNW.

Why?

Nugga

I would say that the problem wasn't with Sigismund being Swedish (his mother was Jagiellon, which was why he was chosen), but the fact that he were so much of an idiot when it comes to political decisions.
>Kept using title of King of Sweden, despite no longer being one, which led to Deluge
>Decided against letting his son become Czar of Russia and becoming Orthodox, just because he himself were hard Catholic and he quite wanted that title for himself
He fucked up.

Then again, another mistake was when Jagiellon king (not sure if Sigismund the Old or Sigismund August) had Teutons dismantling their Order, becoming Protestant, and turning Prussia to Duchy that became Polish vassals.
If anything, they should get the Hohenzollern arrested and killed or exiled, given that the deal about Teutons having that land under their rule was through treaty with Kingdom of Poland, and "Duchy of Prussia" was neither Teutonic Order nor Catholic, so had no right to rule those lands anymore.