Uncovering the African Presence in Medieval Europe

The BBC is revising history to suit its own anti-White narrative. So claimed a commenter at the right-wing website Biased BBC. The object of their ire: the 2017 three-part BBC drama-documentary of the Norman conquest of England, 1066: A Year to Conquer England. The reason for this critique is that, in this series, Robert de Beaumont, one of William the Conqueror’s main aides, was played by an actor, Jotham Annan, who is black.

The historical Robert was not of African descent. But the BBC’s portrayal raises a question: were sub-Saharan African people present in medieval Europe? The answer is yes.

The absence of Africans in many medieval sources does not necessarily mean that they were completely absent from society. It instead reflects the interests and priorities of the author. Europeans travelled to Africa; the reverse should be expected.

Major European cities were never homogenous; a wide range of peoples of all shades were coming and going all the time.

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Wait, so because sub-saharan Africans are absent in medieval sources, they must have been prevalent in medieval life?

>There is zero evidence of it
>But it must be true
The people that make shit up to pretend they have evidence at least show an effort, this is just lazy.

Just like there were Europeans in Africa at that time.

This isn't all that controversial.

yeah there were like 5000 europeans in africa tops. Not permanent residents either. Garbage pop-history

>The answer is yes.
>The absence of Africans in many medieval sources does not necessarily mean that they were completely absent from society.
genius.

>being triggered by black people in historical reconstructions
Sorry Meryl Streep, unless a boy in a wig plays Katherina it's not real Shakespeare.

>Europeans travelled to Africa; the reverse should be expected.
Why?

>Europeans travelled to Africa; the reverse should be expected

Does anyone have literally one example of this happening post-Rome and pre-Age of Discovery. Not northern Africa, subsaharan Africa like they say in the article.

>Brutus killed Caesar; the reverse should be expected

It's garbage history to examine the impact of the 5000 Europeans on Africa?

this is going to be a fun thread

Just fucking google it.
decodedpast.com/evidence-medieval-black-history-england/5433

Norther Africans, yes. Negroids no.

God made a huge desert wall to black negroids from north Africa

>r9k is awkwardly apart from the main group

>Black
meant block lmao

>it's another Anglo revisionist media take France's history and give it to black brits episode

I thought BF1 would be the last one but apparently not...

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DICE is Swedish.

>one person

Wow, amazing, what a rich history of African presence in England.

Nobody is saying there were absolutely no black people in Europe ever in medieval times. If Mansa Musa could have passed through north Africa, there's no reason to think wealthy merchants from Mali or Songhai couldn't have crossed the Med to trade in Genoa or Venice or any other coastal city. Muslim trade networks and states in Africa's eastern coast extended from Egypt down to Zanzibar, some dude from those parts could have traveled all the way to Europe.

The point is that these were so small in number as to be negligible, and as such don't """need""" representation in media.

>be historian
>find out there is 1 black guy in europe during medieval time
>probably a gift from merchant or a sultan
>EUROPE WAS ALWAYS DIVERSE IMPORT 10 GAZILLONS BLACK PEOPLE NOW

>Europeans travelled to Africa; the reverse should be expected

Indeed, because Africans are totally equal to European, right?
European built massive palaces, so the same should be expected from Africans
Europeans colonized the Americas, so the same should be expected from Africans

Almost like there's some kind of agenda.

Well, pro-black does not mean anti-white.

Whats so bad if you give black kids some heroic historic figures as role models instead of Gangster Rappers?

The WE WUZ KANGZ-movement is probably the best thing that has happened to blacks. They are finally trying to civilize themselves. And the first step towards that is admiring creators of civilization, instead of degenerate "artists" like Gangster Rappers.

One person is enough to prove the article's statement that
>The absence of Africans in many medieval sources does not necessarily mean that they were completely absent from society. It instead reflects the interests and priorities of the author. Europeans travelled to Africa; the reverse should be expected.
That was the point in contention in the posts I replied to. Either way, what "needs" representation is entirely subjective, the BBC is a company that can do whatever it wants with its public and private revenue.

Can't find a scene I saw of Doctor Who where he time travels to Edwardian(?) London and there's black people everywhere, and he says history's a whitewash. Then he steals the joke from "Dogma" about Jesus being black. It's pretty cringe shit.

Wich is owned by EA

>Update
Don't underestimate the ability of the Swede to be cucked in all things.

What does BBC stand for?

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Wich is owned by EA

I was pretty close, thanks. #HistorySoWhite

Your analogy is a little bit incomprehensible, can you clearly state what you wanted to say?

Eh, so what? He's an actor.

THIS, must be troll reasoning.
Your proof is an illuminated initial?
There is no good evidence that there was a black presence in England before Tudor times, the interpretation of bone fragments is dubious and clearly politically motivated.
Even with the 'elite' African woman they found who supposedly lived in Roman York, there evidence is that her skull looks a bit black and she had an ivory bangle with her.
That's literally the best evidence these guardian reading post-menopausal corbynites have.

Imagine if a historical show was set in ancient China and one of the main Chinese figures was inexplicably played by a white man.

I find the idea that we can just clutch at a few straws and rewrite history when it suits us deeply unsettling

Just 30 years ago or so virtually every historivc muvie had only white actors, regardless of the setting

>The absence of Africans in many medieval sources does not necessarily mean that they were completely absent from society.
>The absence of Inuits etc...
>The absence of Abbos etc...
>The absence of Reptilians etc...
Damn, the society must have been really diverse back then.

Shit would be weird for sure.

