Is someone else totally fascinated by this war? Reality is indeed stranger than fiction. Sure it is interesting...

Is someone else totally fascinated by this war? Reality is indeed stranger than fiction. Sure it is interesting, because it was the most titanic struggle in human history, but if you know the background info it gets even more interesting.

>communism was created in Germany
>anti-semitism wasn't created in Russia, but Russia was by far the most antisemitic country on earth and they were the author of the infamous protocols of zion who directly influenced Hitler (they were even thaught in Nazi schools)
>both were the losers from WW1 and lost their monarchies, both rejected democracy, the west and religion and both adopted a futuristic, socialist experiment where a totally new species of human should be created.
>German philosophers like Nietzsche influenced the Bolsheviks and the Nazis copied most of their tactics from the Bolsheviks
>both wanted to create a perfect Utopia: For Germany it was biological and could only be achieved if the race would be won, for the Soviet Union it was ideological and they needed to win the class war
And yet both accused the other side of being puppets of the West.

What the fuck happened in that period? Was it a contest who is more edgy and evil? Did they try to summon fucking Satan? Stalin and Hitler even have very similar biographies. One wanted to become a fucking priest and the other an aritst.

It is almost comedical. Stalin destroys all churches and shows that he despises god and then Hitler is like: "Oh yeah, you think you are tough? Watch this. I hate god so much that I even slaugther his chosen people."

Would the portals to hell be opened if those 2 would have allied?

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I have always dreamed of the US and allies versus Germany&Russia mega alliance. The battles would have been just completely indescribable.

>and both adopted a futuristic, socialist experiment where a totally new species of human should be created.
Nope. Nazis were capitalists.

>dude we have some private enterprise so we're capitalist

>there was some nationalized industry so it's not capitalist!!

lmao

>nazis were capitalists
>established state monopolies, stole from businesses, restricted business extremely heavily
What is this meme

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Well it can't be capitalism because every main industry in Germany was under the control of the government. What are you trying to say here?

>established state monopolies, stole from businesses, restricted business extremely heavily

"Although the Nazi Party election programs supported nationalization of major industries, the Nazi government included a few actual policies of privatization in the 1930s.[60] Between the fiscal years 1934/35 and 1937/38, privatization represented 1.4 percent of the German government's revenues.[61] Among companies that were privatized, were the four major commercial banks in Germany that had all come under public ownership during the prior years; Commerz– und Privatbank, Deutsche Bank und Disconto-Gesellschaft, Golddiskontbank and Dresdner Bank. Instead of making important investment decisions, and determining the use to which their funds were to be put, the private banks merely had to provide the technical facilities for covering government expenditure or financing new investment—the volume and composition of which had been previously settled by the government.[62][clarification needed] Also privatized were the Deutsche Reichsbahn (German Railways), at the time the largest single public enterprise in the world, the Vereinigte Stahlwerke A.G. (United Steelworks), the second largest joint-stock company in Germany (the largest was IG Farben) and Vereinigte Oberschlesische Hüttenwerke AG, a company controlling all of the metal production in the Upper Silesian coal and steel industry. The government also sold a number of shipbuilding companies, and enhanced private utilities at the expense of municipally owned utilities companies.[63]"

Even if that were true (which it isn't), that's not socialism, just state apparatus based capitalism.

>Goebbels led the nazi party
okay bro

>that's not socialism, just state apparatus based capitalism.
i fucking knew this response was coming

Because it's true.

socialism
ˈsəʊʃəlJz(ə)m/
noun
noun: socialism

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Nazis were occultists. It was a pretty irrational movement (From the viewpoint of Western rationalism). To say it was "just" capitalism, would be wrong. If they became friends with the West they could have been a lot richer than going an isolationist route.

It goes deeper than that. Basically what they believed in is that every race has a soul. And this race soul is far more important than just an individual soul. If you can't connect to your race soul, you might as well be dead. And the more pure a race is, the more apparent this soul manifests via culture, science etc... This is totally contrary to capitalism, which holds the individual and his freedom in high esteem. And they thought that the German soul was polluted with Christianity, which is the manifestation of a totally different soul, an inferior soul and incompatible with Germany.

What made Nazism so peculiar is to combine spirituality with biology. So that's why they didn't regard themselves as capitalists. Capitalism is materialistic, as opposed to idealistic.

Goebbels was the mastermind behind most of Hitler's spergs out

do elected officials that comprise the government not represent the community?

>people still arguing about the economic philosophy of the nazis when they literally admitted they never had a concrete one

So I guess slaves run plantations then? I mean, their owners are part of the community!

