Women also submitted to Beria's sexual advances in exchange for the promise of freeing their relatives from the Gulag...

>Communism is supposed to free nirmal citizens from capitalists' chains
>Ends up chaining, raping and purging normal citizens
Very good ideology, not hypocritical at all :D

That's because no ideology on Earth can chain down alpha males like Beria.

Beria was an opportunistic psychopath serial killer and sexual deviant. His last attempt at manipulation was crying like a bitch during his trial. You'll find that these predatory faggots who often occupy these regimes' top places are far from alpha males.

but Stalin was a true alpha, no doubt about that

Yikes, thought it was obvious I was kidding. Anyways, say what you will about the bastard, but he was efficient. I doubt anyone would've stomached him otherwise.

>obessive and constantly scared for his life manlet
>alpha

>obessive and constantly scared for his life manlet
proof?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_repression_in_the_Soviet_Union
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Trotsky#Assassination

really tankie?

that makes him an alpha you faggot

>being a paranoid, neurotic manlet
>alpha
top tankek

Beria is just a little kitty-cat. He did nothing wrong

Beria was also the leader of the Kremlin faction which favored withdrawing from Eastern Europe in exchange for US economic assistance to rebuild the USSR. If he had won the leadership struggle, the Cold War might have been averted and Eastern Europe could have been free.

A sociopathic rapist may have been the best choice from a utilitarian standpoint.

Based Beria

and was a jews for good measure !

This. You have to separate the mans personal problems from his political stances. He might well habe been a deng xiaping abd was more moderste and realist than kruschchev

Lenin did the same thing with the NEP, the West was duped into pouring millions in foreign aid and investment into the Soviet Union only to see it wiped out when Stalin rose to power.

Arguably, the same can be said of Clinton's foreign aid to 1990s Russia.

Never make deal with tyrants and corrupt autocrats. They are all psychopaths waiting to stab you in the back when the wind changes. Tyranny and democracy, in the long run, cannot coexist.

China will assfuck the West at some point too.

worse, a Georgian

>On August 22, 1938, Georgian NKVD leader Lavrenty Beria was named as Yezhov's deputy. Beria had managed to survive the Great Purge and the "Yezhovshchina" during the years 1936–1938, even though he had almost become one of its victims. Earlier in 1938, Yezhov had even ordered the arrest of Beria, who was party chief in Georgia. However, Georgian NKVD chief Sergei Goglidze warned Beria, who immediately flew to Moscow to see Stalin personally. Beria convinced Stalin to spare his life and reminded Stalin how efficiently he had carried out party orders in Georgia and Transcaucasia. In a twist of fate, it was Yezhov who eventually fell in the struggle for power, and Beria who became the new NKVD chief.[21]
>Well acquainted with the typical Stalinist bureaucratic precursors to eventual dismissal and arrest, Yezhov recognized Beria's increasing influence with Stalin as a sign that his downfall was imminent; and he plunged headlong into alcoholism and despair. Already a heavy drinker, in the last weeks of his service, he reportedly was disconsolate, slovenly, and drunk nearly all of his waking hours, rarely bothering to show up to work. As anticipated, Stalin and Vyacheslav Molotov, in a report dated November 11, sharply criticised the work and methods of the NKVD during Yezhov's tenure as chief, thus creating the bureaucratic pretense necessary to remove him from power.
I TRIED SO HARD, AND GOT SO FAR

>On November 14, another of Yezhov’s protégés, the Ukrainian NKVD chief Alexander Ivanovich Uspensky, disappeared after being warned by Yezhov that he was in trouble. Stalin suspected that Yezhov was involved in the disappearance, and told Beria, not Yezhov, that Uspensky must be caught (he was arrested on April 14, 1939).[22] Yezhov had told his wife Yevgenia on September 18 that he wanted a divorce, and she had begun writing increasingly despairing letters to Stalin, none of which were answered.[23] She was particularly vulnerable because of her many lovers, and people close to her were being arrested for months. On November 19, 1938, Yevgenia committed suicide by taking an overdose of sleeping pills.
>At his own request, Yezhov was officially relieved of his post as the People's Commissar for Internal Affairs on November 25, succeeded by Beria, who had been in complete control of the NKVD since the departure of Frinovsky on 8 September.[24] He attended his last Politburo meeting on January 29, 1939.
>Stalin was evidently content to ignore Yezhov for several months, finally ordering Beria to denounce him at the annual Presidium of the Supreme Soviet. On March 3, 1939, Yezhov was relieved of all his posts in the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, but retained his post as People's Commissar of Water Transportation. His last working day was April 9, at which time the "People’s Commissariat was simply abolished by splitting it into two, the People’s Commissariats of the River Fleet and the Sea Fleet, with two new People’s Commissars, Z. A. Shashkov and S. S. Dukel’skii."[25]

Beria wasn't Jewish

>thus creating the bureaucratic pretense necessary to remove him from power
Ah yes, one little insult of many totalitarian systems, added to all the major insults... a person can't just openly be pronounced a threat or inconvenience to those in power and executed, there must be a whole elaborate pretense first.

