You do realize that Txs will soon be over $100/ea on BTC, right? And instead of...

Methnerd
Methnerd

You do realize that Txs will soon be over $100/ea on BTC, right? And instead of supporting a completely sensible blocksize increase, Core actually wants to make it MORE expensive to transact?

Other urls found in this thread:

steemit.com/bitcoin/@hitlerdoge/most-economically-efficient-withdrawals-from-bittrex
bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1965336.0
twitter.com/jrbhudon/status/903439675360067584
reddit.com/r/btc/comments/47zfzt/blockstream_is_now_controlled_by_the_bilderberg/
medium.com/@jonaldfyookball/mathematical-proof-that-the-lightning-network-cannot-be-a-decentralized-bitcoin-scaling-solution-1b8147650800
medium.com/@jonaldfyookball/continued-discussion-on-why-lightning-network-cannot-scale-883c17b2ef5b
reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6wsrfr/be_vigilant_bcore_will_create_chaos_but_this_is_a/
bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
medium.com/@laurentmt/when-moby-dick-meets-the-terminator-d014c315af85
reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/6rxw7k/informative_btc_vs_bch_articles/dl8v4lp/

Emberfire
Emberfire

fuckem

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

t. measuring transaction fees in fiat

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Fake news

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Fee I pay for transfers is .001 BTC not .01BTC, why do you pay so much?

Illusionz
Illusionz

Some dude timed BTC transactios with sub $1 fees and they were quick enough. This shit is a store of value and not a regularly-transacted coin.

If you want regular TX then you should be using DGB / PIVX / ETH / etc.

If you want to buy a mcfatburger with gold there are a few intermediate steps. Crypto just streamlines those intermediate steps, but you'll still have a difficult time buying the mcfatburger with gold.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Cope

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

this is why Ethereum will win decisively within 5 years

the utility of crypto is fundamentally related to transaction speed. why own a slow asset that's expensive to move when you can own the same amount of a fast asset that costs almost nothing to move?

the network effect is going to favor the coin with the highest speeds and greatest utility in the end

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

store of value
magic internet money

pick one

Playboyize
Playboyize

the network effect is going to favor the coin with the highest speeds and greatest utility in the end

Methnerd
Methnerd

same shit as bonds, magic paper money issued by countries.

the only thing that gives bonds value is the trust people have in them. do you trust the blockchain code and it's transparency and ability to survive?

likme
likme

.001 BTC is $5, that's on the low end, will swing back up to 15 and if crypto grows and 1mb block limit stays, yes it will be hundreds easily, eventually it will be a 4 digit number.

Try BCC, send it in 5 minutes for 5 cents.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Segwit fees are 30 cents or so. The transactions are only based on what people are willing to pay. I doubt people will ever pay $100 each transaction.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

They'll have to choose between that and say a $500 of $1k subscription fee to the LN.

Or send BCC for a nickle.

Booteefool
Booteefool

I trust the Fed more then I trust theymos and his Jew lizardmen

At least the Feds tell you they are gonna fuck you

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Why the fuck do you idiots keep pushing BCC? There are hundreds of coins with lower fees. Send it through literally anything else. Monero. Fucking Digibyte.

Fuck your cash horseshit. If it's tech you're worried about there are better options. Sell your fucking bags moron. Bitcoin is about brand name and store of value. That's all.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

they were paying $15 last friday

the monero blockchain is too bloated, and no one uses digibyte

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

I did it the othet day at $2 and it took THIRTY EIGHT FUCKING HOURS

Store of value is a fucking meme shilled by bitcoin maximalists that know btc is dying and has no chance of revival.

Snarelure
Snarelure

LN won't have subscription fees.

Fake news.

RumChicken
RumChicken

post the transaction.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

well, there in lies the difference. i trust cold hard code over governments.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

I don't believe you
Really nigga? Google "24 hours transaction bitcoin" and use dates after the Segwit activation
Hundreds of results of people waiting over an entire day and night for transfers

whereismyname
whereismyname

Yes it will. Luke-jr said so.

Supergrass
Supergrass

Bitcoin was never made to be a store of value, it was made as a CURRENCY.

Digibyte= hyperinflation shitcoin

Monero= one of th only coins with long term promise but it isn't a smooth currency to buy a beer with.

BCC offers what Bitoin offered, that's why I push it. Why does your asshole hurt so bad, were you watching the altcoins eat BTC's marketshare?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

so you expect people to open Txs on the btc blockchain (which will cost hundreds of dollars) and also run a node for other users out of the goodness of their hearts?

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

You can't be a store of value without being a medium of exchange. Gold is a SOV because it is a MOE!

Booteefool
Booteefool

you made a claim that can easily be verified. post the transaction. it's not difficult.

cum2soon
cum2soon

Electronic CASH System. Not Electronic STOREOF VALUE System. Read Bitcoin's wipepaper you core shills

Playboyize
Playboyize

that's not what i asked for.