>dude we never have unemployment if everyone is constantly at war

i must have missed the part where the slaves had elections and voted for which plantation they wanted to serve on

Goebbels was one of the more anticapitalist Nazis

Its funny how as soon as the moral fiber and logic of your ideology is tested you immediately compare democratically elected leaders to slave owners.

Where did the mean senator touch you, lad?

dude, this might surprise you but

nazis weren’t elected

The Nazis actually went through a major privatization program, google Reprivatisierung. More nationalizations were achieved during only two years(1930-1932) of Weimar state that struggled against Depression than under 12 years of Nazi regime. The only major nationalization i can think of right now was that one of Junkers, when they kicked out Hugo Junkers because of his animosity towards the Nazis.
True, the Nazis were pretty ambiguous.

Nazi Germany wasn't democratic.

>What the fuck happened in that period? Was it a contest who is more edgy and evil?
europeans started moving in the opposite direction from the underlying mythology that served as the foundation to their civilization, and collectivist, totalitarian ideologies tried to fill the void

WW1 is the more fascinating war
WW2 was more humane (aside from the attrocities towards civilians)

"privatization" was a meme. Every company had to apply to a central government bureaucracy to be allowed to buy materials or hire workers.

neither where the bolsheviks, or pretty much any regime that made an attempt at socialism. It was always a violent revolution in the name of the "proletariat." Socialism is just the attempt of the planning class to use the working class to control the economy completely under the guise of being benevolent and righteous.

>WW1 is the more fascinating war
hmmmmm

>What is corporatism

I love WW1 so much, seriously. Everything about it is just perfect. it should've been the final chapter of history.

>nazis weren’t elected
>Although the Nazis won the greatest share of the popular vote in the two Reichstag general elections of 1932, they did not have a majority, so Hitler led a short-lived coalition government formed by the NSDAP and the German National People's Party.[10]

.neither where the bolsheviks, or pretty much any regime that made an attempt at socialism. It was always a violent revolution in the name of the "proletariat." Socialism is just the attempt of the planning class to use the working class to control the economy completely under the guise of being benevolent and righteous.

>What are the Zapatistas
>What are Rojava
>What was Yugoslavia

This may shock you... but not all socialists were marxist-leninists! O:

>>What is corporatism
Probably not an economy that was more planned than Soviet economy.

>What is corporatism

not lazies-fair and a step away from a command economy.

They also banned other political parties and imprisoned millions of their own people. Doesn't sound very representative of the people to me.

The Principles of Zion were written before the communists. The Czar wanted to reward political allies with land. So he had some bullshit conspiracy published to give him an excuse to take Jewish farms.

After terrorizing voters and eventually committing domestic terror to gain more power

Jews and communists aren't "the people" sweetie.

le epikly meme'd dood le XDDD!!!!!

Voters were terrorized by communist faggots, and voted for the Nazis specifically to kill communists.

Inb4
>Reichstag fire was a false flag!111

they only did so after being voted in with overwhelming support, and those actions continued to have overwhelming support even after the war started

>sperg the fuck out and shit all over your keyboard

Typical.

EPIC

>they only did so after being voted in with overwhelming support
They didn't even get the majority of the votes.

>What are the Zapatistas

failed revolutionaries turned left-wing death squads that worship a racist meme.

>What are Rojava

A rogue state emerging from the corpse of Syria and IS held lands from its neighbor states.

>What was Yugoslavia

A disaster waiting to happen.

WW2 was fought for ideas though, which makes it more interesting imo. WW1 was basically just a dick-measuring contest between aristocrats. And excatly that shit was responsible for the void. In WW2 it was far crazier, almost like ideas hijacked peoples minds and everyone was under hypnosis.

I would classify it as a civil war inside humanity in order to figure out and define what it even means to be human. If Germany didn't play the role of the bad guy someone else would have. It was a necessary part in our evolution.

>getting this bent out of shape over a fucking joke

>the people supported banning parties 60% of the population voted for

STORMFAGS

ITT : brainlets who see capitalism as "muh free market" and not as a mode of production.

Literally an exaggeration spread by Nazis

>WW2 was fought for ideas though
WW2 was exactly like WW1, a bunch of established imperialist countries trying to hold down new imperialist countries. The only difference is that the USA was more successful in revising the WW2 narrative to make it good vs evil/ democracy vs fascism.

it's literally right fucking here
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_November_1932
they won by a large margin despite LOSING seats that election

Stay mad at how capitalism won, filthy commie

>>/pol/

WHOOSH

Oh no..... it's retarded.

>STORMFAGS
bck2/pol/ retard

I love this way of framing things, first people equate nazis as being just as bad as commies with whatever horseshoe theory they're on, but then you just have to switch it a little and say "but the nazis were just a reaction to gommies", and vindicate them.