Every ideology, no matter how good it claims to be, will eventually become perverted by bad people.

it's funny as hell desu
> By the most likely account, Khrushchev prepared an elaborate ambush, convening a meeting of the Presidium on 26 June, where he suddenly launched a scathing attack on Beria, accusing him of being a traitor and spy in the pay of British intelligence. Beria was taken completely by surprise. He asked, "What's going on, Nikita Sergeyevich? Why are you picking fleas in my trousers?" Molotov and others quickly spoke against Beria one after the other, followed by a motion by Khrushchev for his instant dismissal. When Beria finally realized what was happening and plaintively appealed to Malenkov to speak for him, his old friend and crony silently hung his head and refused to meet his gaze. Malenkov pressed a button on his desk as the pre-arranged signal to Marshal Georgy Zhukov and a group of armed officers in a nearby room who burst in and arrested Beria.[39]

>Beria was found guilty of:
>Treason. It was alleged, without any proof, that "up to the moment of his arrest Beria maintained and developed his secret connections with foreign intelligence services". In particular, attempts to initiate peace talks with Hitler in 1941 through the ambassador of Bulgaria were classified as treason; no one mentioned that Beria was acting on the orders of Stalin and Molotov. It was also alleged that Beria, who in 1942 helped organize the defense of the North Caucasus, tried to let the Germans occupy the Caucasus. There were allegations that "planning to seize power, Beria tried to obtain the support of imperialist states at the price of violation of territorial integrity of the Soviet Union and transfer of parts of USSR's territory to capitalist states." These allegations were due to Beria's suggestion to his assistants that to improve foreign relations it was reasonable to transfer the Kaliningrad Oblast to Germany, part of Karelia to Finland, the Moldavian Soviet Socialist Republic to Romania and the Kuril Islands to Japan.
>Terrorism. Beria's participation in the Purge of the Red Army in 1941 was classified as an act of terrorism.
>Counter-revolutionary activity during the Russian Civil War. In 1919 Beria worked in the security service of the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic. Beria maintained that he was assigned to that work by the Hummet party, which subsequently merged with the Adalat Party, the Ahrar Party, and the Baku Bolsheviks to establish the Azerbaijan Communist Party.

at least the communist total perversion of justice runs both ways?

because according to the structure of the party at the time he had more power than khrushchev and Zhukov

a senator couldn't just overthrow the president or a member of parliament the pm

Is there any proof for these claims? It sounds like bullshit made up during de-Stalinization t b h

>All this and they didn't just call him out on the rape
It's never going to go away. Rapists are going to be embedded in every power structure on the planet, forever.

I just got done reading about the Pictairn Islands, which was discovered in 2004 to have been an Overseas British Territory that revolved around rape for like 200 years.

I think the seductive quality of Communism is that you are punishing people for something they have done in their lifetime. E.g. Hoarding wealth and exploiting their workers. Everyone is one bad boss and firing away from having some sympathy for the cause. That's why it will always be more politically correct than movements that attack people for things they couldn't control at birth. e.g. race, mental health issues etc.

However, communists having no uniting ethos besides punishing those with wealth and prestige will never achieve what it supposedly sets out to. And in terms of gaining power in the West, they generally abhor guns and would need a miracle to stop from splintering apart on ethnic and cultural lines.

>hurr durr everyone who doesn't have my political system has severe mental issues!
this is the reasoning of somebody with a childish view of the world desu

True
but Tito and Castro were undeniably alpha tho

>After Stalin's death from pulmonary edema brought on by the stroke, Beria's ambitions sprang into full force. In the uneasy silence following the cessation of Stalin's last agonies, Beria was the first to dart forward to kiss his lifeless form (a move likened by Sebag-Montefiore to "wrenching a dead King's ring off his finger"[35]). While the rest of Stalin's inner circle (even Molotov, saved from certain liquidation) stood sobbing unashamedly over the body, Beria reportedly appeared "radiant", "regenerated", and "glistening with ill-concealed relish."[35] When Beria left the room, he broke the somber atmosphere by shouting loudly for his driver, his voice echoing with what Stalin's daughter Svetlana Alliluyeva called "the ring of triumph unconcealed."[26] Alliluyeva noticed how the Politburo seemed openly frightened of Beria and unnerved by his bold display of ambition. "He's off to take power," Mikoyan recalled muttering to Khrushchev. That prompted a "frantic" dash for their own limousines to intercept him at the Kremlin.[26]

Those are some amazing legs for her age.

