Did Pachacuti do more good or bad for Chile?

he advocated to destruction of "evil" public services for private profit.

he advocated for the destruction of "evil" public services for private profit.

How is that wrong? Privatisation where it's done properly works really well.

For Jew

>sell your country to the jews
>it gets better

I thought they were supposed to suck the culture and wealth of its people dry

Where'd you meet her, user?

Why don't you have private property user? Are you some kind of beta?

Break up with her asap.

Nou

Good
He killed the gommies and make the economy the best in south america

>This is what the suburban gringo actually believes

A pub. She's a student.

Lol no you dumb /pol/fuck

He killed innocent people and sold our country to JEWSA

>it gets better

For the multinationals maybe, but the public services in chile sucks.

Yes man, I like all my public services privatised, trust my life to the market invisible hand, so I can feel like a perfect stranger in my own country, jackass.

>public services

Welp

wtf are you on about bro?

> Chile today is a country that looks to the future with hope
>delusional spics actually believe this

>actually waving the flag of the ussr in 2017
even commies won't touch that one with a ten foot pole

Ayn Rand and Milton Friedman are the names you're looking for.
Given the rarity of it I'd be suspicious that a chick like that has mental issues.

Out of all arguments commies could make against Pinochet, the worst one is the "he sold his country!"

There isn't a single left-wing political movement in Latin America that hasn't sold his country to Cuba when it got the chance. It's not surprising, much of the modern Latin American left is a creation of the Cuban intelligence service, specially Manuel Piñeiro and his Americas Department. Contemporary Venezuela and Nicaragua during the 1980s are considered the worst in this regard, but even Brazil during Worker's Party management sent hundreds of millions of dollars to Cuba for little gain because of "muh Latin American solidarity".

Chile under Allende had Cuban agents organizing the security of the President and helping create the urban guerrillas such as the MIR that were being prepared to take power after Allende.

What is selling a few state-owned enterprised to American companies compared to this level of interference and sovereignty loss?

>If you want good public services you are a commie.

Why americans are so selfcucked?

Not sure what communists you've been talking to. Maybe anarchists or salty Trotskyists. The hammer and sickle symbol has been used by many other socialists/ communists, not only the Soviets.

It's a symbol of murder and violent subjugation. I judge anyone flying it the same as I would judge someone flying a swastika.

It means your gf likes shitty writers.

I view it as a symbol of worker class power both industrial and agricultural.

The USSR was the first attempt at a socialist state. Both it's failures and successes should be learned from.

>Both it's failures and successes should be learned from.

And what were precisely those lessons to be learned?

because america has been trained to obey and defend corporations

>he sold his country
Not even defending him, but he didn't. That was the left wing presidents that came from the 90' onwards.
t. Actual Chilean.

The guy you quoted is a moron, but you too. Read some history kid.

>being this blinded by your own political views.
If you don't think that communist and nazis are fucking idiots, then you are a fucking idiot.

Russia is a terrible place for it to have started because its geopolitical position has always been fucking terrible and forced the Russians to blob like mad to protect itself.

t. Useful idiot

Yes. it had would be better if the revolution had started in one of the most developed capitalist countries like marx had predicted... oh wait.

>judge people by their true merit
>judge
wow, bigot much? Are you implying there are objective by which we should judge people? Are you implying some people are better than others? Wtf, it's 2017 we're all equal.

...

Pinochet was nothing more than a vicious dog in service of multinationals and an aggresive free market. He's Macron with a machine gun, hardly an entertaining thought

This,
>Inb4 leftist and liberal sperging about muh democracy when he was elected dictator by Parliament

>Letting international corporations owe and use your national resources is equivalent to diplomatic relations with Cuba
Especially when that country is the one of thee few that can withstand American interferrence

Did you miss the party where he said that Cubans we're arming militias to have a forceful Marxist coup of the government after Allende. Allende was not demsoc, he was a hardcore Marxist.

I'm glad he offed himself with his own 7.62 t b h

>the unique argument is "if you want better services you have to nationalize them"
>you are trained to defend companies!
Is this a bait thread, or are these people actually european?

