What did "mongoloids" look like before the mongol conquests? Like for example, the ancestors of the kazakhs...

Known facts =\= wewuzzery

Xiongnu elite graves were loaded with N1c.

Mongolia isn't really Central Asia anyway and never had more than a marginal presence of IE.

1. "Mongoloid" is a term invented by European anthropologists(a bit biased actually) during 19th century, "Mongol" actually is not a race but a tribal name and ethnicity who also is a collective of different tribes.

2. Northern Chinese, Koreans and Southern Japanese(Yayoi / Wu / Korean descendants) share much more similarities to each others than Mongolians, but also share some similarities to Mongolians.

3. Southern Chinese, the other half Japanese(Yayoi and Jomon people mixed) and SE Asians share more similarities than others, more than Mongolians.

4. Western Chinese(Han and minorities admixture) share more similarities to Indo-Europeans and Turks and central Asians than Mongolians.

5.However, you have to remember they're all share more similarities to themselves than outside groups, because they usually intermarry with their own people than outsiders far more often(mainly Han Chinese / Koreans / Japanese to other groups).

>I guess what I'm trying to ask is this: are modern day han chinese mongol rape-babies, or has their appearance over the centuries remained rather undiluted?
Its a wrong question to ask because the references don't match with question.

China didn't exist before Qin, what existed were various ethnic groups warring against each other and calling each other "barbarians" since the earliest recorded history of the area of current day eastern China.

Qin united the major forces playing the Warring States. Thus if you must say, China is a collection of barbarian states. Every state in China is a barbarian state to their neighbor at one point in history.

The culture/people of "mongol" are basically from the Slab Grave Culture sites. They spread east/west/south and became the Mongols/Jurchins/Xiongnu/etc

At various stages of China's history, all those were considered Chinese and non-Chinese. Barbarians and Huaxia. Depending on who's ruling it.

Modern day Han is a melting pot of sort of all those various groups of people under the "Chinese culture". Their appearance is similar not because of rape babies, but rather they all share similar genetics and they've always been on/off been part of the same cultural force.

N1c? They were friggin Karelians? The Finn mongol meme were true then.

>Harold Walter Bailey proposed an Iranian origin of the Xiongnu, recognizing all the earliest Xiongnu names of the 2nd century BC as being of the Iranian type.[9] This theory is supported by turkologist Henryk Jankowski.[10] Central Asian scholar Christopher I. Beckwith notes that the Xiongnu name could be a cognate of Scythian, Saka and Sogdia, corresponding to a name for Northern Iranians.[24][70] According to Beckwith the Xiongnu could have contained a leading Iranian component when they started out, but more likely they had earlier been subjects of an Iranian people and learned from them the Iranian nomadic model.[24]

>In the UNESCO-published History of Civilizations of Central Asia, its editor János Harmatta concludes that the royal tribes and kings of the Xiongnu bore Iranian names, that all Xiongnu words noted by the Chinese can be explained from a Scythian language, and that it is therefore clear that the majority of Hsiung-nu tribes spoke an Eastern Iranian language.[

So basically
>be prehistoric Central Asian
>member of heavy-bearded, aquiline-nosed Yamna, Afanasevo, Andronovo, Tocharian, Scythian, Bactrian, Sogdian
>invent the wheel and chariot
>first to domesticate the horse
>build prehistoric cities
>meet innocent looking Eskimo-like people in the periphery of your civilization, in the tundra
>teach them your ways of the horse and lifestyle, transfer your knowledge and technology
>they adopt and adapt to your Scythian ways
>they expand from their tundra, permafrost territory
>gradually take ownershership of Scythian clay
>for the next couple eons you fail against their onslaughts
>indigigenous Scythians of Asia is now replaced by Mongolids

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiongnu#Genetics

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seima-Turbino_phenomenon

I would have to guess that Turkic people originate from proto-Uralics establishing control over Mongolic and Tungusic people

I always remind myself of this when I see a yellow fever beta talk about "East Aryans".

The white race is the wife of the Uralic race.

>tfw dad is filipino
>have autistic fantasies about herding reindeer and living in a yurt/chum
>find out I have n1c for some unfathomable reason

Fuck off Finnfag N1gger, I know it's you. Threadly reminder that Finnics have been slaves of the Germanic and Slavic races for centuries.
>b-but muh interracial breeding fantasy that totally happened 3000 years ago!!!
Keep your cuckold trash to yourself please.

Actually the last 1000 years of history in northern Europe and Eurasia says the opposite.

quality post :^)

Stop lying, N1c weren't elite, they were common Mongoloids who their R1a masters civilized.

>wah, facts upset me and hurt my agenda

Doesn't change the reality that if you trace back Finnish maternal lines aeons back in time you end up in the Yamna/Corded Ware culture.