Snarelure
Snarelure

goo (remove) .gl (remove) / (remove) XhefR6

Flameblow
Flameblow

I'm at work on my phone, sorry user
If you like I can bookmark this thread and when I get home in two hours show you on block chain Explorer

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

that's not who you were replying to

I was just showing you that if the average tx price is $9, then the mempool isn't going to be clearing $2 fees for a long time

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

so since bitcoin is going to uranus, might as well get some right? well fuck if you can't buy you can get some tiny tiny amounts for free:

goo. (remove) gl (remove) /XhefR6

Nojokur
Nojokur

lol
luke jr himself: In the short term, Lightning should reduce on-chain fees significantly.

Essentially they become subscription fees to use Bitcoin, rather than per-transaction fees.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Use ltc or dogecoin than faggot. Anything is better then bcash shit

happy_sad
happy_sad

Cashcucks are so dishonest. The fees are just to open the transaction channel. Bitcoin Cash will have Lightning Network too, btw.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Is it a good time to sell all bitcoins for something else? Ethereum? Bitcoin cash? Or is it best to wait until after the next fork?

askme
askme

bottom line is part of the quote too
" In the short term, Lightning should reduce on-chain fees significantly. Essentially they become subscription fees to use Bitcoin, rather than per-transaction fees."

Why do you think people wil bother with this? Once they realize whats going on, they'll send BCC for a nickle.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

and to run the node, of course. you think people are going to run them for free?

If BCH gets lightning, then that's great. At least it won't have segshit and we won't be forced to use LN because on-chain Tx is artificially crippled

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

you think people are going to run them for free?

No shit. Nobody does nothing for free. If it wasn't for LN we would just have to pay the miners instead.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

You clearly have no understanding of basic software architecture principles.

When you have a scaling problem, you don't implement a hack (block size increase) to temporarily relieve the burden until some point a finite period of time in the future. The problem is not actually solved and you now have to support that hack forever in all future versions of the code

The superior solution, even if it takes longer, is to find an indefinitely scalable solution.

Please learn what the fuck you're talking about before you talk. Block size increase is not "sensible" it's short sighted. Some of us are in it for the long haul buddy, not a few months or years.

Go support your centralized China cuck coin if you want.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

lying kike calls me a liar
You're talkng out of your ass, kike. BCC will not have LN nor (((Segwit))) nor will they have a need for either, they already raised their locks to 8MB and agree with the plan to raise it as needed to 32MB at least.

If the fees were only a one time fee, they wouldnt be subscription fees.

You blockstream cucks are getting BTFO all day here and still no valid point, you just keep lying and digging a deeper hole. It won't work, jew. The BTC demographic aren't that stupid.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Bitcoin was never made to be a store of value, it was made as a CURRENCY.
It doesn't matter

Supergrass
Supergrass

When you have a scaling problem, you don't implement a hack

that's literally segwit

Once the witness signatures are no longer stored in the blocks, bitcoin is no longer bitcoin

And there is no problem with decreasing the blocksize in the future if the miners want to, it would just be a soft fork.

Booteefool
Booteefool

but it is a currency, for buying shit coins

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

they want to make bitcoin the real gold.

How that matters if we can process BTC tx over the LTC network with only a few cents ( Lightning atomic cross chain )

5mileys
5mileys

Get rekt BitCH nigger

likme
likme

When you have a scaling problem, you don't implement a hack (block size increase) to temporarily relieve the burden until some point a finite period of time in the future. The problem is not actually solved and you now have to support that hack forever in all future versions of the code
Yes you do, this was Satoshi's exact solution for scaling and he wrote it in the whitepaper.

You're the one who should learn what you're talking about, you can start with the white paper find it on bitcoin dot com.

The scaling "problem" is completely (((manufactured))). And it isn't a problem for the bankers you're shilling for, it's a way to take our money and centralize our coin.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

because a lightning node is centralized

Emberburn
Emberburn

Ofc it matters, that was the ENTIRE POINT OF Bitcoin to begin with and the only reason for its success. Peer-to-peer tx's is a world changer.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Related
steemit.com/bitcoin/@hitlerdoge/most-economically-efficient-withdrawals-from-bittrex

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

You can't have a world wide currency without a little bit of centralization.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

You do realize that Txs will soon be over $100/ea on BTC, right? And instead of supporting a completely sensible blocksize increase, Core actually wants to make it MORE expensive to transact?
Well yeah, when they're going to be getting rich from collecting fees. And they think they are going to pump the price even higher by motivating people to not sell while transaction fees are so high.

eGremlin
eGremlin

coreshills keep arguing that we need small blocks to allow every layperson to run a full node
ISP bandwidth caps already kill this dream even with 1 meg blocks

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

This is the face of a cult member.