You mean the part where the MIR feared a coup would happen under Allende and was proven right? No

He caused his political opponents to be raped and horribly tortured for God?
Hmm... strange God, that.
Let's see what this God wants...
>One torture method which was very commonly used was the "grill" or "La Parrilla." In this torture, electricity was fed from a standard wall outlet through a control box into two wires each terminating in electrodes. The control box gave the torturers the option of adjusting the voltage being administered to the prisoner. The naked prisoner was stretched out and strapped onto a metal bedframe, or a set of bedsprings, and tied down. He or she was subjected to electrical shocks on several parts of the body, especially on sensitive areas like the genitals and on open wounds. The Valech Report includes a testimony of a Chilean man who was interrogated by prison captors. They took off his clothes and "attached electrodes to his chest and testicles. They put something in his mouth so he would "bite his tongue while they shocked him."[33] In another method, one of the wires would be fixed to the prisoner (typically to the victim's genitalia) while another wire could be applied to other parts of the body. This caused an electric current to pass through the victim's body, with a strength inversely proportional to the distance between the two electrodes. A smaller distance between the electrodes led to a stronger current and thus more intense pain for the prisoner. A particularly barbaric version of the "grill" was the use of a metal bunk bed; the victim was placed on the bottom bunk and on the top bunk, a relative or friend was simultaneously tortured.
Oh, shit. Hmm. I don't know about this God.

Let's look at something else...
>Pinochet's regime carried out many gruesome and horrific acts of sexual abuse against the victims. In fact, several detention sites were solely instituted for the purpose of sexually tormenting and humiliating the prisoners. Discothèque (La Venda Sexy) was another one of DINA's main secret detention centers. Many of those who "disappeared" were initially held in this prison. The prison guards often raped both men and women. It was at this prison where internal repression operations were centralized. Militants anally raped male prisoners, while insulting them, in an attempt to embarrass them to their core.[39]
>Women were the primary targets of gruesome acts of sexual abuse. According to the Valech Commission, almost every single female prisoner was a victim of repeated rape. Not only would military men rape women, they would also use foreign objects and even animals to inflict more pain and suffering. Women (and occasionally men) reported that spiders and live rats were often implanted on their genitals. One woman testified that she had been "raped and sexually assaulted with trained dogs and with live rats." She was forced to have sex with her father and brother—who were also detained.[40]
Hmm

>only 3k commies executed and 27k tortured during his reign
k/d nothing to write home about sadly

Kiind of agree but
>Fewer kids dead of starvation

According to people involved, such as Andres Pascal Allende, the MIR wasn't being armed because it feared a coup, but because it wanted to prepare a coup itself.

They didn't feared a right-wing coup, which is why they were catched up unaware when it actually happened and were so easily crushed.

The natural consequence of communism:

holodomorct.org/accounts.html

Wealthy peasants were exiled into Siberia even before Holodomor during the “collectivization”. Communists came, collected everything. Children were crying beaten for that with the boots. It is terrifying to recall what happened. It was so dreadful that every day became engraved in my memory. People were lying everywhere as dead flies. The stench was awful. Many of our neighbors and acquaintances from our street died.

I have no idea how I managed to survive and stay alive. In 1933 we tried to survive the best we could. We collected grass, goose-foot, burdocks, rotten potatoes and made pancakes, soups from putrid beans or nettles.

Collected gley from the trees and ate it, ate sparrows, pigeons, cats, dead and live dogs. When there was still cattle, it was eaten first, then - the domestic animals. Some were eating their own children, I would have never been able to eat my child. One of our neighbours came home when her husband, suffering from severe starvation ate their own baby-daughter. This woman went crazy.

People were drinking a lot of water to fill stomachs, that is why the bellies and legs were swollen, the skin was swelling from the water as well. At that time the punishment for a stolen handful of grain was 5 years of prison. One was not allowed to go into the fields, the sparrows were pecking grain, though people were not allowed."

See also, Venezuela today, Mao's China, DPRK.

Chile sounds awful

>all these buttblasted /leftypol/ cucks

Good post

No doubt difficult decisions had to be taken, unsavoury acts carried out to prevent the far greater tragedy of a communist takeover.

Do you want to mention the torture and murder carried out by the Soviet Union, Mao's China, Cuba, DPRK, Nazi Germany etc? The violence and mass famine?

What Pinochet did in contrast was limited and proportionate, and successful in preventing a humanitarian disaster.

