>Transform Russia's socialist economy into a capitalist market economy.
>Made the right choice in bombing and storming the Supreme Soviet of Russia Stopping Alexander Rutskoy and Ruslan Khasbulatov from turning Russia into a fucking communist state again.
>Finally allowing privatization of Russia's state-owned assets, ensuring a quick dismantling of the Soviet-era command economy to make way for free market reforms.
>Whoring out the Motherland. >Good. May he burn in hell
Elijah Murphy
He was the CIA's useful idiot.
Justin Jones
>singlehandedly kill Russia's new republic in less than a decade after like fifty years of buildup
nah
The best you can argue is that collapse was inevitable.
Aaron Allen
Soviet economy was dependent on oil exports. They never recovered grain production to Imperial levels. Every time someone tried to reform the economy to be more market driven. They were replaced by a hardliner and the economy went more command driven. They rode a good thing with the price of oil going ever higher after ww2. It allowed them to import food. Then the oil glut of the 1980s happened. suddenly they could not buy food with oil.
Benjamin Green
>Rigged elections >Allowed a murderous oligarchy to rise up >Corrupt privatization of state assets >Economy of Russia shrank during his entire government, culminating in a debt crisis >High inflation >Sky-high insane crime >Balkanization >Appointed Putin in exchange for immunity from prosecution >IMF debt >AIDS crisis >Turned the already shitty Soviet Union into a Mexico-tier third world shithole
He was a terrible ruler and strangled Russian democracy on its cradle. Compare with the way privatizations were carried out in the Czech Republic or the Baltics (cleaner, orderly, with rule of law, gradual) and you can see how different Russia's fate could have been.
James Butler
>Appointed Putin in exchange for immunity from prosecution
The old Garcia/Fujimori gambit, I see.
Oliver Jones
>never recovered grain production to Imperial levels are you for real? God damn Stalin was a fuckup.
Brayden Perez
the only way to prevent all that from happening. was to not overthrow Gorbachev and allow him to reform the economy.
China went from gommunism to state capitalism in the 90s. Now they're pretty much the most powerful nation on the planet.
Lincoln Rogers
Imperial Russia was a grain exporting super power. Russian grain production and exports didn't return to imperial levels until just a few years ago.
yeah that fucked up. they went from serfs and peasants with horse drawn farm equipment producing the same levels as modern mechanized farming. To basically starving and importing food during the soviet era.
Stalin's collectivization program got rid of most of the middle class farmers that knew what they were doing. What they were producing during Stalin's time was being exported for hard currency. So he could build up heavy industry. Stalin and later commies kept moving everyone into the cities. So you had very urban nations trying to be fed by very few people in the country side. Political appointments were put in charge of farming. They destroyed the Aral Sea to irrigate desert. To grow fucking Cotton for export. They had so much cotton. they were using it to make composite material for car bodies.
Brody Hughes
>YFW Soviets opposition tried to stop all of this but failed in the constitutional crisis of 1993.
Mason James
He was a dumbass. Communism is cancer but post-Soviet countries were mostly (excluding the Baltics) pure chaos and state sanctioned looting. A slow transition to capitalism a la China is far more effective, and they didn't even have to give up their authritarian government. Completely mishandled the privatizations, privatized shit that they shouldn't have (rails, electricity) only to re-nationalise them again because their new executives didn't know how to run a private business, gave up and just resorted to looting them, leaving their shareholders to the wolves and causing a disastrous economic crisis. The old USSR was doomed to fail, but it could have been handled so much better that people didn't even realise it had failed, like how the People's Republic is actually a capitalist authoritan nationalist state without going through a regime change and losing half of its territory and economy.
Josiah Gomez
The regime change was inevitable because of the intense public opposition to the communist party, and the much stronger demands for ideological purity from within the party.
Benjamin Brown
Soviet grain production was far higher than Imperial grain production levels by the end of the USSR, the reason why they had shortages was because their population and food consumption rose faster than grain production did. Grain production in the USSR was 65 million tons per year in 1946-1950, and it was 205 million tons per year in 1976-1980. Imperial Russian grain production was 69,450,000 tons in 1913. Communist agricultural production was disappointing and dysfunctional, but it wasn't so bad that they didn't surpass 1913 production.
Luis Morris
Not an argument.
Ryan Lewis
>le Soviets ruined Imperial civilization meme Food shortages and famine weren't unique to the Soviet era.
