Does Veeky Forums only dislike Evola's viewpoint because you're closet progressives?

>Molyneux.
>philosopher

Does /pol/ only like Evola because his "it's magic, I ain't gotta explain shit" foundation to his philosophy is something that is nice and easy for them to remember? Are they closet LARPers?

>Plato and Memeyneux

holy fucking shit dude

Not an argument.

not a rebuttal

Evola is completely worthless, and I say that as a right-wing pooinlooaboo.

He's the poor man's Blavatsky, and the even poorer man's Roman von Ungern-Sternberg. All his fans are fucking Moldbug people, too. Atrocious.

/pol/ is largely ignorant of Evola
there are some on 7+1chan who meme about him

Since i've actually read a few books by Evola i can tell when a person attempting to criticize him hasn't read his books, which makes said persons look very stupid indeed.

On a serious note, i'd like to find a chat group or a book club group to discuss Tradition / Evola / Guenon thought with. Anyone know of such a group?

If you agree with him, how do you justify going on Veeky Forums to yourself?

Survive the Jive discord. Give me your name and I'll let you in.

He's riding the tiger

I'm not sure if I'd call myself progressive. I'm more of an Cosmopolitan Imperialist.

American Empire forever, blood don't matter, only culture matters.

As for Evola, I like his magic stuff, but I don't like his autocratic stuff.

Meme or real answer?

GabulaX
#4781

From reading the Wikipedia page, it seems he falls for the meme that the Roman Empire was actually a nonstandard antique state and that Roman virtue was anything but a meme after the Punic wars

I watched a guest talk about Evola in some British university by some right wing political theorist who died a few years later in his late 40s by (((heart attack))). The video was on youtube and the guy basically gave an overview about all of Evola's work and life. I have not understood half of it, but I liked the contents and his works are definitely on my radar and reading list now.

I actually found the video (1 hour long):
youtube.com/watch?v=4YqKf3v2aPs

No I just think that he's a faggot and he just babbled incoherent nonsense.

>ywn ride this tiger

>>thought that the kshatrya should rule over the brahmin
Absolutely mleccha

Was he autistic?

>this is what passes for bantz on leftypol
Pretty sad. Get a grip.

>Admit you haven't read an author
>But you can instantly summarise his entire work based on a quote
I thought you """people""" were supposed to be the smart ones?

>"Has literally read a wikipedia thread but is LARPing as someone who read his books", the poster
You're so transparent and pathetic, m8. Get laid. Stop being so bitter.

You little babby boy

>Cosmopolitan Imperialist

Did you read the passage beside the asterisks? No Ad hom.

He means that tradition is fundamental to civilisation.

Even sympathetic treatments of Fascist philosophy regard him as garbage.

Hahahha glad to see Veeky Forums is as pleb as ever.

I've read every one of Evola's major works, some of them twice, and I'm pretty sure I can btfo anyone's reddit-tier bantz itt

>Cosmopolitan imperialist
Saying "jew" is much shorter m8

Explain how he isn't a drooling retard on psychedelics

The hallucinogenics argument against Evola will never die

His basic idea is that man has to live according to a transcendent principle which is Co-essential with spirit as an immanent, processual process in the world. His symbolism focuses on notions of centrality and stability opposed to the feminine flux of matter. He believes the universe is just a maelstrom of "blissful and terrible" forces that it is man's duty to overcome insofar as he knows himself in this condition, which he calls the I=I.

Mythology and religion provided obfuscated allegories of "transcendent" states of consciousness, in which a progressive detachment of consciousness from the body renders it immune to death. The basic idea is this: training your consciousness to be able to support itself, to be self-grounding. He fully accepts that the body is a product of natural, contingent forces, and it is precisely the apprehension of this limit that simultaneously is and drives spirit. The rest is training.

Explain how he managed to be such a garbage philosopher that influenced no other thinkers and created no thoughts beyond his own? Don't go "bu-but muh post-ww2" either, because the full-blown unapologetic Nazi Heidegger became a highly influential thinker.

Wow he really did fall for the Hinduism meme didn't he

Most of his books are expositions in esoteric traditions. He's an excellent communicator of "occult" truths. His ideas are nevertheless only influential within a certain type. Jung considered Evola's work on alchemy fantastic and I've seen him pop up in a book on Hegel's ties to Hermeticism.