Won't listen to reason, can't listen to reason, and too brainwashed to leave even as they're walking into their own demise.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Sounds like people who maintain their faith in BTC, stronger and more intense the more it gets jewed. It's become the opposite of Bitcoin.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

But fees are now lower than ever.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

kek

RumChicken
RumChicken

you absolutely can, that's what bitcoin was made to do and why it became popular.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

brainlet, we measure bitcoin in fiat so its only logical we do the same with the transactions.

Skullbone
Skullbone

All in on IOTA then?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1965336.0
No.

idontknow
idontknow

Bitcoin has name recognition and ubiquitous merchant support that nothing else ever will.

It's far too late for all the other shitcoins to have a chance, no matter their merits.

Just like no one would ever switch to a superior facebook alternative, no one will ever switch to your shitcoins either no matter how loudly you autistically screech.

First mover advantage and network effects BTFO every competitor.

To normies, if it's not Bitcoin, it's just a shitcoin. This will always be the ground truth for them, and their adoption is what decides the winner.

This race was over before it began

eGremlin
eGremlin

All the biggest commication channels for bitcoin is owned by one dude, theymos.

on /r/bitcoin youll get banned if you post a satoshi quote that doesn't support the narrative. Bitcoin is taken over by the jews.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Everyone bow down to our new jewish overlords. Embrace infinite btc gains, LN and high fees.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

This is the third time I've seen an r/btc cult member use the word "narrative" here.

It's a fucking stupid word. It just means "story".

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

It's far too late for all the other shitcoins to have a chance, no matter their merits.
This race was over before it began

t. Bitcoin bag holder. Please stop shilling.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

ATH
Hurr dur bagholder

How's that retarded inflation rate working for you?

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

win??? do you have the memory of a tiny monkey brain that you completely forget about the congestions of eth network that happened so many times now. that shit is definitely not ready for public use

DeathDog
DeathDog

apologize

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

when you cant respond to what they said because they're right, so you make something up that no one cares about and try to sound convincing
everything blockstream posts

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

What is POS
What is plasma

Vitalik himself said that Ethereums scaling sucks (even though it's still 2x better than btc even at this time), and they're actually working on solving the problem.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

i don't have any real argument to refute what your saying so i'll call you a bagholder!

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

I know and I didn't say it won't fix its issues.

when though? when exactly is the monkey skeleton gonna do it

Emberfire
Emberfire

there's nothing to refute, he summarized your whole post in a sentence

I swear you guys at core think everyone's retarded

TechHater
TechHater

Sounds like im spot on. Besides, all arguments involving "never", "ever", "every", and "always" is bound to be shit. :^)

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

so increase it to 4mb

.....

Nojokur
Nojokur

Is this what debating has devolved into?
X will occur because of y, z...
hurr duuuuuurrrr nope ur just a le BAGHOLDER

Yup, you sure won this round!

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Everything that isn't Bitcoin has an insurmountable branding issue: It isn't Bitcoin. Nothing can ever topple it. I'm not saying that I like that this is how the world works, but it is.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

I fucking hate core cucks so fucking much they're so fucking stupid it blows my mind. Reminds me of pol vs reddit

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

You clearly have no understanding of basic software architecture principles.

When you have a scaling problem, you don't implement a hack (((segwit))) to temporarily relieve the burden until some point a finite period of time in the future. The problem is not actually solved and you now have to support that hack forever in all future versions of the code

The superior solution, which is immediately effective, doesn't take years to implement, and is indefinitely scalable, is larger blocks, which is how bitcoin was designed in the first place, as block size is arbitrary and can be increased whenever necessary.

Please learn what the fuck you're talking about before you talk. Segwit is not "sensible" it's short sighted. Some of us are in it for the long haul buddy, not a few months or years.

Go support your Rothschild centralized jew coin if you want.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

ok baby, I'll get some :^"
pic related
teheee heee

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

You do realize that Txs will soon be over $100/ea on BTC, right?
No they won't, fuck off Pajeet

TreeEater
TreeEater

LMAO fucking astroturfer lying faggot, kys.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

I did. You cant even state what "X" is and its relation to Y and Z.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

then why has bitcoin lot more than half its market to altcoins? How is it that XMR and LTC are outgaining it consistently? Even ETH tends to gain a little more lately when they both go up.'

Listening corefags argue is like going back to third grade.

Evilember
Evilember

POS
bad idea
plasma
it will take years to implement plasm, whereas the Bitcoin LN is in testnet and almost ready to deploy

JunkTop
JunkTop

You blockstream cucks are getting BTFO
Yeah my BTC is going to the moon, I feel totally BTFO lmao
muh jews
how to spot a nigger kike with no arguments lmao
b-b-b-ut muh Big Black Blocks
cuck

King_Martha
King_Martha

Once the witness signatures are no longer stored in the blocks
stop reading r/btc, that is a misrepresentation of how Segwit works
And there is no problem with decreasing the blocksize in the future if the miners want to,
if the miners want to
Right, and how is your shitcoin decentralized and censorship resistant if one single pool owner in China decides and enforces consensus rules? You fucking cuck faggot

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

your BTC is slow and expensive, and my monero is outgaining you every step of the way.

