As a Czech, i see Münich treaty as the worst betrayal in history that marked the turn from industrial first world nation to backwards commie shithole we are now.
So what would happen if allies didn't betray us? Could we have won this war? And how would the world react? Would Britain do nothing? Would Stalin jump in? Would Hitler cut across Belgium, risking dragging in British?
>czech
>backwards commie shithole
you sound confused
fuck off
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Slavs shouldn't exist, sorry.
And yet we are the second strongest people in history right after germanics
then germanics wouldn't exist either
If Czechs and Poles would find common language and create some defensive pact they would be able to stop Hitler. Most of German tanks at the start of WW2 were made in Czech factories.
Thats retarded
Poles had shit army, Czech army was only defensive and Italy and Hungary would probably join in. Also France.
Hungarians would have to be suicidal to join the war while being surrounded but hostile nations. We would see Yugoslavia and Romania joining Poles and Czechs fighting to preserve Versailles world.
how about 2017 fucktard?
>implying you shouldn't see the end of the war as the betrayal since Hitler was trying to save you and your race from marxist genocide by keeping you under his wing
>Poles had shit army
In '38 still stronger than German one.
Yeah, numerically
No, technologically.
Shit, forgot the pic. It's obviously not from '38, but you should get the point.
as a Pole, sorry about our involvement in that old boy, and for '68 aswell
>sorry
>for payback after the shit-eaters backstabbed Poland
why dont czechs like us
>"Why do they persecute me so?" asks the p*le, knee-deep in the blood of eastern europeans he betrayed
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pooland was a mistake
>we were the victimiest of victims while also the most powerful and influential and best at anything ever
t. every eastern yuro nation ever
Williamson Murray wrote an essay, 'The War of 1938', on a hypothetical conflict between Germany and Czechoslovakia if the Munich Agreement never happened
Daily reminder that Silesia belongs to Bohemia
He is right tho. Czechoslovakia was one of the most developed countries in pre-world war 2 Europe with massive industry.
It's certainly not a "commie shithole" now, but commies certainly did their part in fucking up the country.
t. Eternal Kraut
If you thought the treaty was shit why did you agree to them afterwards?
You could've fought like heroes instead of bending the knee like bitches
nice tip
We would fight literally the whole world
Poland was hostile towards Czechoslovakia still salty over the defeat from the days of the founding of the country.
Made quite a few territorial gains at the expense of them after the Munich treaty too.
>Made quite a few territorial gains at the expense of them after the Munich treaty too.
It was accepted by Czech side, better if those territories end up in Poland than Germany.
>Czech army was only defensive
t. Maginotic frog
Czechoslovak army had most automatic weapons per squad and had strategy that relied on defence in the mountain regions and offensives in Austria
There were even plans to make border clashes with Poland and Hungary so Little Entete and SU would get legitime reason to attack Hungary and Poland.
>aliance pact
>Polish majority
>with permission from Czech government
>shaking hands with Krauts is defense against them
There is also nice tetralogy by Jan Drnek, Czech and Slovak bros can find first 3 books on Ulož.to
You mean Germany of course. And the world would immediately help you.
This way you wouldn't be remembered as nazi enablers!
Imagine the bright future of Europe if you didn't pussy out.
>"Let us take Těšínsko or we will attack you."
>"ok"
>"Can you see? Czechs gave us it to protect them against the Germans"
Are you trying to trigger me? Because its working.
I don't know. I'm just telling you like it is.
Just because a bully wants your shit and they go to the jocks and get their consent you shouldn't give the bullies your shit.
In my history books it's called the Teschen region. Is this not right?
Thats a German name for it
If you are a kraut, then yes, but only for you.
That makes sense. Thanks.
Its actually "Cieszyn" :^)
Polaks dont even call it like that nigger.
eh, it wasn't terrible for pre-WWII Europe but it wasn't anywhere close to Western Europe's development. It was more Italy-tier
Germany had vastly superior officers, tactics, equipment, etc.
>trusting the eternal anglo
bad move
I think we wouldn't have been able to beat the Nazis without help from the Soviets, who forcibly imposed communism on Czechoslovakia. So Czechoslovakia would either be a land conquered by the Third Reich or the Soviet Union
Slovakia and Ruthenia were poor af. The Czech part alone would be on Austria-tier.
Seems like Czechoslovakia was poor as fuck.