Oh no.... it has no arguments

You can't argue with someone who doesn't understand how to read numbers.

But WW2 was batshit insane. In WW1 all parties were at least realistic. Gain some new territories here and there, make some money, gain prestige.

In WW2 you suddenly have
>living space in the east
>great asian prosperity zone
>belief in the superiority of your own race
>belief in a communist paradise
It was total madness.

the rise of the right wing in germany (and other european nations) was a reaction to commies. that's why communism failed to take hold everywhere but russia
the reaction can also lead to negative consequences you inbred

>In WW1 all parties were at least realistic. Gain some new territories here and there, make some money, gain prestige.
That's exactly what Lebensraum and Co-prosperity sphere were about.

You understand Capitalism is collapsing around you, right?

>claim nazi party didn't have a large share of the vote despite receiving 33% of the popular vote and winning amost 200 seats
>starts pretending xhe can't read when confronted with the proofs

Nuclear weapons, as much of a meme answer as that seems, and maybe the US's meddling

>Hitler's views on economics, beyond his early belief that the economy was of secondary importance, are a matter of debate. On the one hand, he proclaimed in one of his speeches that "we are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system",[15] (This is a secondary, not primary source. And this quote was actually from Gregor Strasser in "Thoughts about the Tasks of the Future," June 15, 1926) but he was clear to point out that his interpretation of socialism "has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism," saying that "Marxism is anti-property; true Socialism is not."[16] At a later time, Hitler said: "Socialism! That is an unfortunate word altogether... What does socialism really mean? If people have something to eat and their pleasures, then they have their socialism."[14] The term that Hitler later wished he had used for his political party name was “social revolutionary.”[17] In private, Hitler also said that "I absolutely insist on protecting private property... we must encourage private initiative".[18]
>socialism is whatever I want it to mean
Why was he so autistic?

Only in the sense that the NSDAP played on people's paranoia

Hitler should have been the propaganda minister and Speer should have been the Fuhrer

>Venezuelans forced to eat literal feces and rats
>US economy just hit 3.1% GDP after cutting a metric fuckton of federal regulations
really makes me think

yes man, nazis dindu nuffin it was the gommies that forced their hand

You know that Venezuela is capitalist, as is most of the third world?

>You understand Capitalism is collapsing around you, right?

Any day now, Comrad!

Imagine a timeline where Strasser seized control over the NSDAP

>Venezuela is capitalist
Go ahead and highlight the rest of your posts in this thread so I know to hide them

what paranoia? communist uprisings were often violent, the germans saw what was happening to the east, and their own situation was already shitty. even looking outside of germany, communist parties were made of the dregs of society and the results were often violent
the only reason they managed to grab hold in russia was because the tsar managed to treat the people worse than the commies

Read living in the end times, boyo.

>70% of the economy is private sector activity
>socialist
leave this board

this

yeah man the communists actually didn't try to do anything in germany, they rode in on rainbows and unicorns handing out free PS Vitas to anyone who would listen
are you so far up your own ass that you equate anyone who mentions the post-WWI civil war in germany with being a wehraboo?

It's a government controlled economy. The government has put severe limitations on their economy so that they could try to battle poverty, and it ended up fucking them. How do you explain their situation then, comrade?

Communists have predicted 200 years ago that capitalism will collapse. Ironically only communism collapsed.

Read the statistics of the Nazdaq from these past few months.

>gubrnment regulations is socialism
stop posting and go read a book

>after cutting a metric fuckton of federal regulations

Sure cant wait until we get to live the Chinese experience without all that pesky federal regulations keeping our air and water clean

Didn't answer thew question, what is Venezuela's problem then? It certainly isn't complete unrestrained capitalism, it seems like severe restrictions and control has led Venezuela to their problem.

>communist shithole is disgusting and its people have no regard for their land nor the well-being of others

The Soviets were defeated by fucking Poland. They were no real threat.

>cutting some regulations=China
Okay Retard

>civil war in Germany
What civil war? Is every revolt now a civil war? The Spartacist were crushed in 2 weeks.

The whole thing was just crazy, it reads like some fantastical sci-fi Armageddon.

>forgets why the regulations are there in the first place.
LA was perfectly fine and rivers weren't flammable.

>Capitalism is collapsing

>all regulations are environmental ones
wew

he definitely meant to emphasis "some"

I guess USSR was capitalist too?

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yes

You're more gullible than those apocalypse cult followers who keep believing that Jesus will return within their lifetime

>I'll just post my meme graphs instead of using an argument
I bet you're the same person who complains when /pol/ does it

Germany wasn't exactly being ravaged by civil war and communist militants like Russia was. They're not comparable.