Bidwell
Bidwell

the LN is literally many times more decentralized than the first layer by design you fucking ignorant Pajeet

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Monero isn't scalable at all you ignorant moron. There are a lot of features for fungibility that will be implemented in Bitcoin, which can only be implemented after Segwit (coincidence that chinks and kikes attack the intermediary update necessary for future fungibility features? I think not)

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

he doesn't realize miners are incentivized to do as many transactions as fast as possible on chain
he doesn't realize kikestream is incentivized to force the transactions offchain
It's really that fucking simple you kike

Flameblow
Flameblow

bold faced lie like everything from (((blockstream)))

LN is a closed ledger third party channel.

JunkTop
JunkTop

then why has bitcoin lot more than half its market to altcoins?
because most of the new money is speculative in nature, and therefore they will devote part of their portfolio to speculate on altcoins rather than let it sit on Bitcoin and get x3 per year instead of potentially 20x per year.
Also more players = more diversified interests and niches opening up.

bold faced lie
it isn't. Look up some of the words in this tweet:
twitter.com/jrbhudon/status/903439675360067584
LN is a closed ledger third party channel.
repeating it over and over like the brainless cuck you are won't make it true

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

neither is bitcoin you ignorant moron, and you're losing every day. But unlike LN BTC, Monero has a unique function.

All of BTC's new features are scams to get around the whitepaper's solution to scaling (INCREASING BLOCKSIZE) and take people's money.

You're fixing soething because that isn't broken. To pressure people to subscrbe to LN but making per-tx fees too high and shitty. So you can take people's money.

Bitcoin is shitcoin.
reddit.com/r/btc/comments/47zfzt/blockstream_is_now_controlled_by_the_bilderberg/

w8t4u
w8t4u

bullshit. I paid .50c for a transaction today and it went through eventually no worries.

likme
likme

Why the fuck do you idiots keep pushing BCC?

because its the original bitcoin you moron
as intended by satoshi nakamoto himself in his whitepaper
unlike (((bitcoin))) which got hijacked by banks and now has a bunch of useless shit stacked on top to cripple its growth and extract more money from users

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

because most of the new money is speculative in nature
It's because it costs $15 to send BTC and a full day to get there.

LN iss off the bockchain on a third party privte channel this isn't even debatable.

It won't even work
medium.com/@jonaldfyookball/mathematical-proof-that-the-lightning-network-cannot-be-a-decentralized-bitcoin-scaling-solution-1b8147650800

medium.com/@jonaldfyookball/continued-discussion-on-why-lightning-network-cannot-scale-883c17b2ef5b

Skullbone
Skullbone

neither is bitcoin you ignorant moron
It will be once the many upcoming features like the LN are implemented.
But unlike LN BTC, Monero has a unique function.
Again, fungibility is coming to Bitcoin together with sclability, so unless Monero comes up with something new they will be left behind.
All of BTC's new features are scams to get around the whitepaper's solution to scaling (INCREASING BLOCKSIZE) and take people's money.
Pajeet, you just humiliate yourself by repeating this bullshit lie and ignoring everything I say. You status as paid shill is clear as day. There is no solution to scaling in the whitepaper, maybe next time read it before shitposting.
Bitcoin is shitcoin.
r/btc is literally the Pravda of crypto. There's nothing but lies to make the cronies Jihan and Roger richer on the backs of easily impressionable and lowly educated poorfags like you.

everything in this post is wrong

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

daily reminder that (((segwit))) and LN take transactions off the blockchain

WHICH UNDERMINES THE ENTIRE IDEA OF BITCOIN TO BEGIN WITH... namely to have a public, decentralized ledger and p2p transactions

also daily reminder that satoshi nakamoto wanted to increase blocksize to scale bitcoin
daily reminder that blockstream has been bought out by jew banks, are censoring forums and have paid shills spreading FUD and disinfo

reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6wsrfr/be_vigilant_bcore_will_create_chaos_but_this_is_a/

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

It doesn't matter if you're right. It's far too late. You lost the instant your coin was called anything other than "Bitcoin". The inertia of the brand is too strong

Supergrass
Supergrass

everything in this post is wrong

not an argument you fuck
daily reminder that blockstream shills have zero arguments. they will only spread disinfo, try to confuse you, outright lie and call you names
they know that truth is on BCHs side

Shill harder you fucks
the truth will come out and you know it

takes2long
takes2long

Seriously, how can someone be a bagholder when it's at ATH?

I don't think that weird means what you think it means.

BCC meanwhile is designed to create bagholders. The inflation rate is such that it will increase in difficulty permanently before it can get a foothold.

Any other shitcoin is better, long term

Inmate
Inmate

I'm really interested to see how these transparent kike tactics will work long run in a libertarian-conservative market.

likme
likme

Upcoming features dont exist yet ignorant moron.

