Who was the worst Roman Emperor?

>apologies on the behalf of dead emperors
revisionists shouldnt try to correct people. Winning a seige isn't impossible, and falvious orestos inherited the crown of the Roman Empire de jure and defacto which passed down from diocletian's reforms

he literally started the collapse of the empire. those other guys were just responding to the effects set in motion by commodus.

>he literally started the collapse of the empire
The empire that didn't collapse until 1261 years after he died?

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_wars_of_the_Tetrarchy

Perhaps not the worst overall, but Diocletian fucked up here.

In terms of abilities/morals, Elagabalus.
In terms of influence, Commodus.

It's hard to say Honorius because he largely held no power. Now he could've done something like Theodosius II did with the Theodosian Law but really it was his generals running the show and not him.

If you want to ignore him, then Caracalla is always a good pick. Galerius is the always an underappreciated choice for terrible empero too and I'd argue Septimius Severus was for betraying Clodius Albinus and being a bad father (which wouldn't have been a problem if he hadn't betrayed Clodius Albinus).

What? The empire never really recovered from the chaos of his reign and death. Might have had a chance if Pertinax had been allowed to reign but the Praetorians were always nothing but whiny, self-interested cunts.

Constantine

>Pertinax

Underappreciated figure in the late 2nd century. He really didn't deserve what happened to him

This, especially how he treated the Praetorian guard.

If we count the Byzantines, the answer would be Alexios III. Biggest scumbag in history. His brother was emperor and treated him well, and he repaid him by not only usurping him but blinding him out of spite, and then completely mismanaging the empire until the crusaders showed up to put him out of his misery.

Comodus was just being a Roman male. Gets Veeky Forums, fucks bitches, kills for sport. Sorry if he wasn't a "good" or "competent" or "literate" enough leader for you.

I want pagans to leave.

Too late

The "model" Roman male is someone like Antoninus Pius. A man that lives a simple life, even if he could have a life of luxury, who can control his emotions and motivated by duty in his acts, not by pleasure or money.

Commodus is pretty much the opposite of this.

Even though he was a good Emperor he died in such a ridiculous way that I can't take him seriously

the best*

its amazin that with all the problems the roman empire and later the ERE and still the sassanids couldnt conquer the levant and anatolia

its so sad

Julius Caesar

>le edgy post

Because the Sassanids had their own issues in the frontiers of their lands with Hunnics, Turkics, and Arabs for example.

>Honorius and Phocas

These are really the only two that can be considered. One doomed the west, and the other doomed the Balkans.

>and still the sassanids couldnt conquer the levant and anatolia
Jovian was forced to pay a huge ransom just to get his little tattered Roman army and himself back to Roman lands. Later Shapur II was able to inflict a lot of heavy losses and sackings on Roman lands in Anatolia and near the Caucasus and Levant but wasn't actually able to hold any of it. Still pretty good considering the entirety of the 4th century is basically the Persian Sassanian first golden age.

but that wasnt always, lad
there were times when the only problem was the roman empire/ERE

they didnt conquer arabia, they didnt conquer central asia, they were only focused in the levant and anatolia, why?

if you cant beat them, why not expand and get stronger to be able to beat them?

>I like tyrants who execute people for following the law

they couldnt conquer them, look at the huns, they had ERE shitting their pants

Last western roman emperor was Romulus Augustul I think

the republic was going to fail because it leads to corruption

Darius the great considered a republic for the achaemenids but he came to the conclusion that a republic become very corrupt

more than 1 ruler will want power for himself

He was just a little kid acting as a puppet for another. He wasn't a bad emperor since he had no power at all. He wasn't even executed, but pensioned off and given land in Campania.

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>look at the huns
The Huns got raped by the Persians after two failed invasions of Sassanian lands. The entire impetus and reason why the Huns started attacking both the ERE and WRE was because the Persians were too strong for them.

Also against the Eastern Romans, the Romans literally sheltered behind their walls and it wasn't until the end of the conflict with the Western Romans that the Huns were finally defeated and fragmented.

What the fuck does this have to do with Romans?

He didn't help. Augustus literally had to clean up his loose ends for him. His success was naming Octavian his heir, to what? His fortune from sacking Gaul.

>Herodotus
Yeah probably bullshit

republic lead to corruption
why?
did attila attack the sassanids?
when?

Sudoku.

Elagabalus, i'm not sure if he was the worst but he definitely was a bad one.
What kind of emperor dresses like a girl, gets fucked by men and is proud of it?

It's Pertinax's murder that really makes me wish Augustus had second thoughts about the Praetorians. Well, I guess Sejanus too but Pertinax's death is where it all hits the point of no return.

>they didnt conquer arabia,
What is there to conquer though?

Well there are some trade routes, there were kingdoms and they can make some colonies and port towns

Alexander wanted to conquer arabia

Persian and parthian were only focused in west asia and beyond that, that was their mistake

Wasnt he the emperor that wanted a vagina?

Commodus is the only answer. He took the empire at its height and fucked it up so bad that it could only ever go downhill from there. You can't really blame him for not doing it, buy Marcus Aurelius really should have had him killed.