Italy is alright today, but it needed massive catching up to get there. Even by the 1960s they were still emigrating by the boatload to America and Argentina.
it wasnt, that map is retarded
Of course you must know that both fall far behind Anglos
The problem is that Prague and the rest of Bohemia are wealthy as fuck, but the rest including Slovakia is commie-level poor. Visit Prague if you want proof, there are a lot of very rich people there with high-end real estate, lots of profitable industries etc.
>commie-level poor.
"commie level" is turning Slovakia from agriculutral capitalist shithole into the economicaly powerful country
Churchill called Poland "the hyena of Europe", Poland in 1938 TOGETHER with Hitler's Germany took part in invasion of Czeckoslovakia and the partition of it - Poland grabbed and annexed Zaolzie region from Czeckoslovakia with more then 250 000 population and rich in coal deposites and mines
>Zaolzie
Which was full of Polacks and had always been and was seized by the Czechs when the Poles were tied up fighting the Polish-Soviet War.
The lack of a pre-WWII Polish-Czechoslovak alliance was primarily due to the Czechs trying to play both ends against each other, thinking they could somehow remain neutral by courting both the French and British as well as the Germans and Soviets.
Your economy was kept afloat by the hardworking industrial Sudetenland Germans in your country.
When you chimped out and started persecuting them, prompting Hitler's intervention, and then went full genocide mode on them in 1945, you removed the only productive factor in your country.
Now you're left with nothing but shit-tier slavs, lazy drunkards, degenerate whore women, and an economy fueled by porn and prostitution.
Enjoy.
Another slavic "country" that leached off of German culture for centuries and was more well known for a minor Celtic tribe that lived there centuries before. Such an illustrious country that was mistaken for being the homeland of Gypsies. Why didn't French and English people voltunteer to die for an obscure breakaway German province?
It's also a mystery as to why the strong Czech army didn't defend it's country's proud heritage. They did so well against German civilians after the war. Is your nation going to continue to fracture into even more tiny countries, shouldn't Moravians be free from the yoke of Czechian oppresion?
>Full of Polacks
there were 56% Czechs on that territory that was annexed in 1938, there was also significant German minority
>was seized by the Czechs when the Poles were tied up fighting the Polish-Soviet War.
Dank meme, except that Polish-Bolshevik war started 2 months later
>Your economy was kept afloat by the hardworking industrial Sudetenland Germans in your country.
top kek
>started persecuting them
This is what sudetekrauts actualy bealive
>full genocide mode on them in 1945
Should have been sent to Siberia as a gift to Stalin fior liberation instead of letting them live and leave
>was more well known for a minor Celtic tribe that lived there centuries before
Czechs are Celt amirite
>Such an illustrious country that was mistaken for being homeland of gypsies
Are you literally retarded? They got their name because they were passing by this country.
>It's also a mystery as to why the strong Czech army didn't defend it's country's proud heritage.
"What is Munich treaty"
>They did so well against German civilians after the war.
Yesm, we should have killed them all
>shouldn't Moravians be free from the yoke of Czechian oppresion?
You are literall austist, taking Moravian !independence" "movement" is liek taking seriously Sealand.
face it, allies didn't give a shit about any of eastern european countries
Bratislava/Pressburg region is far richer than anything in Czechia outside of Prague. That includen Pilsen, Brno and all of those other meme cities.
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The Munich treaty was justified, what happened after it was not
|Capital and economic centre of country is richer than second grade towns and territories in some other country! How did this happened?
Citation needed
Citation needed for what?
>The Munich treaty was justified
Look at the map
>moving to another country makes that country yours!
Remind me why you object to Arabs and Africans moving into Europe?
emigrating somehwere and then wanting to get annexed by your "forrmer country" isnt legitime
Living their for hundreds of years make it yours.
*there
>niggers have been living in Atlanta for centuries so Atlanta should be annexed by Nigeria
The niggers in Atlanta do not identify as Nigerians
Doesn't matter what they identify as. They're guests there, they don't get to make the rules.
interesting, should be Lužice anexed by Czechoslovakia in exchange because Sorbs lived there?
Ancestors of those Krauts sworn loyalty to the Czech kings, they cant say its their 800 or so years later.
>should be Lužice anexed by Czechoslovakia in exchange because Sorbs lived there?
If the people living there would want that, yes.
>Ancestors of those Krauts sworn loyalty to the Czech kings
They never actually broke that oath, it was the Czechs who disbanded the kingdom.
>They never actually broke that oath, it was the Czechs who disbanded the kingdom.
Nice trips, and that's a good point. French faggots also sperg out and fail to comprehend the obligations to the French monarchy (such as American debt) don't apply to the French republic which literally overthrew the monarchy.