>pretending the 1982 crisis was purely the result of exogenous factors, even though Chile was far more affected than any other country in the continent due to Pinochet's incompetence, a fact widely attested by economists
>not knowing the Christian Democrats were part of the center-left Concertacion coalition, along with the Socialist Party and social-democrats, and were never part of the conservative coalition
>"Nobody has yet reformed the economy", even though there were profound changes in monetary policy, fiscal policy, the role of the public sector and social programs since the return of democracy
>taking credit for growth under center-left Concertacion governments

lol

>he believes Plan Z was real

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*breathes in*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

does anyone have that Pinochet meme with Hitler being put in the helicopter because of NationalSOCIALSIM?

he stole public money (6 million dollars) and was actually condemned by a judge
also there was something about him and bolivian dictators sending cocaine to the USA

Because ancaps and some poltards are autistic enough to believe Pinochet was a fascist when he just was an american puppet dictator.

>/pol/tards think he was fascist
You've clearly never lurked on /pol/ lmao. He is an ancap's wet dream, not a fascist's.

I said some of them but not all

>He thinks communist militias
>In South America
>Arming themselves is false when Cubans actually did infiltrate Chile after Allende opened relations
>Just like how Cuba did that EVERYWHERE around Latin America and South America

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This

>Pachacuti

Who's That Pokemon?

There was no leftist coup in the making, it was literally made up by Pinochet to justify his dictatorship (the so-called Plan Z). This is universally agreed by historians.

This is Veeky Forums, faggot, perhaps may be more of your liking.

Fuck off, pedo

>There was no leftist coup in the making

Because lefties like revolutions not coups

Called whatever you want, you dumb nigger, there was no planned armed takeover by leftist forces.

Getting rid of filth is always positive.

>There was no coup
That's a weird way to spell there was a building revolution being aided in by Cuba. Because Cuba did that all the goddamn time and opening relations with Cuba is a major red flag

>There was no plan
*Definitely was a plan as you had leftist politicians call for an armed conflict

It means your fucking a mentally chalenged individual

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But Americanization/Free market capitalism do suck out the culture of the people

>forced to have sex with her father and brother
>using animals

That is Cheka-tier brutality you stupid faggot. It wasn't justified, Pinochet could have just made a coup d'etat, supress leftist (killing some in the course since accidents happen) and then restoring democracy. There wasn't need to kill that many people who just opposed his dictatorship.

>>/int/
>Unironically thinks that Allende was demsoc
Lmao

>Pachacuti
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pachacuti#In_popular_culture

If Pinochet's gang had the strength to do what they did, then they also almost certainly had the strength to just put their political opponents in prison for a while and not use sadistic torture and rape against them.

>le Cuban conspiracy
*tips revisionism*

t. PragerU sycophant who listens to Yuri Bezmenov

*revisionism intensifies*

>Allende was literally Stalin
If Lenin's Cheka had killed fewer people, you'd still paint them as 100x worse than Pinochet, and you know it.

>memezuela
>socialist

>revisionism

more like heresy, amirite?

fpbp

If Chavez had been deposed in 2002, people would also be saying that attempts by Cuba into making Venezuela a virtual colony were just conspiracy theories.

Just look how the whole thing turned out.

>Argentina
>ERP and not Montoneros

The Montoneros was one of the most impressive political-military apparatus ever built in the Western world. It was like Hezbollah in Lebanon, a mixture of political organization with military forces, financed by shady business like kidnapping and drug trafficking.

Videla did nothing wrong.

The dictatorship saved the country from communism.

>Selling country yo Cuba
>Cuban agents
Imagine being so butthurt about communism that you think that a small irrelevant caribbean shithole is some sort of neo-KGB on steroids

Imagine knowing so little about Latin American history (or only knowing left-wing propaganda) that you actually believe Cuba is just another small irrelevant Caribbean shithole instead of being the last country in the world with an intelligence service trained both by the KGB and the Stasi, and that not even the CIA has ever managed to infiltrate.

I mean, they even use the same techniques as the USSR still.

edition.cnn.com/2017/08/09/politics/us-cuba-acoustic-attack-embassy/index.html

Same methods have been used by the Russians in the past, it is probably a eavesdropping device.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3509929/

eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1274748

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device)

Now if you think a country with a secret service competent enough to mess with the U.S. and infiltrate the U.S. government (see Ana Montes and Kendall Myers) what do you imagine they can do to sympathetic left-wing governments in Latin America with hilariously shitty intelligence services?

Don't bother. It's probably a united statian subhuman.

She sounds like a keeper