Wrong.

He was of the same petty NKVD breed that had enacted mass murder over past slights and imagined threats. He was effective with spies, and that's the only reason he survived Stalin. His character shows through and through as a coward and snake, incapable of the burden of leadership.

Khrushchev turned the Soviet Union from a macabre parody of chaotic evil, into a powerful and respected run-of-the-mill authoritarian regime, no longer wiping out whole sections of society over hypothetical disagreements. He was the only good leader to emerge from the pit of Stalinism.

>Falling for the stocking jew

Like when Iraq armed all of those Mexican Aztlan terrorists and then bombed us when we tried to defend ourselves, taking all of our oil and gold, then installing an Iraqi puppet government and rewriting our laws to serve their corporations. I can't believe those commie tyrants still have bases in our country.

Nice meme. Kruschev still continued the gulag system and used it to persecute religious minorities. He also started thr practices of labeling dissidents as mentally ill and locking them in mental hospitals and of nailing dissidents with unrelated made up criminal charges. Convinient way to stop having political prisoners; just label them rapists or embezzlers instead. Also the siberian exile of certain ethnic groups such as crimean tatars also continued thru out kruschevs time.

>t. read Solzhenitsyn once

Beria rape meme needs to die

Montefiore's own works are all founded on what he got out of reading the memoirs of the children of the men in Stalin's court, and interviews with them.

I don't know if you can trust the word of children that much, but it isn't all anedoctal evidence.

it literally is

>democratic capitalist countries
>powerful people have to get consent or do it in secrecy

>communist shit holes
>totally-not-nobles can literally just put a gun to your head and rape you to death

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Sebag_Montefiore

>Simon Montefiore was born in London. His father was Stephen Eric Sebag Montefiore and his brother is Hugh Sebag-Montefiore. They are descended from a line of wealthy Sephardi Jews who were diplomats and bankers all over Europe and who originated from Morocco and Italy. At the start of the 19th century, his great-great-uncle, Sir Moses Montefiore, was an international financier who worked with the Rothschild family and who became a philanthropist.[3] His mother, Phyllis April Jaffé, comes from a Lithuanian Jewish family of scholars.

Hmmmmmmm...

Why is /pol/ always right? it's frankly unnerving

>raping or killing someone is ok as long as people dont know about it

How is it not OK if nobody knows about it forever? Unless you're a conscientious person with proper moral codes, but then you wouldn't do that in the first place if you are.

/pol/ is always claiming that the Jews ruled the USSR. How does claiming that Beria raped people fit into the supposed Jewish agenda?

more than that, by 1923, Lenin already declared Trotsky as his successor but Trotsky refused because he didn't want the world to believe the propaganda that communism was a jewish conspiracy

...

Stalin purged the Jews from the Soviet Union though, he was their enemy

He got off easy, honestly

So are mods going to do anything about these shitty leftypol shill threads or what?

>stories told by people
>not anedoctal

>thread exposing the Soviets for the horrible people they are
>/leftypol/ shill thread
You are one of the smart ones right?

every soviet in existence hated beria including his boss

lol /thread

We are not degenerate

Well in the case of Beria his son, Sergo, wrote a book praising his father to the high heavens, even saying that he actually didn't die executed but straight up killed in his office after Stalin's death.
independent.co.uk/news/world/a-son-emerges-from-the-shadows-sergo-beria-comes-out-of-41-years-of-anonymity-and-tells-andrew-1411967.html
He goes on to say that it was Kruchtchev that built up his image as a monster and rapist, which is entierly possible if we consider that Kruchtchev was making shit up and lying constantly. If we consider that Montefiore probably based his research upon kruchtchev's era documents and entourage, no wonder he always depicts such grotesque scenes and allegations on all the Soviet leaders
So i don't know who is pulling garbage out of their ass the most but at least Sergo was there and witnessed the events
And as far as i know, nothing supports at all the allegations of rape, of Stalin calling him is "himmler" or any witness in how his execution underwent
My guess would be that Montefiore is the biggest meme master of Sovietology

>I have to rape and kill infants in secrecy or else the public will lock me in a cage forever
versus
>I can rape and kill you and there's nothing you can do you about

>have boss that everyone hates who won't stop raping
>can't remove him
Communism

My bad he didn't say he was killed in the office, just captured pretty brutally 6 months before his alleged execution.

>Clinton's foreign aid to 1990s Russia.
>implying it was of any relevance
>implying Chechen radical mudslims didn't receive more to destabilize the situation

you wouldn't want to know your father was such a piece of shit either so you'd try to make yourself believe he wasn't

And because a british Historian during the cold war always speaks the truth and has no agenda or intrest whatsoever right ?
The son lived in annonymity for 40 years, if he was so ashamed he could have stayed that way

this, I wouldn't trust any book written by a notorious leader's son, the daughter of himmler was the same afaik

i love when people posture like they're being skeptical about something in the most naive way imaginable

>Rapists are going to be embedded in every power structure on the planet, forever.
you label a man as a rapists it can destroy his reputation forever.