Logical fallacy: appeal to authority (nobody important agrees with him, so he must have bad ideas).

Give us a real argument, m9-1.

Haven't read him. Probably will at some point, but I don't have much motivation to read what seems like hundreds of pages of theosophist rambling, such as was being produced in enormous quantities in the early 20th century. And the fact hat most of his fans are stormfags makes me even less interested in reading him. But I'll probably check him out at some point. But can someone tell me - did Evola actually have anything original to say? If so, what's the gist?

You can spend about an hour watching a Frenchman interview him with English subs.

Read Ride the Tiger and you might understand why not many people are influenced by him today. According to him we are in the cosmic age of 'Kali Yuga'. He openly states that not many people will be open to what he writes because the current state of the world is in a time of disorder and unrest. The many will ignore tradition and those few "Aristocrats of the Soul" will essentially be "riding the tiger of modernity". This is only a very basic explanation. Actually reading his works will give you more insight.

Explain why his diagnosis of our current age as one of disorder is different from everyone else complaining about how their current age is so much worse than the idealized past

So in other words, his works are "not even wrong" nonsense that can't actually be used as philosophy. Gotcha.

BTW, saying "a whole mess of people will disagree with me" is a pathetic copout.

The only metric of a philosopher's merit is in the magnitude of thoughts they create. Even Stirner can claim to have influenced a massively important thinker like Marx.

That is because the forces that have taken their grip on the world today, namely Capitalistic and Communistic ideologies are entirely anti-traditional. This being so, man has become rootless, wading through the sludge of a purely materialistic dominating system. Both of these ideologies are at their base, entirely materialistic and when fully manifest become completely detached from the essential, which is an existence that is not based in the material. We have traded our spiritual connections to the earth and heaven for purely materialistic attainment. We have disregarded the necessities of tradition that keep us connected to the primordial realm. We disregard hierarchy and honor for those who uphold the ancient orders for egalitarianism and economics. The disorder is because these idealogies now reign supreme and most everyone has followed suit because of it's utter ruthlessness and disregard for humanity. This is only a simple explanation, but essentially we have abandoned what it is that maintains order, and that is tradition, because whatever form it takes, or however little it is apparent in the modern world, it is always at it's core the same thing. This can be seen in varying religions and civilizations in the past.

I mean prove to me that this monolithic tradition even exists
What is our starting date? 1500? 1300? 1000? 476? 30 BC?

lmao implying like anything like magnitude or total influence a philosopher has generated is quantifiable you drooling brainlet

What fucking reason is there to think we have a spiritual connection to anything, that a spirit exists, or that reality is anything but materialistic (or that the driving impetus behind society was ever anything but materialistic)?

I guess your just not cut out to ride the tiger user. It's okay, most people aren't.

>evolaist swine cares about particulars like "quantifiable"

Funny how you care about empirical particulars when they work against your trash baron.

If the material is relatively unimportant, how about you send me 80% of your material wealth?

Maybe not, but Nietzsche and Marx together basically made philosophy for the 20th century. What did Evola accomplish?

except it was already explained spirit is precisely the immanent apprehension of this fact, or negativity in general. In other words spirit as Evola understands it begins with the fact we're actually just bodies. That's the joke.jpg

Say something about his ideas already you poser reddit bugman jerkoff

He doesn't have any ideas.

>bugman
there is not a single intelligent person who uses this word
Prove me wrong

terrible. just sad really

Literally the only people who use the pathetic neologism bugman are kantbot tier

This is honestly the first I've heard of it. What the fuck is a bugman?

A word 18 year old tradfags are trying to push
Basically their version of cuck

Anything on twitter is reddit tier

Evola's historical legacy in action.

He's a second rate existentialist for people too lame for Kierkegaard.

It is not that material isn't important, it is that today it is over emphasized to the point that we disregard the spirit and place material above everything else. This can be seen in the lack of philosophy, decline in religion, and hatred for hierarchy today.

I don't need to give you any reason to believe such things. That will only come from you user. Like I said, we are devoid of this reality today; much of the world is. We are blinded by or strife to obtain everything else but spiritual satisfaction. These systems have brought humanity to their knees and we are kneeling in front of false idols so to speak. Tradition keeps man in check with the truth that has always been there. I don't seek to convert you or anyone, as keeping one's soul is one's own duty. Though maybe it might be good say that giving up one's soul is a step in the direction to attainment of it.