Owen Parker
t. Molymeme cultist
Asher Collins
how is it not an argument
Grayson Robinson
Communism causes Famine.
John Gray
Kekov
Christian Long
90% Gorby's fault.
Yeltsin was just a village drunk who somehow got forced into a position of power and was ruthless enough to out-Russian the rest.
Suffice to say, he had the impossible presidency.
Luis Rodriguez
False.
USSR grain production was higher than the Russian empires from 1949 to 1987.
Exports, you are correct.
Now don't forget that the Russian Empire was larger than the USSR.
Oliver Howard
Famine causes Communism
Isaiah Gonzalez
Anyone know any good textual sources that cover Russia post 1990, especially the privatization, the rise of the oligarchs, and then Putinism?
Ryan Thompson
I'm particularly interested in learning about what exact mechanisms the oligarchs used to gain their wealth, and then just exactly where the fuck Putin came from and how went from being an almost complete unknown to #1 guy in the country.
Angel Rivera
But I said nothing about communism and famines. I said that the USSR managed to exceed Imperial Russian grain production
I don't think the USSR (or whatever it became) could've gone the China route.. In China, people are just sought of okay with the party, the only real opposition is in places like Hong Kong that have experienced democracy. In the USSR, the communist party ended up being hated, nationalism arose later on because their problems weren't being heard, and leaving the union altogether seemed like a better option. Even then, most soviet citizens wanted to preserves some kind of union (again, excluding the Baltic countries) which Russia is probably trying to work towards with the Eurasian Union. Nonetheless, this transition required a good and competent and charismatic leader that the Russians or some new Union could get behind, while Yeltsin was just a drunken embaressment.
Brody Butler
Since we're on the subject... could someone explain to me what caused the 90s hyperinflation in Russia?
David Brown
Better read Gaydar "The fall of empire" to better understand the general WTF? of the impotence of planned economy and its lasting impact on all socio-economic proceses. Basic breakdown: >ruble wasn't backed by anything >all infurustructure was unmanageble >people were negatively selected for seventy years to be apathetic lazybums with no spine >no nationalist elites >jews everywhere in the higher echelons of power >nothing to export besides raw materials
The tragedy is that USSR did not collapse because of "brave democratic reformers", it collapsed under the weight of its own corpse. And what emerged was a lot of picrelated. just like Afghanistan is not going to be "the land of the gardens", Russia is not going to be anything sane in for a long time.
Ryan Russell
economics Shock Therapy.
Luis Jones
>I'm particularly interested in learning about what exact mechanisms the oligarchs used to gain their wealth
It was just good old ethnic nepotism. Almost all of the people who were in charge of Russian privatization program were Jewish, and they gave control over a huge part of Russia's natural resources to other Jews for virtually nothing. During the 90s, 7 oligarchs controlled around 50% of Russia's economy, and all of them were Jewish.
Luis Jenkins
GAYDAR LMAO
Nathaniel Howard
Sounds like anti-Semitic meme. What about some names?
Austin Collins
What is antisemetic about it?
Gabriel Fisher
It implies some Jewish conspiracy.
So, I've read a bit about this and apparently 6 out of 7 big oligarchs were indeed Jewish. But the guys responsible for this were Yegor Gaidar (I don't know if he was Jewish or not) and Anatoly Chubais (Jew).
It's still surprising that so many of them were Jews.
Brandon Peterson
>rigged the 1996 election >presided over a massive decline in ordinary Russians' standard of living
Glad you guys aren't going "not real capitalism" with Yeltsin, it makes it easy to prove how your proposed economic system is a fucking disaster.
Anthony Moore
And again jew is not a race, they are just converst
Its amazin that you idiots think there is a conspiracy agaisnt your people
Ian Russell
But it wasn't real capitalism
Asher Hernandez
>Is loved by all people except commies. Are you kidding me? Yeltsin is the most hated head of state since the 20th century, even Gorbachev is more popular among Russians.
Julian Thompson
People conspire every moment of every day.
Liam Williams
>Transform Russia's socialist economy into a capitalist market economy. And how did that end for Russian?
Parker Ward
The seven oligarchs who had an enormous control over Russia's government and economy were Boris Berezovsky, Mikhail Khodorkovsky, Mikhail Fridman, Petr Aven, Vladimir Gusinsky, Vitaly Malkin and Vladimir Potanin. This group of oligarchs was known as "Semibankirschina", and Potanin was the only goy among them. The people who were the primary engineers of Russia's privatization program were Anatoly Chubais and Yegor Gaidar, both of whom are Jewish, and they were assisted by the World Bank (it's head at that time was a Jew, James Wolfensohn) and the US Department of Tresury (it's head at that time was also a Jew, Robert Rubin).