R1a males were the cuckolds

Nice fantasy. You might as well jerk off to BBC porn while you're at it.

This
>A recent examination of three skeletons in a Xiongnu elite cemetery in Duurlig Nars revealed a Western Eurasian male with maternal U2e1 and paternal R1a1 haplogroups and two other DNAs: a female with mtDNA haplogroup D4 and a male with Y-haplogroup C3 and mtDNA haplogroup D4 which are Eastern Eurasian origin.
So much for muh N1c elite. It seems that Aryan domination over Mongoloids is a consistent theme throughout history.

I'm not French

THIS WHOLE FUCKING THREAD

Whatever helps you cope, fact of the matter is that N1c is confined to the coldest and most sparsely populated areas of Eurasia and R1a is spread throughout it.

>sample size of two males
>one r1a and one c3

Wow, sure is strong evidence you got there that totally refutes the Egyin Go necropolis N1c.

>Doesn't change the reality that if you trace back Finnish maternal lines aeons back in time you end up in the Yamna/Corded Ware culture.
True, but you could also end up at a lot of other places. Those maternal haplogroups didn't suddenly appear with the rise of the Yamnaya.

Also stop implicating the Yamnaya with this cuckold shit, any mixing that took place between Uralics and Indo-Europeans would have occurred much later and primarily with Indo-Aryans, not PIE.

R1a males live a pitiful existence of shitting and squatting on streets

No one with a sane brain would mistake them for a master race

Yes they actually did.

Proto-Indo-European males had to import females from the Caucasus and Balkans with non-European maternal lines, absent in the Europe north of them and especially the Siberia east of them.

This is the one question that I constantly ask this Finn and never get a proper response to.

If N1c/Uralics were so superior, why were they not able to expand into better regions? If they dominated the supposdely "inferior"" Indo-Europeans, why is it that the Indo-Europeans occupy the best lands while Uralics occupy frozen wastelands in Eurasia?

>R1a males live a pitiful existence of shitting and squatting on streets
Again, whatever helps you cope. It is objective fact, however, that they had more genetic success than N1c males.

>Southern Tribalnigger/Yue mixes.
>"""""original huaxia master race."""""

Again you keep bringing up PIE/Yamnaya, but you know that this is a lie because Uralics only mixed significantly with later Indo-European cultures i.e. the Indo-Aryans. You have admitted this yourself.

>three skeletons
>1 r1a1 ("aryan")
>1 D4 female ("mongolian")
>1 Y-C3 male ("mongolian")

WEW aryan domination

>R1a males live a pitiful existence of shitting and squatting on streets
Which is exactly what N1c "males" were doing before they got civilized by Swedes and Russians.

Either way it isn't N1c domination, that's for sure.

WE WUZ N1C N SHIT

Same autist mongoloid kang in every thread.

Largely a matter of demographics. Europe already had a large settled population when Uralics arrived but when IE started migrating west they met a weakling people without much ability to defend themselves and instantly beat them everywhere without effort.

Proto-Indo-Aryans had Poltavka aka Yamnaya derived maternal lines. Poltavka males were R1b.

The French don't have a bbc fetish like the anglos, they are a lot more about fucking blacks grills. The Italians are the most obsesed with black girls in Yurop, but they like they chocolate from the horn.

>In wonderful savageness live the nation of the Fenni, and in beastly poverty, destitute of arms, of horses, and of homes; their food, the common herbs; their apparel, skins; their bed, the earth; their only hope in their arrows, which for want of iron they point with bones. Their common support they have from the chase, women as well as men; for with these the former wander up and down, and crave a portion of the prey. Nor other shelter have they even for their babes, against the violence of tempests and ravening beasts, than to cover them with the branches of trees twisted together; this a reception for the old men, and hither resort the young. Such a condition they judge more happy than the painful occupation of cultivating the ground, than the labour of rearing houses, than the agitations of hope and fear attending the defense of their own property or the seizing that of others. Secure against the designs of men, secure against the malignity of the Gods, they have accomplished a thing of infinite difficulty; that to them nothing remains even to be wished.

Paleo-Europeans in a nutshell

Completely useless people. I don't know why Stormfront jacks off to these guys.

If their women looked like that then no wonder not even Finnicshits wanted to touch them.

The paper has gotten printed millions of times for this one grave and this 1 R1n1 dna. Do people not know how the Xiongnu came to be or the history of the region? All the hype about this is pretty dumb imo.

The whole region was under the rule of Yeuzhi indo-iranian tribe before the Xiongnu. Yeuzhi were known to practice slavery. In their own tribes and outside tribes like scythian and various other tochar tribes. The Xiongnu literally means "fierce slaves". It was an empire born of slave rebellion. With the majority of the people being a mongolian and 10% being former indo-aryan slaves, this is probably how it was ruled too.