Bitcoin's product was a peer-to-peer sale or transfer without any third party calling the shots, billing you or interfering.

Now it's peer-to-LN-to-peer or if multihopping, peer-toLN-to-peer-to-peer-to-peer-to-peer etc and everyone has to hae the balance and everything is loaned read aout it here

Pravda
Pravda was a heavily-censored jewish-state run newspaper, like r/bitcoin or bitcointalk.

everything in this post is wrong
everything in that post was right, and the white paper called for block increases to scale lmk if you can't even find that and I'll link it.

Playboyize
Playboyize

not an argument you fuck
You niggers don't listen to arguments. You'd rather suck Jihan cock, who literally just needs to turn off a switch and your shitcoin stops existing, than accept the fact the LN is decentralized and allows for scalability, whereas improving the blocksize destroys the network letting kikes finally take over.
The greatest irony in all of this is that you false flag about being aginst kikes, but you are actually the useful tools who would like to take them to power.
The only mining farm Jihan owns outside China is literally in Tel Aviv. The whole fork wasn't done to help you cucks and you religious cult with Satoshi as god and the whitepaper as the wholy book get ahead. It was done to break the privacy of early adopters who bought bitcoin when KYC wasn't enabled among crypto brokers. That is literally the only reason. But you won't know anything about that, you are just a pajeet sucking that propaganda like you suck BBC. Kys.

Flameblow
Flameblow

classic jew projection
classic jew-thinks-noone's-smart-enough-to-see-him-lie

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

You niggers don't listen to arguments. You'd rather suck Jihan cock

Stopped reading there. You're full of shit, nigger.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Upcoming features dont exist yet ignorant moron.
lmao of course they exist, they have been developed for years, and now they are close to being implemented.
Bitcoin's product was a peer-to-peer sale or transfer without any third party calling the shots, billing you or interfering.
using the LN doesn't need third parties.
Pravda was a heavily-censored jewish-state run newspaper, like r/bitcoin or bitcointalk.
r/btc is just as censored as r/bitcoin, the difference is the intent. It's like you don't even know how easy you can astroturf the internet, are you this new? r/bitcoin is constantly attacked by paid astroturfers, you call that defence censorship because you have bought into your retarded cult.
Bitcoin Cash is the jewish coin.
everything in that post was right, and the white paper called for block increases to scale lmk if you can't even find that and I'll link it.
The whitepaper doesn't say you need block increased to scale lmao I bet you've not even read it

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Stopped reading there
Convenient way of saying "I have been BTFO and have no arguments"

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Talking about kikestream not talking about what he said

MPmaster
MPmaster

repetitive and boring lies
Fuck off you dirty jewish lawyer

Nothing is censored from /btc. Your leaer thymos bans and deletes everyone who disagrees he's the only guy that does this.

Whitepaper says incraase scal eas needed up o 32MB like I've already said ITT and you havent read it or you'd know this.

Here is the doc itself, at it's obscure, hard to find address
bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

likme
likme

Nothing is censored from /btc.
ahahahah imagine being this oblivious and delusional
your leaer thymos bans and deletes everyone who disagrees he's the only guy that does this.
there's nothing wrong in banning kike astroturfers for trying to mud waters and confuse newbies with blatant lies. The proof is that even when we explain you the truth you niggers just don't listen and repeat the mantra. "Muh satoshi vision. Muh Big Black Blocks, please give me Big Black Blocks Jihan-sama"
bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
obscure, hard to find address
nigger you're so fucking retarded holy shit

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

BTFO how when zero aguemment to respond to

blockstream doesn't argue because there's no truth to your side, you just adhom and misrepresent yourself

You're not moonman, you're a dirty jew

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

You're moving the goalposts, kike.

RavySnake
RavySnake

This.

Fucking kek newfags this summer are hilarious.

DeathDog
DeathDog

What will the dirty jew say

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

he doesn't know BTC is fiat

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

zero aguemment to respond to
do you deny that Jihan owns a mining farm in Tel Aviv? Yes or no?
blockstream doesn't argue because there's no truth to your side, you just adhom and misrepresent yourself
I have made plenty of arguments. I have showed you that fungibility features are about to be implemented in Bitcoin thanks to Segwit, which will make it more anonymous. I have also refuted your lie that you need a third-part to transact with the LN. I have also pointed out that there's no mention in the whitepaper of the need to indefinitely raise the blocksize as a means to achieve scalability and wide adoption.
All you have done is call everyone a kike because your kike masters told you that is a good strategy to bring "le edgy 4channers" to agree with you when you have zero arguments.
You're not moonman, you're a dirty jew
t.John Kikeberg

t.kike

he unironically thinks BTC is fiat
kike confirmed

Soft_member
Soft_member

$100?

more like $1000 amirite?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Block stream doesn't argue because they don't want to shine a light on it the only reason they started talking about it was saying it's just a shitty alt coin and get ready to sell your bcc for more btc free money. They don't say it's a fork may the best protocol win no they censor everything big block then ur left with stupid fuckers like btc fags

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

kike projecting intensely
Bitoin is't anonymous, it's peer-to-peer open ledger: BCC. All of your arguments revolve around false characterizations like this.