Bugman detected. Stay wanking to muh alienated labor while the chad initiates transcend the wheel of birth and death bitch boi

>I don't need to give you any reason to believe such things. That will only come from you user. Like I said, we are devoid of this reality today; much of the world is. We are blinded by or strife to obtain everything else but spiritual satisfaction. These systems have brought humanity to their knees and we are kneeling in front of false idols so to speak. Tradition keeps man in check with the truth that has always been there. I don't seek to convert you or anyone, as keeping one's soul is one's own duty. Though maybe it might be good say that giving up one's soul is a step in the direction to attainment of it.

"I don't have to defend or support my position."

How fucking convenient. Even Marxists will go to the effort of explaining their fucking dialectic.

If you need to call yourself a chad, you're not.

Define tradition

It's been explained multiple times in this thread.

I think that I have already explained my position though. It says a lot that you to Marxists above me. You sound angry.

That you put*

You haven't provided any reason to believe your position, which is part of an explanation.

You're a fucking caricature of a post-modernist. "Reality is too hard, so I'll just believe whatever I want." Pathetic, worthless, trash philosophy. You and that trash baron Evola are an embarrassment to the western philosophical tradition; a stain on our intellectual landscape.

The belief in a superior order of being not subject to becoming, and the society hierarchically organized around a living representation/embodiment of immutable transcendent principles, opposed to natural and psychological forces that inevitably distort and degrade traditional societies by an abomization/quantification of phenomena where space/time is experienced as absolutely all there is

>associating Evola with postmodernism

lol

I mean, in this specific case. What are the practices of the tradition we've supposedly left, and when did we leave them?

Tradition would be the values that are innate to all men of all times. Dependence on one's self. Love of family. Respect for your blood and the blood of your people. The will to fight for those who you consider your kin. Honoring of your ancestors. Acknowledgement of the world, this can be understood through religion I 'spose. Respect for authority in it's various forms, so long as this authority respects you. I guess this would just be to name a few. Should I go on?

No. I'm associating him with the caricature of post-modernism. Actual post-modernism includes actual philosophers willing to put in the fucking work like Heidegger.

>It is not that material isn't important, it is that today it is over emphasized to the point that we disregard the spirit and place material above everything else. This can be seen in the lack of philosophy, decline in religion, and hatred for hierarchy today.
It's not like people want to spend a bunch of time thinking about material matters, it's that if you decide not to, your quality of life rapidly declines to the point that it becomes hard to think about anything. Unless you're lucky enough to have been born rich or connected, that is.

Holy shit what a meme
Do people fall for this bullshit?

Yes, also this is a great explanation.

Whatever man, you're butthurt about something obviously. You just compared Evola to being a postmodernist which is a red flag that you're either from reddit or a commie. Here's my fuck in return.

Fuck off.

>Heidegger
>postmodern

ahhahahaha the whole point of his philosophy is praxis and not abstract bugman theorizing you goobers

You're so mad dude. Do you anything in the least bit intelligent to say or are you going to continue rambling?

>Whatever man, you're butthurt about something obviously. You just compared Evola to being a postmodernist which is a red flag that you're either from reddit or a commie. Here's my fuck in return.

I wouldn't dare compare him to an actual post-modernist. There were some incredible philosophers in that tradition. I am very specifically comparing him to the meme caricature of post modernism, because you fucks haven't give a SINGLE reason to believe anything that has been claimed, and don't seem to think actually supporting your philosophy is important. You bring embarassment and shame on every philosopher of the past.

t. I don't know the first thing about philosophy.

Heidegger is the basis of post-modernism, moron.

>n-no I was just trolling the first time eheh

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name 3 ways and I won't think you're a reddit pseud

I'm not mad at all, I literally laughed
This is hardly philosophy, vague sociology
So I ask again, when was this golden age of tradition?

>things I never claimed

Brainlet.

3 ways? He was the influential cornerstone of the tradition. There's only one way needed you goddamn idiot.

*just vague

>evola is sociology
>can't even tell me how he was so influential, can't even bullshit something about dasein or being-for-death or about lichtung cause he's a triple chinned reddit fucking pseud

>the people disagreeing with me are the same person