Why did Russians get cucked so much by Mongols but Czechs and Poles didn't?
Did Mongols fear the West Slavic warrior?
Mongols
James Martin
Angel Hughes
Several reasons.
>When the russian principalities faced the mongols for the first time, they got utterly annihilated by a mere scouting force. The said scouting force was led by Ghengis Khan's greatest General, Subutai.
>The second encounter didn't go well either. The full brunt of the mongol army smashed through the eurasian steppe and defeated the Princes of the Kievan Rus.
>In three years and mostly during the scorching summer heat and the freezing winter months, the mongols destroyed or subjugated the area completly
>Hungary and Bohemia didn't fare better and were demolished as well. Hungary as in flames and the smallfolk as well as the nobility were fleeing the country in droves.
>Bohemia lost its whole army in one battle and was virtually defenseless.
>While Kaiser Friedrich was in a quarrel with the pope, a few elector counts of the Reich amassed an army to ward off any Mongol incursions.
>The battle with the HRE never came, as the mongols withdrew after laying waste to eastern Austria and scouting parties were seen as far as Vienna.
Liam Thompson
>A combination of several factors forced the retreat of the Mongol Horde: a.) The Khan, Ogedei, had died and a wild scramble for the throne ensued. Several contenders for the throne were currently with the army.
b.)Europe offered little to no loot compared to China. Southern China, the Song dynasty, was still at large and it would take several decades to conquer them
>When the Mongols finally returned to central europe for a second time, again no one was really prepared, except for Hungary. King Bela II. had learned from his previous mistakes and infested his land with castles and well hidden supply dumps.
>He also greatly increased the size of his cavalry forces and reformed the army so it could respond to Mongol hit and run tactics.
>When the second Mongol invasion of central Europe finally started, the army that faced europe was not the same that came 20 years earlier. Most of the great Mongol generals from previous times either had died or retired. The famed mongol army was not at 100% capicity and their enemies, foremost Hungary, got their shit together.
>In key battles, the hungarian army smashed the Mongols and even helped beleagued polish and bohemians in their struggle against the mongols.
>While sporadic raids would continue, never again would a large Mongol army take the field against Europe
Nathan Harris
>Bohemia lost its whole army in one battle and was virtually defenseless.
t. AoE2 player
Bohemian army was rushing to help the Poles, but they couldn't have waited for a single fucking day and attacked alone. Polish autism at its finest. The Bohemian army couldn't be involved in the battle, so they at least stopped the mongols from entering bohemia and diverted them directly to Hungary, where the mongols were going after Cumans (cumans... lol). I wouldn't call that defenseless.
Evan Powell
This fucking map
>~1240
>Breslau
>Königsberg
As for reason, Kiev Rus lacked any stone fortifications.
Carter Williams
The simplest reason is that central Europe is extremely far away from Mongolia and northern China, so they couldn't project much into that area other than (relatively) small armies of horsemen. This worked for conquering Kievan Rus, which was very sparsely populated, had little in the way of fortifications, had no natural geographical barriers, and had small armies mostly composed of cavalry themselves. Not so much in more densely populated and densely fortified regions, like later Poland or the Levant.
Landon Flores
>>He also greatly increased the size of his cavalry forces and reformed the army so it could respond to Mongol hit and run tactics.
Nitpick: he actually probably reduced his cavalry force. The Hungarian army at Mohi was mostly light cavalry, which was butchered by the Mongols' mix of heavy cavalry and horse archers. The Hungarian armies of 1285 included more crossbowmen and heavy infantry, as well as heavy cavalrymen.
Nathan Reyes
Kek
Cooper Reed
But they didn't, Russians only ever paid tribute to the Mongol Empire and took over once their meme empire collapsed. Mongols got more cucked during the Russian Empire and Soviet times than Russians ever did.
Grayson Thompson
>Hurr why did a European region with land perfect for horse nomads suffer more from horse nomads than a region that was extremely difficult for horse nomads
Parker Cooper
This, every /pol/tard here imagines mongol yoke as mongol living together with russians and regular rape. Meanwhile the average russian didn't have to deal with mongs in his life
Brody Nguyen
Central europe was poorer, and had worse terrain for steppeniggers to use to their advantage.
>Meanwhile the average russian didn't have to deal with mongs in his life
Eastern europe still considers mongol and tatar raids as rape, pillage and burn personified, so i wouldnt be so sure.
Jayden Smith
>Central europe was poorer
Western education at its finest.
Brody Williams
In comparison to China or places under with Byzantine hegemony, Migration Era Central Europe didn't have as much mongol-loved loot.
And again, you had more mountains and forests and shit.
Joshua King
>Eastern europe still considers mongol and tatar raids as rape, pillage and burn personified
That doesn't mean that it affected them much, and genetics prove that they didn't (at least the Mongol raids, original Turkics such as Cumans were largely assimilated Scythian tribes so they carried Y-DNA and auDNA akin to Slavs and Balts).
Jason Hughes
not so fast
Jaxson Robinson
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Isaac White
Why do the Italians have more than Poles, Czechs, and Germans?
Mason Morris
>The lowest levels of the East Eurasian component are carried by Latvians, Poles, Germans, Czechs and Italians. But this looks like noise anyway, because the Chinese carry a reciprocal amount of the West Eurasian component. In other words, it's most likely not a real signal of recent admixture from East Asia, but shared prehistoric Eurasian ancestry. If it's not noise, and actually represents admixture from an East Asian source like the Mongolians, then it's difficult to explain why it appears at a clearly higher level in Italians than Poles.
Josiah Thompson
polishgenes.blogspot.com
check the entire article if you're interested.
Brandon Ross
It was the fucking logistics of it. From the castles to the terrain. It would have been a fuxking bitch.
Asher Bell
>If it's not noise, and actually represents admixture from an East Asian source like the Mongolians, then it's difficult to explain why it appears at a clearly higher level in Italians than Poles.
Shitty meme image, whatever Mongoloid admixture Russians from certain isolated areas may have is due to them breeding with the locals they conquered.
I smell bullshit.
Brandon Bell
en.wikipedia.org
mongols took local wives and intermarried with rus dynasties. (keep in mind mongols could get a couple of wives)
Oliver Sanders
Mongolian Y-DNA is practically nonexistent in European Russia so the petty princes that moved to Russia obviously were very few. Same goes for the intermarriages, also not once did the main branch of the Rurikid dynasty intermarry with Mongols.
Eli Bennett
>Mongolian Y-DNA
No Mongolian mtDNA either, just noticed that most of those intermarriages were with Mongolian women.
Kayden Butler
Pretty much. The reason why Western/Central Europe was relatively immune from most steppe nomads in history unlike Russia, Iran, Northern India, or China has a lot to do with simple geography.
Hunter Foster
Tatar Y-DNA isn't though
They formed the main bulk of the "Mongols" in Europe
Nolan Bailey
Mongol Confederation that assaulted Europe = Mongols, Turks, Ugric warbands
We had no chance vs. that much horse arching expertise
The German and Polish humiliation at Legnica proved it. Roaches and Chinks united was unstoppable.
Fate saved us through their custom of dividing empire between sons