The reverse shouldn't be expected. If there's evidence of Sub-Saharan Africans traveling regularly to Europe, that's one thing, but it's not a logical necessity that follows from Europeans traveling to Sub-Saharan Africa.

> one of the main Chinese figures was inexplicably played by a white man
Reading comprehension wasn't your strong suit I take it?

The absence of miracles in modern societies does not necessarily mean that God is completely absent from society.

ATHEISTS BTFO

Okay?

It's horrifying but unsurprising.

who are the ones running in the background? /sp/? Veeky Forums?

(in)Bred British Cucks

It's passive revisionism. The BBC is obsessed with forcing ethnic minorities into historically English roles, we've had Queen Anne "portrayed" by a black woman in the past in a "historical drama".

Throw in the number of minorities in the country today, add to that the total lack of actual education on our national history, and it's not hard to find people being raised to believe that Britain, particularly England, was "always like this" The very idea that we were ever a "white" country is being erased. I'll get called /pol/ for it, but we've got to ask why this is happening.

your point?

>European mercenaries searching for black powder become embroiled in the defense of the Great Wall of China against a horde of monstrous creatures.
>Imagine if a historical show was set in ancient China and one of the main Chinese figures was inexplicably played by a white man.

Can you see the difference?

This movie has actual monsters in it.

Most of Veeky Forums, supports the BBC's position. So do most American progressives.

I'd love for them to make a document about some black historical event - like the war with the Zulus and make some of the Zulus blonde whites running around in their underpants with wooden shields chucking spears at the mixed British army consisting of a few blacks, asians and native americans.. Fucking would be hilarious.

Dude absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence lmao!!1!1

>history is a whitewash
why do they think there's a conspiracy about the existence of blacks in europe in medieval times (1800 in this case)
why would it be whitewashed
why are they blackwashing it now
just why

You are calling Dr. Who a historical show?

>no woman
How paternalist are you?

>I'll get called /pol/ for it
That's the problem with modern race discussions, political correctness has just become racism in a new form.

THE EUROPEANS IN THE WALL ARE MERCENARIES FROM EUROPE AND NOT MEANT TO DEPICT NATIVE ASIANS JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

The Africans in Dr. Who are merchants from Africa and not meant to depict native Europeans

Blacks will never amount to anything as long as they cling to their identity as black. I think caesar is incredible and he spent his life annihilating "my people".

Really?
Watch this scene 1810s Africans were slaves, not upper class with top hats

>merchants from Africa
More like slaves at that time.

And Europeans in China were mearchants or preachers, not warriors who fight monsters

Well, I felt that was pretty stupid. If audiences cant identify with a Chinese character they dont deserve movies set in medieval china unless the title character is Marco Polo

Burger here, where there black slaves in England itself?

The problem with the BBC as that when it wants to introduce diversity into it's media (not an outright 'bad' thing). It literally just means "more black people." They never talk about : "Hey, lets have a chinese dr. who." Or "why can't his assistant be Punjabi?" It's just 'lets make everyone african.' It's box ticking and very very insensitive to the actual diversity of the country.

my understanding is there isn't much diversity in England outside the big cities

Nobody would care if his hair color wasn't historically accurate. Only a racist would care about the color of his skin. You racists.

Hair isnt the same as race, faggot

Roman empire fell in 1450, age of discovery started in 1490

i think this would be annoying for any black kid that ends up reading up on the subjects

>Black people were in Britain since ancient times contributing to society!
>Apologise for your treatment of black people whitey!

If Britain was always diverse then aren't all races equally to blame for British imperialism?

its a little weird the narrative on multiracialism and multiculturalism is shifting from "historically our countries were homogeneous and racist, and that's bad" to "historically our countries were always multicultural and multiracial and you're a racist if you think differently"

>byzantine empire
>rome
o i am laffin

Get out

Noble kanglishmen

Why are niggers so loved by (((them))) anyway?
I mean, in the US there are twice as many spics as there are niggers, and in Britain there are three times as many pakis as there are noggers
Yet in movies and such from these two countries, it's always niggers who get to be (over)represented

Because it's a lie you deceit cuck

what is your reasening?

If a fantasy movie shows a white mercenary in china then all historicly accurate shows and documentaries need to lie and tell people large numbers of blacks were present in times when there were no blacks living in the region?

Yeah but the current elite thinks blacks fall behind because they're underrepresented in media rather than in three digit IQs. So they need special care to have the stereotypes they're subjected to by disempowered racists in order to overcome the structural racism of a system that gives them free stuff while asking only mild obedience to the law in return, bigot

Jews and Niggers are both peoples that nobody likes.

fall of the roman empire - fall of western rome
Fall of the byzantine empire - fall of eastern rome

What are you even doing on Veeky Forums

My reasoning is that you have no problem with white people in chinese fantasy movies, but you have a problem with black people in european fantasy movies.
This shows that you don't care about historical accuracy, you are just a racist

Freed ones yes, there were a few famous ones in the the 18th century

i had no problem with the movie black knight eithere the point of fantasy movies is it is fantasie when you bring historicly accurate shows and documentaries in the picture its straight up misinformation. What are you doing on Veeky Forums.

No you're the racist, white people are not allowed to celebrate their history without having to lie and put your people in it. i'd love to see your BLM reaction if they made a historical movie aboutShaka zulu and made him a blue eyed blond haired viking.

And i'm muslim i'm not allowed to be racist in my religion. i'm just being honest, stop white genocide and the blackwashing of white history

His problem isn't that there are black people present, his problem is with how they are ahistorically placed into situations and environments simply for the sake of a diversity quota.

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Bad argument, because the only reason white people are in Chinese movies is so they can market them to the West for more money