"Indefinitely" he claims I said, falsely. Nope, I said it was 32MB. Increasing it higher than 1 MB= not indefinite.

You're a massive kike, kike.

whereismyname
whereismyname

And your BTC is govt fiat

happy_sad
happy_sad

Gets mad when I point out the delusion of 4mb.

Doesn't relay any information to refute this fact.

Just complains about muh plebbit.

Browsing or mentioning plebbit at all.

Just sticks to insults instead of presenting any viable information.

Being this upset your shit coin is a shit coin.

Enjoy your 8mb blocks on BCH, loser lmao.

likme
likme

caring about FIAT

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

uses most common pepe to imply he browses Veeky Forums
sees viable information says theres no viable information
says the other side is just insults, then shit coin is shit coin
loser lmao is nigger talk

caring about (((BTC)))

TechHater
TechHater

Bitoin is't anonymous, it's peer-to-peer open ledger
Monero is a peer-to-peer open ledger yet you claim it's anonymous. You are so fucking retarded m8. Bitcoin will be anonymous once those upcoming features are implemented, as I already said.
I said it was 32MB. Increasing it higher than 1 MB= not indefinite.
The number of transactions with 32 MB blocks is way to small to allow wide adoption. It literally won't fix anything. It also will lead to decentralization and will allow double spending and mining cartels, thus destroying the fundamental bitcoin values of decentralization and censorship-resistance.
The LN brings transactions up to VISA speed levels without compromising on the rest of the features that make BTC great.
You got brainwashed by miners and you're a cuck:
medium.com/@laurentmt/when-moby-dick-meets-the-terminator-d014c315af85
You're a massive kike, kike.
t.kike

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

*it will also lead to centralization

Booteefool
Booteefool

visa speeds

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

says monero is open ledger

Bidwell
Bidwell

Muh secret club.

Ranting nonspecific information that is found on Rogers feed.

Still being this mad your shit coin is a shit coin, when will the realization kick in by the way? When it's less than Doge? kek.

Being more edgy with more insults.

Trying to be /pol/ this hard, this is why the internet hates you plebbators.

Caring about a (((shit coin))).

Still no viable information shown after larping this long and hard.

Enjoy your ASIC boosted Chinese government cancer 8mb blocks, lmao loser.

Inmate
Inmate

BCH is so great that it will have to hard fork again to kill the EDA or become unprofitable forever.

It's designed to fuck you up and nothing more.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

It literally is. As usualy you haven't answered any arguments though and just called me a kike. Typical brainwashed plebbit subhuman

dumb frogposter

Flameblow
Flameblow

What price did you buy your BCC bags at? Will you ever get bored of fearmongering?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Everything that isn't Betamax has an insurmountable branding issue: It isn't Betamax. Nothing can ever topple it. I'm not saying that I like that this is how the world works, but it is.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Monero is a PRIVATE currency, dipshit. The opposite of open ledger.

Shills have always talked like you.

Nojokur
Nojokur

Biz is just retarded. A forked coin from bitcoin which is the exact same coin just bigger blocks is a shit coin. Its not a shitcoin because its slow or has high fees because its fast and cheap, but its a shitcoin for no reason lol. this fork was aimed to fix the congestion problem last time i checked bitcoin is still congested to fuck and they are so congested because of the 1mb blocks being filled. we are not suppose to fill blocks... why cant you guys understand simple shit

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

You clearly don't understand what an open ledger is. Monero isn't a private currency, it is an anonymous currency. Do they not teach you this stuff in India, Pajeet?
Shills have always talked like you.
What is that even supposed to mean? Holy shit Raj you're really bad at this

viagrandad
viagrandad

tfw people place too much emphasis on the technicals of financial assets, not realising that most people don't give a flying fuck.

likme
likme

Ignores my heavily structured and God sent response.

wew lad

shill much?

how much do they pay you? is it in BCH?

do you dump right after they pay you?

do you get paid through a group that looks for shills?

are you apart of some organization in India?

thx

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Hello Pajeet
medium.com/@laurentmt/when-moby-dick-meets-the-terminator-d014c315af85

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

tfw normies are so fucking stupid they don't realize the entire infrastructure and well being of their coin is built around those technical

Soft_member
Soft_member

BTFOOOOOO

viagrandad
viagrandad

tfw people complain about the future of their coins but don't commit code to fix the problems they harp on about.

Hype is nothing new, shit technologies win out non stop, techies ( I am a techie btw) like to console themselves with this idealistic worldview that the best technical solution always wins out, but the reality of the fact is that most of the time when momentum has been gained by the marginal holders, the majority simply carries the asset to the limit, sure, sometimes blood is spilt but there are more than enough retards onboard now to carry us to the promised land (here come the jew comments) that it no longer matters. Old mate "Too big too fail" comes to mind. Never underestimate the power of greed. Assets after a certain point become social issues, not technical ones.