>Largely a matter of demographics. Europe already had a large settled population when Uralics arrived but when IE started migrating west they met a weakling people without much ability to defend themselves and instantly beat them everywhere without effort.
Indo-Europeans were superior to Old Europeans, and they won. If Uralics were superior to Indo-Europeans, they would have won too. Stop making excuses for being inferior savages who only excelled in expanding into frozen wastelands.

>Proto-Indo-Aryans had Poltavka aka Yamnaya derived maternal lines. Poltavka males were R1b.
So basically you're just going to ignore the fact that Uralics didn't mix with Yamnaya, and use their maternal haplogroups as evidence that they got cucked by N1c? In that case, why not go all the way back to the Caucasus and the Balkans and call them cucks, since that's where many Yamnaya maternal haplogroups derive from in the first place?

Hiong = fierce, Nu = slaves right ?

In hokkien hiong still means fierce. I truely think that the hokkien people are the true heirs to the Huaxia legacy.

9/10 vs 0/10 isn't comparable to 10/10 vs 9/10.

And I didn't say Uralics mixed with Yamna specifically, just that Finns have maternal lines which were once upon a time Yamna.

MUH ORJA, ARYANS WERE OUR SLAVES

>9/10 vs 0/10 isn't comparable to 10/10 vs 9/10.
True, but you still couldn't win so we must be the 10/10s and you must be the 9/10s in this case.

>Finns have maternal lines which were once upon a time Yamna.
True, but it doesn't mean that they Yamnaya got cucked, just that their eastern descendants did.

>are modern day han chinese mongol rape-babies, or has their appearance over the centuries remained rather undiluted?
That's kinda moronic question.
First, your "Mongol" is not a race but a collection of tribes, their lands and people were also been conquered(or "raped" by your degenerated term) by Chinese before they invaded in Yuan dynasty.

Second, Mongols never have enough time(they only ruled China for 97 years) and population to massive intermarry(or "dilute") Han Chinese, also because their life styles back then are too different(Herding VS Farming).

Third, Mongols share biological similarities with Northern Chinese, Koreans and Japanese. So even if they did, you probably can't really tell the difference if you're an outsider.

Last, see the picture, they didn't really have too many differences.

The faction with larger numbers usually wins if they are in way comparable.
Take Nazi Germany vs Soviet Union for example.

Well maybe if they stopped listening to their dicks and cuckold fantasies by trying to go after blonde Aryan women and instead settling with their own women, they would have had a higher population.

This. The estimated number of mongols were maybe 1 or 2 million compared with Huaxia people who numbered between 50 - 100 million would not make a big contribution.

Even if I was to take this at face value (I don't) dissatisfied Indo-European commoners would've had to familiarize the enslaved Mongoloids with their technologies.

>Take Nazi Germany vs Soviet Union for example
Fuck off moron, Uralics never had such a technological edge over Indo-Europeans, as attested by the fact that you had no states prior to the 20th century.

Actually, the Finnic civilizations in the Volga(Dyakov, Ananyino) reached the Iron age centuries prior to Scandinavia.

There's Shang/Xia from the East around the same time, so I doubt they were "barbarians" without any technology.

>ancestors of the kazakhs, just looked
Lol no

what do you believe that? All central Asia was turkic and looked full mongoloid or hapa

>what do you believe that?
Read the fucking thread

Mongoloids of the steppe had naught to do with them, see

We wuz kangs and shit

They're literally next to each other in the area. Why would they have nothing to do with each other? History/Prehistory of China + Proto/Mongol are connected every since they met. All the xiongnu graves have Chinese armors and weapons, why wouldn't they be related?

Ancient Chinese wuz Polish

We wuz kang

I obviously meant prior to getting taught Indo-European technologies and culture.

imagine being this assblasted

We wuz teachers and shit

We wuz enlightening the world and shit

Sumerians wuz Nordic as wuz Egyptshons

Xia states existed along side when the indo-european tribes were first migrating around 2000 BCE. The Shang dynasty was rising around 1700-1200BCE. Zhou came after this. Then warring states/qin/han etc. The Andronovo culture were from 2000 BCE - 900 BCE. They were competing cultures.

Stay butthurt.
Mongolians and other assorted steppe Mongoloids don't stem from Chinks though, they were peripherial steppe dwellers prior to encountering Indo-Europeans and whatever culture they had after was distinctly Indo-European at its core. The conclusion to be drawn from this should be obvious.

Pretty sci-fi to speculate about direct IE/Chinese contact as early as 2000 BC.

There's no proof of R1a males in China that early.