>t. geta

Hearty kek.

Phokas in a landslide

what emperor didn't want some pussy?

There was an emperor that wanted to change sex

Julius Caesar liked to get fucked by Nicomedes IV, if that counts

But the dressing as a girl part is shameful I agree

the tranny and the one who thought rome falling meant his stupid chicken died

Not Attila's huns, the Sveta Huna (white huns), aka Hephtalites.

Or he could have raised him better. Or he could have appointed someone else to the position, like many other emperors before and after him did.

The sissy twink. Forget his name desu

Maximinus Thrax

Francis II

The one feeding his horse with a golden plate.

>Elagabalus
He didn't hold any actual power.

He was only about 15 when he came to power and real power belonged to his mother, who was a moderate ruler. That's the reason behind why Elagabalus's rule was less detrimental compared to Commodus's.

>What kind of emperor dresses like a girl, gets fucked by men and is proud of it?

Was he, dare I say it, /ouremporer/?

Knowing how Romans felt about masculinity, him being subordinate to his mother might explain why he went down in history as a flaming faggot who loved getting his ass pounded. Romans did nothing but talk shit about each other.
Or I dunno maybe he really did want to be a girl.

He's pretty cute desu

honest question: Why were the Praetorians such fucking cunts, they literally had nothing to do appart from guarding the emperor and living the good life

Elegabalus

Maybe you should check spheres of influence again. Persia did had control there.

And it's not like Alexander wanted to conquer entirety of Arabia. Same reason why Rome never cared about it beyond Arabia Felix.

Yes, that was the guy. Cross-dressed, fucked by men and proud of it.

Rumours with little basis other than political enemies accusing him of that. Especially that being submissive in such relationship is what was shameful, not so for being dominant.

Well Alexander Severus was also a mama's boy and he didn't go down as a flaming fag, just kind of a pussy. In fact, there's a story from when he was a teenager where he got married to some girl for political reasons but it turned out the two of them really liked one another and spent a lot of time together much to the chagrin of Alexander's mother who got the marriage annulled.

Because they did nothing but guard the emperor and live the high life. Now there were lots of good, noble and honorable Praetorian Prefects but by and large, as an organization, they were corrupt and self-interested.

You guys always make excuses and never say that they should have conquered those lands

Also they should have conquered all central asia, they could have make colonies

Stop being retarded.

Praetorians predate the concept and institution of the Emperor's position in Roman society even before Rome transitioned from Republic to Principate. The issue with Praetorians is they became an increasingly lofty and guilded position due to its stationing primarily in Rome or other lavish urban centers of the Empire that corruption continued to creep in.

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>vassal states
>needing to conquer
Did you even looked at the map?

someone was not invited to the baths...

Being a praetorian was the cushiest post in the military. While all the other pedes were out slogging in the mud on the ass end of the world with shoddy beaten down equipment fighting off wave after endless wave of invading barbarians, the praetorians got the finest armor, lived in a city with all the amenities, were paid extremely handsomely, and were privileged by the courts over anyone else.

Feel like raping that bitch? In court it would be your word verses hers, and the judges would not have been about to let one of the emperor's own goons have his good name besmirched by some "lying whore", which was probably prudent politics on the judge's part.

However like all privileged minorities they began abusing it, and had come to expect a nice fat bonus whenever a new emperor was made. When Pertinax took one look at the state of the imperial treasury after Commodus and decided that the praetorian's salaries were already bloated enough, they wanted their gibs-me-dat so they murdered him and auctioned off the empire to the higher bidder.

Of course this pissed off basically everyone and Didius Julianus, the man who bought the purple, soon found himself beset by the regular army, who murdered him and all the praetorians, appointed their own general as emperor, and got that cushy post for itself, and went right back to being shitty overprivileged cunts.

Constantine got rid of them for backing his contender for the throne, and replaced them with imported Germanic soldiers, the palatine guard, whose inability to understand much Latin kept them detached from the public affairs and made them much easier to exploit and control

But we all know that Quintius Cincinnatus was the real ideal Roman Male Model.
We will never forget..

>Constantine got rid of them for backing his contender for the throne, and replaced them with imported Germanic soldiers

Caligula did that, too. After he was killed, his Germans went wild, killing everybody they could get their hands on.

>R*man guardsmen
>routinely bribed in to plots to kill their own emperor of their own race who they're sworn to guard with their life
>proud Germanic Praetorians
>fly in to berserker frenzy when they fail to protect their charge who they swore themselves to, guaranteeing their slaughter in recompense for this failure even though the emperor is a foreigner to them

Telling pagans to leave a Rome thread is like telling fat people to leave an America thread.

>Winning a siege isn't impossible
>Successfully defending a depopulated and utterly massive Constantinople with 7000 soldiers against ~80,000 Ottomans with cannons, ships, and a navy.

Brainlet.

Someone with better arts skills than I should do the Virgin R*man Guardsman and the Chad Germanic Praetorian

Honorius