Emberfire
Emberfire

Cool but you're not factoring in the technicals making that coin useless practically. Nobody will use Bitcoin if it has high fees.

w8t4u
w8t4u

Whilst I understand your comment in many ways, I think it's likely to be mitigated by the fact that most holders use Bitcoin for asset, not currency. Whlst we may like to delude ourselves that it's a currency, there is much evidence to believe that it will always be a gold-style asset. Continuing from sentence one, behavioral economics indicates that we become desensitised to small "losses" in the face of larger ones, when you've made a 25% gain on a relatively large holding ovver the last 6 months, do you really give a fuck about an again, relatively small transaction fee? Most likely not. Bitcoin isn't perfect, neither are most things, doesn't mean it won't work.

hairygrape
hairygrape

Just like no one would ever switch to a superior facebook alternative,

LinkedIn doesn't exist.
LinkedIn isn't used for actual networking rather than middle aged women posting cat pictures.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Everything that isn't Blockbuster Video has an insurmountable branding issue

Booteefool
Booteefool

not measuring transaction fees in fiat
Fucking idiots.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Then why would any scaling solution be needed whatsoever if this was the case?

farquit
farquit

wow the blockstream shills are really out in force today
really tiring to dispute them, because they constantly move the goalposts, flat out lie and try to sidestep the discussion to nonsense issues like "lol jihan has a server farm in tel aviv"

nevertheless here are the FACTS:

1. Blockstream got bought out by jew bankers
2. Blockstream is actively censoring discussion on various forums
3. Blockstream is paying shills to spread disinfo
4. (((Segwit))) is absolutely useless and hasnt solved the scaling issue
5. Lightnin Network takes transactions offchain and undermines the entire idea of bitcoin, wich is to have a DECENTRALIZED, PUBLIC LEDGER FOR P2P Transactions
6. LN opens the door for centralization by including a middleman
7. Satoshi Nakamoto himself was in favour of increasing the blocksize up to 32 MB (its in the fucking whitepaper, read it)
8. BCH is literally the original, raw-uncut unadulteraated bitcoin
9. BTC has been kiked and compromised by big banking

these are all 100% facts and cant be argued with
now watch the shills squirm and try to throw up a smokescreen, this is the truth and even though they hate truth it will always prevail against their slimy tricks.

what does it mean for the future of bitcoin? NOTHING GOOD

is bitcoin gonna crash now?
no not neccessarily. but they can cripple its grow (as they have done for years already) and suck inflated tx fees out of the users

Personally Im hodling BTC and BCH and watching how this is gonna play out. Pretty positive though that BCH will win because BTC is now a shitcoin and will probably collapse under its own weight..

since, you know, the scaling issue STILL HASNT BEEN FIXED.

but dont just believe me, look at the facts for yourself.

reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6wsrfr/be_vigilant_bcore_will_create_chaos_but_this_is_a/
reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/6rxw7k/informative_btc_vs_bch_articles/dl8v4lp/
bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

The scaling solution has been mostly touted by business types, Roger Ver as the perfect example. Bitcoin is an OS solution, and with only 450~ contributors, I really struggle to understand the POV of most people when they won't get to the coalface and learn to just contribute to the effort. Simple fact is that the fork was a business decision, not a technical one. I'd be interested to know if those who advocated for the fork sold their Bitcoin core assets after the fork, only then can their actions be held to account.

King_Martha
King_Martha

Nice (((FACTS))) you got there kike

likme
likme

Well of course a supposedly faster and cheaper solution for transacting bitcoin is good for business and the business owners. But why would segwit + LN or larger blocks be needed in the first place if people were just using bitcoin as a store of wealth?

Methnerd
Methnerd

Who is buying up cripplecoin and why?

Skullbone
Skullbone

observe the blockstream shill in their natural habitat
they dont have any arguments so they just try to spread disinfo, call you kikes/pajeets, sidestep the issue, move the goalposts, etc etc.
its failry easy to spot them since they all use the same playbook given to them by their handlers

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

they dont have any arguments

YOU NIGGERS LITERALLY WRITE FAN-FICTION. I HAVE ALREADY ANSWERED ON THE TECHNICAL ASPECT OF WHY YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT BUT YOU KEEP PARROTING "MUH BLOCKSTREAM" LIKE A FUCKING BOT. THERE IS LITERALLY NOTHING RIGHT OR REMOTELY TRUE IN ANYTHING YOU WROTE.
IF YOU HAD WRITTEN "I HAVE A COLD TODAY, THE KIKES DID THIS" IT WOULD HAVE MADE MORE SENSE THAN THE TRIVEL YOU WROTE.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