William Morgan
>Yegor Gaidar (I don't know if he was Jewish or not)
His grandmother, Rakhel Solomyanskaya, was a Jew, and his wife, Arkady Strugatsky's daughter, was half-Jewish
Abomination that happened in the middle ages because of power vacuum that shouldnt have ever existed
Evan Thompson
This, gorbachev and the rest of the party for that matter did not do enough to stop yeltsin and his movement. The party was too opposed to gorbi's reforms and allowed yeltsin to gain popularity over him. Well Russia isnt commie anymore but its way more corrupt, weaker, and tensions with the west are arguably worse now.
Thomas Butler
>grandmother That doesn't really makes him a Jew. But thanks for information. It's pretty impressive. What about modern oligarchs, are they also Jewish?
Connor Cruz
>I'm particularly interested in learning about what exact mechanisms the oligarchs used to gain their wealth Buying up privatization tickets from uneducated population. You could have a share in this factory that means literally nothing at the moment since factory isn't even working. Or you could get a leather coat for this ticket instead or a bottle of vodka.
If you had even a mild capital to work with you could become a factory owner overnight.
Cooper Sanchez
He was a hilarious drunk. I've never seen a head of state so shitfaced. youtu.be/v9YnDirqwT4
Luis Rivera
difference is
when you have food shortages and famine during communism. it is because of government mismanagement.
where as when it happens outside of communism. it is because of natural forces.
the only time the USA had a massive crop failure, was the Dust Bowl. Which was caused by government encouraging over production of grains in marginal lands.
Aaron Murphy
Some of them have Israeli citizenship, yes.
Joseph Lopez
>What about modern oligarchs, are they also Jewish?
A lot of them are, particularly Leonid Mikhelson (Russia's richest citizen), Mikhail Fridman, Viktor Vekselberg, Arkady Rotenberg, German Khan, Roman Abramovich, Oleg Deripaska, Viatcheslav Moshe Kantor and so on. However, not all Russian billionaires of Jewish origin are corrupt oligarchs. For example, Yuri Milner seems to be a rare exception, but most of the other rich Russian Jews are certainly involved in illegal activities.
Aiden Evans
Good
Alexander Bell
>china >pretty much the most powerful nation on the planet "no"
Leo Sanders
They still use 1914 figures for Russian economics Source Russian aristocrat friend
Jonathan Brown
I've always gotten the impression that China is a total paper tiger.
Camden Russell
What are you a filthy communist?
Isaiah Morris
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Jackson Williams
Antisemitism is wron-
Mason Williams
It is.
No wonder Russians like Putin so much.
Lincoln Jackson
Shit. Can't blame them for wanting the USSR back
Andrew Torres
I've got more senpai
GDP of Russia
Aaron Taylor
Average caloric intake in 1985. (When Gorbachev came to power)
Aiden Thomas
Average caloric intake in 1999. (When Yeltsin resigned)
Gorbachev-Yeltsin tandem absolutely destroyed Russia, all under Western and IMF advice. Do you understand now why Russia mistrusts the West?
Anthony Turner
It was all necessary to ensure Communism will never take root and to ensure Russia will never challenge American Supremacy
Joseph Foster
What
Noah Lewis
>he doesn't know why it is called Soviet UNION
Sebastian Torres
He was a weak president which is why he was a "good Russian" to the Americans.
Of course he was also a godsent for all nations subjugated by the Russians. Thanks to him some countries could join NATO and throw out Russian troops from their land. If more competent but similarly friendly presidents followed him the world would look much dufferent today. During Yeltsin's time for the first time in ages it seemed as if Russia can be an actual partner not a threat to everyone.
Julian Smith
Was Boris in the right disbanding the Parliament in 1993?
Carter Reed
Soviets fed grain to cows to get the meat consumption up hence shortages.
Eli Watson
Bear in mind that numbers from before Glasnost are probably inflated to conceal systemic failures. One of tragic ironies of Glasnost is that, by allowing the media to report bad things, it created the impression that things had been better before.
Nathan Hughes
Russia needs to be destroyed for its own good t.b.h.
From the Czars to today nothing good ever came of it.