He got off easily for all that he did

Not real communism

It's easy to be sceptical about some anecdotal stories.
It's like with other war crimes. Sure, the Germans gassed millions of people, there is evidence of this, documents, hundreds of witnesses and so on. But some guys said that German also trained dogs to rape women. There is no evidence of this except like two guys who obviously hated the Germans. It's easy to be sceptical about things like this.

what? he was executed. that's the most severe punishment you can give someone, unless you're suggesting its ever even slightly okay to be sadistic and torture people for literally no other reason than to make you feel better.

>being skeptical about something very natural and commonplace (men abusing their power to exploit women) is exactly the same thing as being skeptical about a completely nonsensical tall tale

A whole rape ecosystem.
Yeah it's pretty vile. The fucking Anglos have been doing it to each other for years (Westminster pedophile dossier, Yewtree etc.).
And in the US Epstein, Podesta, Alefantis.
In Australia (and elsewhere) the Catholic clergy.

>men abusing power to exploit women
I'm not defending him, he was a monster, but I'm sceptical about those stories. They all came from his enemies. And I know how the Soviet system worked.

>Podesta
Isn't this a conspiracy theory?

These kind of psychopaths can be found even in systems outside communism, they are not particular to it. In any kind of system in times of crisis a leader will most likely put in power a an extremely immoral person that is also very effective, in Nazi Germany that guy Richard Heydrich, in SU it was Beria. There are also similar guys like that in that in the CIA that wreck entire nations with the outcome of millions killed and they don't break a sweat.

It's a conspiracy theory with enough circumstantial evidence to probably be true.
voat.co/v/pizzagate/1497611

Maybe, but I don't believe in anything regarding some alleged occult ceremonies and similar crap. Conspiratards went full retard when they started blaming Marina Abramovic for black magic rituals and similar nonsense.

Why were the heads of the Soviet secret police completely irrelevant after Beria despite everyone knowing Yezhov and Yagoda?

*authorizes your execution*

Daily reminder that Pizzagate was literally created by /pol/ as a joke. I remember being in the fucking thread where the idea was first thought up

Rly? I remember being in 8 chan when they started digging

whose signatures were these beside Stalin?

>TOP SECRET

>From the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union to comrade STALIN

>In the NKVD POW camps and in the prisons of the western oblasts of Ukraine and Belorussia there is currently a large number of former officers of the Polish army, former Polish police officers and employees of intelligence agencies, members of Polish nationalist c-r (counterrevolutionary) parties, participants in underground c-r rebel organizations, defectors and so on. All of them are implacable enemies of Soviet power and full of hatred for the Soviet system.

>POW officers and policemen located in the camps are attempting to continue c-r work and are leading anti-Soviet agitation. Each of them is simply waiting to be freed so they can have the opportunity to actively join the fight against Soviet power.

>NKVD agents in the western oblasts of Ukraine and Belorussia have uncovered a number of c-r rebel organizations. In each of these c-r organizations the former officers of the former Polish army and former Polish police officers played an active leadership role.

>Among the detained defectors and violators of the state-

>(Signatures: In favor - Stalin, Voroshilov, Molotov, Mikoyan)
>(In margin: Comrade Kalinin - In favor. Comrade Kaganovich - In favor.)

More to the point, what does that matter if the evidence points there?

thanks but why would Stalin need their approvals anyway?

only AFTER he helped them to destroy the west

the soviets were enamoured with pointless bureaucratic formalities

>every person of power is of course abusing their power and raping everyone
Ok
The sources that Montefiore uses only seems to be the files from his "trial" after Stalin's death under Kruchtchev, and again, he was a master of making shit up about all of his ennemies. Kruchtchev created the myth of Stalin being a dullish brute with no intellect and this has been debunked by Service and many other historians.
And the other convenient thing is that those files are unnavailable for examination up until 2027 or something.
And since he litteraly has NO OTHER SOURCES, as of right now everything he wrote is purely faith based, and most of it is completely annecdotal, like some reported comments or conversations that just seem to come out of nowhere.
So pardon my "naive" Skecpticism for not beliving some fantasy tier historical writings.
What is the obsession with dildos anyway ? if they were alive today would all soviet leaders browse Veeky Forums and collect dragon dildos ?

>found drawers full of used panties in his room before his execution

Was he /our guy/?

Die like a man

This guy personally executed tens of thousands of people in the purges and 7,000 at Katyn alone, making him the most prolific mass murderer in history. The Soviets were metal as fuck