Is this real? serbia and ottoman...?

is this real? serbia and ottoman...?

Other urls found in this thread:

imgur.com/SdKXr99
twitter.com/AnonBabble

Serbs used to have balls then we cut off their balls because they insulted our BLACK race and state. Then we forced them to bow down to the BLACK warrior

The only time Serbs ever had balls was when they cut them off of Croatian and Bosniak victims.

slav slave serb servant

You need to make some kebab first to remove it

Insert Kebab

B-but we wuz kebab removaz and shieeet

I can't help but think that every battle involving the Ottomans (whether they won or last) had insanely inflated numbers. How the fuck does 14th century Serbia put 70,000 troops in one battle when 14th century England struggled to field 12,000 men for their invasion of Scotland?

...

Red pill: Western Europe was a shithole inferior to Eastern Europe until the 15th/16th century. Even tiny Venice was able to raise 25,000 soldiers in the 14th century.

Well they are, but Serbia was almost as populous as England in that period.

Hint: they're full of shit.
Click on any of those battles and nine times out of ten, you'll see 'Turkish figures'.
No, and it was certainly far poorer, too.

It wasn't. They were actually pretty rich, due to mines.

>No, and it was certainly far poorer, too.

Well lets see a kingdom near the Mediterrenean when the Mediterrenean trade was booming versus a country in the Atlantic Ocean.

lol no

imgur.com/SdKXr99

Serbs battles against ottomans.

>linking an image on imageboard site

It's too large for Veeky Forums.
The black axe indicates Serbia on the Turks side as a vassal state.
Hint, there's like 5 of them, compared to the number of battles against.
Black dots are ottoman victories.
The helmets represent sieges.
The spiky battles are the most important.

>until the 15th/16th century.
* 17th century

>when a /pol/ memestar is confronted with historical facts

Serbs fought the Ottomans, lose hilariously bad, then helped them in all following conflicts.

>being this weak-willed and stuck in stereotypes and Westocentric myths

venice was not "tiny"
venice was literally the MOST IMPORTANT EUROPEAN COUNTRY FROM 11TH TO THE 13TH CENTURY.

>PATRIARCH OF GRADDO TELLS POPE TO FUCK OFF
>PRODUCE SO MUCH SALT AND IMPORT SO MANY LUXURY ITEMS THAT YOU CAN BUY ANY OF YOUR ENEMYS
>GET SICK OF TRADING IN THE FLORENTINE? PRODUCE A HIGHER QUALITY COIN, THE GROSSO!
>LITERALY CONTROLLED THE SEAS
>THE AREGNO WAS TRUE DEMOCRACY AMERICA STEALS VENIDIGS TITLE
>LITERALLY STILL OCCUPYING CONSTANTINOPLE, THE HAGASOPHIA IS THE HEADSTONE TO DEAREST ENRCO
>AVOIDS ALL FEUDALISM AND BTFO ANY OTHER CITY (GENEAO WHOSE THAT SOME GAY BITCH)?
>MAKE ZARA LIKE LITERALLY SLAVE STATE LOL FOR FUN
>CONVINCE THE FRENCH THAT THEY SHOULD SEND YOU MEN AND LITERALLY USE THEM TO INVADE SAID SLAVE STATE CAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE IT
>TRAVELED FARTHER THAN ANY OTHER WESTERN TRADES

>It's poor now so it must have been poor before lmao
Are you retarded?

you should be very aware that numbers in pre 18th century battles are almost always inflated, it's perfectly logical too because after a while it's hard to tell the difference between 10,000 and 100,000. Most number accounts come from scribes who cared little about historical accuracy (which really didn't exist). Muslim sources can be even worse because they often focused on poeticism and the story aspect more than record keeping. Don't get too emboldened by new estimates either, a lot of smaller battles are victim to lazy historians who simply take a primary source at face value or extrapolate from data, which can sometimes lead to strange results depending on what they used. Western battle numbers will probably be safer to trust as they tend to go under more direct source criticism while other regions will get away with less scrutiny

After Battle of Kosovo in 1389, Serbia splintered [not that it was ever truly united]. Some local lords signed up for vassaldom to the Ottomans.

The Ottomans used a lot of non-Turk non-Muslim soldiers and armies. The various Balkan kingdoms and lords often fought each-other and allied with the Ottomans against other Christian states.

Of course that collides with a lot of nationalistists' idea of some Christianity vs Islam B-movie type reality.

This guy is making all the right linguistic connections.

Just because the ottoman Empire beat the Serb, doesn't necessarily make Serbs shit. The Chinese, Persians, and Russians were conquered by illiterate bandit. Doesn't make them lesser than the bandit raiders

>>It's poor now so it must have been poor before lmao
This x1000
Why is this concept so hard for some people?

Portugal had a better trading empire

maybe but venice stole byzantine culture

lel kek remove kebab though

Serbs were loyal ottoman dogs or 500 years

Hungarians, Croatians and Romanians are true kebab removers

>Doesn't make them lesser than the bandit raiders
The Mongols were OP and Khalid ibn Walid is one of the best generals in history.

If this was Suleiman I'd agree but just plain fucking Ottoman soldiers? Not even elite janissaries.

This.

Pro-tip: when the range is that large, assume the lower figure to be a high end estimate and the higher figure to be pure propaganda.

You left your trip off Ray

You fags are fucking retarded. Go back to int or pol and post your drivel there.