1. Blockstream got bought out by jew bankers
Literally no proof of this except "Hillary Clinton once sneezer in the same city a blockstream employee took a dump in on his way to holiday therefore illuminati confirmed"
2. Blockstream is actively censoring discussion on various forums
The only supposedly censored channel is r/bitcoin, and the suspected culprit Theymos isn't part of Blockstream. r/btc is much worse on censorship and most users there are literal bots and paid pajeets
3. Blockstream is paying shills to spread disinfo
Wrong, r/btc has been literally caught red-handed buying plebbit accounts and offering cents per post to shill bitcoin cash. No proof of any "blockstream shills" exist
4. (((Segwit))) is absolutely useless and hasnt solved the scaling issue
Segwit is necessary to fix bugs that make the network less secure, and is the sepping stone to implementing a lot more features, especially the ones that will finally make bitcoin anonymous and fungible. See twitter.com/jrbhudon/status/903439675360067584
5. Lightnin Network takes transactions offchain and undermines the entire idea of bitcoin, wich is to have a DECENTRALIZED, PUBLIC LEDGER FOR P2P Transactions
Wrong. LN transactions are still validated on-chain and they are DECENTRALIZED and to use it YOU DON'T NEED THIRD PARTIES, IT IS LITERALLY MORE PEER-TO-PEER AND DECENTRALIZED THAN THE FIRST LAYER FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE.
7. Satoshi Nakamoto himself was in favour of increasing the blocksize up to 32 MB (its in the fucking whitepaper, read it)
This is simply wrong, the whitepaper does not mention raising the blocksize as a means to achieve wider transaction throughput and scalability.
8. BCH is literally the original, raw-uncut unadulteraated bitcoin
BCH has a shitload of stuff that wasn't in the whitepaper, including EDA. Furthermore, Bitcoin has changed a lot since 2009 and the BCH cultists have not gone back on those changes, thus further proving they are full of shit.

RavySnake
RavySnake

9. BTC has been kiked and compromised by big banking
Literally a false-flag conspiracy theory with no proof to hide the real conspiracy, which is the one brought forwars by Jihan and Roger, together with their kike friends and the chinese communist party.
these are all 100% facts and cant be argued with
They are 100% fabricated propaganda
now watch the shills squirm and try to throw up a smokescreen, this is the truth and even though they hate truth it will always prevail against their slimy tricks.
t.pot calling the kettle black
Personally Im hodling BTC and BCH and watching how this is gonna play out. Pretty positive though that BCH will win because BTC is now a shitcoin and will probably collapse under its own weight..
1 DOGE was deposited into your wallet
since, you know, the scaling issue STILL HASNT BEEN FIXED.
LN is in testnet and is almost ready to be deployed on the mainnet

FastChef
FastChef

I have 1500 OMG and I'm trying to figure out which major coin I want to store my $500,000 in once it moons.

With all the shilling going on and the battle between BTC and BCH I think I'll toss it into ETH or LTC

Lunatick
Lunatick

*to make the network more secure

Methshot
Methshot

It's literally not fiat. Go back to whatever cancerous site you came from.

Supergrass
Supergrass

no further reply after you got BTFO? Disgusting pajeet shill

massdebater
massdebater

remember when everyone's afraid and spreading the fud, buy the hell out of it.

Unless of course you see / implement some legit, multifaceted TA and shit looks bad. Then dont.

But its like (buffet? rockefeller?) said if the plebs are fearing buy and sell when they are celebrating...

or some shit quote like that

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Pajeet shill posts long and heavily formatted pasta full of bullshit
answer point by point
shill disappears

Ever noticed this? They always bump the thread until they are too BTFO to convince anyone, then stop replying so it 404's and post a new thread repeating the same bullshit

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

It's literally not worth replying to. Your entire second post is just ad hominem. Your first post is a bunch of lies.

Spamalot
Spamalot

It's literally not worth replying to.
lmao literally no arguments
Your entire second post is just ad hominem
care to point them out?
Your first post is a bunch of lies.
What do you think is a lie? Let's hear it

Methnerd
Methnerd

I trust the Fed

You level of stupidity is in the stratosphere, sheep.

Skullbone
Skullbone

To 99% of normies, this confusing name "Bitcoin Cash" will be incomprehensible at best and cringey me-too faggotry at worst. Once they spend a few minutes reading and learn that it is a completely different coin from BTC, they'll think you're faggots and ignore you without looking any further into the matter.

BCH lost as soon as you guys allowed Blockstream to retain the "BTC" and "Bitcoin" identity. Why the fuck did you let them cuck you into accepting the name "Bitcoin Cash"? That's the moment it was all over for you. Accept it. Stop autistically screeching about the merits, you sound like a 9/11 truther or Ron Paul circa 2007. Yes, you're right about everything, but it doesn't matter because no one is going to listen to the unhinged rambling psycho.

Techpill
Techpill

store of value and not a regularly-transacted coin

the absolute state of brainlets