>The main haplogroups of Northern steppe nomad population were C3 (50.7% in the Mongolian, n=285) [8,17,18], and N1c (94% in the Yakut, n=184) [19]. The ancient individuals from the Jinggouzi site, a Northern Steppe nomadic culture on the western fringes of the West Liao River valley, carry a single haplogroup, C3e, divided into two sub-types on the basis of Y chromosome STR analysis. Previous mtDNA data have shown that the Jinggouzi people have closely related mtDNA types [20], suggesting that the Jinggouzi site was settled by family groups migrating from the northern steppe within a short period, which is in agreement with archaeological results

>It is worth noting that the two northern haplogroups N1c and C3e first appeared in the ancient peoples of the Dashaqian site.

>33.3% of Dashaqian samples were N1c, and the present-day distribution of the ancient haplotype based on one STR profile search is mainly Northern Asia. The presence of N1c in the UXC might suggest that there is immigration from the north Eurasian steppes during this period.

>Because the farming LXC was replaced by the nomadic UXC and no transitional type has yet been found, it had been suggested that there might have been large-scale immigration or even population replacement by northern Asian nomads

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3850526/

>"INDO EUROPEENZ TAUGHT CHINESE CIVILIZATION N SHIT!"

>For some reason, Shang/Zhou states go on to be massive state-based civilizations while Indo-Europeans remained as either steppenig barbarians or city-statelets that the Proto-Chinks called them barbarians and associated red-hair with barbarism even to this day.

Really fires up the noodle.

There are many Northern Han who believe in "blood purity" and thus they look down on Southern Han who tend to have SEA admixture. Some of them are even neo-Nazi tier with their Manchu conspiracy theories (the Manchu control the government, the Manchu put the one-child policy in place to exterminate the Han population etc.)

"Khan" is a corruption of "KANG", and they were black Africans.

I am, there is always someone making stupids questions

>KANG is corrupted to Khan in the Steppes.
>KANG became Wang in China, meaning "Monarch."
At last, I truly see.

A lot northern han are racist as fuck and look down on southern han even though they're all chinks and genetics doesn't determine ethnicity. There's literally no such thing as an "unmixed" ethnic group anyway.

The Manchu are hands down the most economically and politically powerful minority in China, and the one child policy only applied to ethnic Han. The Manchu ruled over China once before, but I'm sure all that is just a coincidence.

They arent related to germanics, germanics guys here are just pathetic

Also "Cohen" in Hebrew, meaning "teacher" or "leader".

>Chinese in SEA are the Jews
>Manchu in China are the Jews

POTTERY

>There are many Northern Han who believe in "blood purity"
I've met some of those people before and they are retards. Like, I mean, they aren't actually as smart as southerners are. And if they're going to say southern Han aren't Chinese then they will be losing a shitload of money and territory. Taiwan for example is composed of southern chinks.

t. from shenyang

So basically, N1c men from the Altai migrated to Mongolia where the local C3 males pledged allegiance to them and then they introduced the iron(?) age to the Chinese.

Southerners are definitely smarter than northerners. It's funny because people always go on with the meme that East Asians are smart but Southeast Asians are stupid but the Southern Han have SEA admixture.

Mongolians/Xiongnu/Yuezhi were all in contact/trade with China. This is evidenced by their armor/pottery/weapons found throughout the grave sites.

Proofs of pre-historic stuff is hard to find. History isn't only genetics, its cultural and technological transferrence in chronological order. It is lucky break to find any sort of DNA evidence form people 5000 years ago. What we can say is there were proto-mongol, proto-chinese culture were an active force. They were manufacturing metals, potteries, wines, etc. The indo-europeans that came around the same area certainly would have made contact with them.

The Manchu are so sinicized, they can't speak their own language or retain Manchu names. The idea that they are trying to genocide the Han and make China a Manchu country is absolutely ludicrous.

It's just Han chauvinism taken to the neo-Nazi levels.

Environment plays a huge factor, it's not all about muh genetics.

The same thing can be said for japan who is 50 percent jomon but have the say IQ as other north east Asians. This means that selection for high IQ alles occurs at a much faster rate then expected.

Genetics play a huge factor, but only if the genetic is very diverse. African vs Asian vs White. In an ingroup thing, where its Southern China vs Northern China, its mainly up to economic development/trade.

Also its kinda dumb to argue whether or not "northern" china is superior to "southern" or etc. All of China has been Qing'd and Mong'd. They've also been Opium'd. kek

Indo-Europeans were actually nowhere near the Chinese back then. Taklamakan desert and dozens of tribes were between them.

Only much later did the Scythians and Tocharians meet the Chinese.

So which is the best ethnicity?

I went to China a few times for business and the northern Chinese seemed much more independent but also dumber than the southern ones. They also seem more pro-commie and drink all the time.

Hong Cucks are raised by maids and live in their parents' houses.

I never said genetics didn't matter. But people on this fucking board honestly believe that being of European makes them an automatic genius.

Actually the Veeky Forums position is that Jews are best as far as intelligence goes

>Veeky Forums
Who cares

The Jews also lost their names and language, doesn't stop them from being an interest group.

wew lad