Ian Watson
Yeltsin was good. He made Russia our bitch
Ethan Johnson
This
Chase Bell
And what was the natural force of the immediate post-soviet period
Hudson Morris
>for once everyone cares about the constitution and constitutions in general >Yeltsin ends the spirit in the same way the previous Soviets did: with tanks
Jacob Hughes
Don't forget. >Western countries cheer for this
Joshua Long
>wat are these words >man they are too hard i cant understand :O >your just a filthy communist
Gabriel Jackson
>In 1993, a majority of Russians considered the events of 1993 Russian constitutional crisis as an attempt of Communist revanche or as a result of Rutskoy and Khasbulatov seeking personal power. Ten years thereafter, it became more common to see the cause of those events in the resolution of Yeltsin's government to implement the privatization program, which gave large pieces of all-nation property to a limited number of tycoons (later called "oligarchs"), and to which the old Parliament (Supreme Soviet) was the main obstacle.
>YFW Communist opposition tried to stop all of this but failed.
Why didn't the Russians listen to them? All of that suffering could have been prevented
Jonathan Barnes
Holy shit no
Yeltsin was a stooge for Western capital who gutted his own country and inaugurated a period of societal depression and economic instability from which Russia has still not recovered.
Yeltsin's policies turned Russia into an aimless and impoverished failed state controlled by literal gangsters and Western millionaires. Only the most mindlessly ideological liberal could view his policies as a success
Dylan King
>the doctor is doing an awful job treating this gunshot wound >you know what would help? >more bullets
There is literally no situation that a well determined communist can not make worse.
Parker Adams
Whoo boy
First, I'm going to have to meme here, so sorry about that.
>Through the late summer and fall of 1991, as the Soviet state fell apart, Harvard Professor (((Jeffrey Sachs))) and other (((Western economists))) participated in meetings at a dacha outside Moscow where young, pro-Yeltsin reformers planned Russia’s economic and political future. (((Sachs))) teamed up with Yegor Gaidar, Yeltsin’s first architect of economic reform, to promote a plan of “shock therapy” to swiftly eliminate most of the price controls and subsidies that had underpinned life for Soviet citizens for decades. Shock therapy produced more shock–not least, hyperinflation that hit 2,500 percent–than therapy. One result was the evaporation of much potential investment capital: the substantial savings of Russians. By November 1992, Gaidar was under attack for his failed policies and was soon pushed aside. When Gaidar came under seige, (((Sachs))) wrote a memo to one of Gaidar’s principal opponents, Ruslan Khasbulatov, Speaker of the Supreme Soviet, then the Russian parliament, offering advice and to help arrange Western aid and contacts in the U.S. Congress.
So (((Sachs))) turned on Gaidar using him as a patsy for failure so the even more desperate Russians would rely on him for "economic advice and aid"
Leo Edwards
Cont.
AND IT GETS WORSE
>H.I.I.D. had supporters high in the Administration. One was (((Lawrence Summers))), himself a former Harvard economics professor, whom Clinton named Under Secretary of the Treasury for International Affairs in 1993. (((Summers))), now Deputy Treasury Secretary, had longstanding ties to the principals of Harvard’s project in Russia and its later project in Ukraine.
>(((Summers))) hired a Harvard Ph.D., David Lipton (who had been vice president of (((Jeffrey D. Sachs))) and Associates, a consulting firm), to be Deputy Assistant Treasury Secretary for Eastern Europe and the Former Soviet Union. After (((Summers))) was promoted to Deputy Secretary, Lipton moved into (((Summers’s))) old job, assuming “broad responsibility” for all aspects of international economic policy development. Lipton co-wrote numerous papers with (((Sachs))) and served with him on consulting missions in Poland and Russia. “Jeff and David always came [to Russia] together,” said a Russian representative at the International Monetary Fund. “They were like an inseparable couple.” (((Sachs))), who was named director of H.I.I.D. in 1995, lobbied for and received U.S.A.I.D. grants for the institute to work in Ukraine in 1996 and 1997.
>(((Andrei Shleifer))), a Russian-born émigré and already a tenured professor of economics at Harvard in his early 30s, became director of H.I.I.D.’s Russia project. (((Shleifer))) was also a protégé of (((Summers))), with whom he received at least one foundation grant. (((Summers))) wrote a promotional blurb for Privatizing Russia (a 1995 book co-written by Shleifer and subsidized by H.I.I.D.) declaring that “the authors did remarkable things in Russia, and now they have written a remarkable book.”