They sworn allegiance to the leader of Kingdom of Bohemia, it doesnt matter than kingdom type of government got disbanded. Also they were althought with Hungarians those that betrayed the Kaiser in WW1.
>you own a house
>someone comes to your house and kick you out
>now the guy who kicked you out is literally you, because he's in the same house
The legitimate leader of Bohemia was the Bohemian king, aka Karl I of the House of Habsburg.
>They sworn allegiance to the leader of Kingdom of Bohemia, it doesnt matter than kingdom type of government got disbanded.
Was this stated in the oath? I doubt it.
>you, Přemysl Otakar II. King of Bohemia invite Krauts to settle in mountainous regions
>they sworn allegiance to you and future generations of leaders of Czech lands
>WW1 happens
>Sudetenkrauts start shilling for annexion by Germany while blaming Czechs for betraying the Monarchy
>you loose the war due to them and Hungarians
>sudetenkrauts revolt, trying to get annexed by Germany again
>start with banditry and terrorism
>get butthurt because legitime Czechoslovak government is resisting
People in medieval had no idea about that in the future republics will replace monarchies, it applies on guy that rules over the Czech Lands
>abolish the monarchy
>abolish all aristocracy
>abolish the claim of the rightful king
>label monarchists and supporters of the king as traitors and fifth column
>get pissed when someone breaches an oath to a monarchy you abolished
It's pretty fucking retarded when you think about it. The basis for the existence of Czechoslovakia was hardline republicanism, anti-monarchism and the Wilsonian self-determination meme. And Czechoslovakia ignored even that when Sudeten Germans petitioned them to join Austria instead, so much for self-determination.
>People in medieval had no idea about that in the future republics will replace monarchies
and therefore they only swore an oath to the king, too bad.
>it applies on guy that rules over the Czech Lands
Just saying that doesn't make it true, give me hard evidence.
>abolish the monarchy
If you bealive that Karl was rightful king, Mnarchy was never abolished, therefore Sudetenkrauts betrayed him by revolting even against the republic in 1938
It doesnt even matter anymore since they are all gone, punished for both betrayals, first in 1914-1918 and second in 1938
Well it's like claiming the Confederate States betrayed the British empire by betraying someone who betrayed the British empire. If that's what you claim then okay.
btw beneš wanted to give them autonomy in 1938, which was their official demand, but they refused because Shitler told them to
>If you bealive that Karl was rightful king, Mnarchy was never abolished, therefore Sudetenkrauts betrayed him by revolting even against the republic in 1938
What? You are not making any sense
If you bealive that "God appointed the king" or something like that, Karl was still a king in 1938 (or to be more correct, Otto)
Yes but Otto did not lead the republic
Yes, but he lead the kingdom that still axisted according to the monarchistic laws.
It did not exist in real life and thats the only thing that really matters. You can't betray it if it doesn't exist.
This is actually a very interesting subject. I know that Hungarians betrayed Karl as the Hungarian king by annulling the Pragmatic Sanction (basically claiming Maria Theresa was an illegitimate ruler and so were her heirs), and the Habsburgs were forced to renounce their claim on the Austrian crown by the Austrian republic so they could participate in Austrian politics.
But as for Bohemian crown, I have no fucking idea. Have they ever renounced it?
>Have they ever renounced it?
They appear to have renounced it or atleast stopped using it at the same time they renounced the austrian title.
>Your economy was kept afloat by the hardworking industrial Sudetenland Germans in your country.
Kek, Germans did nothing except for acting like autistists
>When you chimped out and started persecuting them
"""Persecuting""" them, you mean how Czechoslovak army BTFO them when goverment got sick of their shit?
>went full genocide mode on them in 1945
Oh yes, infamous Czechoslovak death camps for G*rmans, everyone knows about that. Except that didn't happen and G*rmans got only what they deserved, lol.
>removed the only productive factor in your country
WE. WUZ. PRODUCTIVE. AND. SHIEEEET
>Now you're left with nothing but shit-tier slavs,
top kek
>breakaway German province
>Bohemia was never part of German Empire before ww2
>???
>Dank meme, except that Polish-Bolshevik war started 2 months later
War started later, but hostilities and fights started long before Czechoslovakian invasion.
It was a part of both the German Confedaration and the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation
you should kill yourself french idiot
Only reason Czechs were more productive than other slavs was because they were more germanized and many germans lived there.
Also it was Germany who build you up after the fall of Soviet Union, so show some fucking respect
Czech industry was the heart of Austria-Hungary. Like he said, you should kill yourself, you french inbred.