This is a hypothetical question to help resolve a little debate that me and a friend has. I am a male-to-female tranny and I told my friend that if I traveled back through time against my will and ended up in medieval times then I would be executed for being a degenerate almost immediately or as soon as I make contact with the first person native to that time. He argues that wouldn't happen so soon, as they would still have to discover that I am a tranny especially since I am post-op.
So who is in the right, Veeky Forumstorians? How long would I go in medieval times before being executed for degeneracy? Why did it seem like medieval peoples had the right idea when it came to an organized and civil society?
I honestly think it will depend wether you are attractive or not.
Camden Flores
I think you'd burn pretty much everywhere at anytime, unless the 21 century which is a shame
Christian Young
another victim of estrogen in the tap water
Owen Miller
Transgenderism is a modern phenomenon, they would've just thought you were an ugly woman with a weird voice.
Parker Hughes
Yeah, I'd say this. They simply have no concept of changing genders. Unless you personally force the issue, you'd probably be as fine as anyone else in that time would be.
Wyatt Reed
The concept of "degeneration" wasn't an issue in Medieval times, thought. Femenine men were mocked, yes, but they weren't attacked. Unless you said "hey guys, I was born a man but now I'm a woman thanks to ways you cannot possibly know about, and I've got a huge stash of thingies that keept me like this" or went around asking for special pronouns, you wouldn't really face trouble (as said, at worst they'd consider you a really ugl woman). And, even if you did, the accusation would have been heresy ("God doesn't make mistakes") and, assuming you're not in a backwater village, all you'd need to do would be simply say "it's true, I was never a man, I was born a woman" in front of the Ecchlesiastical tribunal.
Carson Lewis
Guess how i know you're actually just a poltard.
Christian Taylor
They'd think you were an ugly, manly woman and probably you'd become famous throughout the local area.
Juan Taylor
>Why did it seem like medieval peoples had the right idea when it came to an organized and civil society?
What do you mean by this? I can't understand how you came to that conclusion based on what you wrote earlier.
Also since I don't come across them so often, may I ask what's your reasoning for being MTF? I'm not an anti-trans person but I wonder if they would exist in a society where there are no gender roles or assigned genders. What I'm getting at is if gender is a social construct and trans-genderism sexist by its very nature.
I'm not questioning the legitimacy of how you define yourself, I just want to better understand the situation.
Angel Gray
Depends how well you pass, If you look like a man with a wig, you'll be strung up in the stalks fairly quickly, or put in an insane asylum depending on what time/Kingdom. But if you're fully convincing than they'll never know, you'll still be treated as an infertile peasant with no family though. The real question is, how would they react to your hight
Joseph White
>modern invention >a roman emperor was a tranny >tranny underclasses have existed for thousands of years in eastern societies Before medical science existed to do anything with transgender people and early western psychologists classified them, they were just lumped in with homos in general.
Henry Moore
They would see you as an ugly woman at worst. The problem would be the fact you'd be a woman who can't have kids, nor has a family. Find an occupation for Christmas cakes like a nun and you'll be good. Plus points if you end up with Buddhists as the ideal for their nuns was to become men... which you would once the hormone pills ran out.
Joshua Rivera
Sounds like a tranny's dream, but what if OP passes?
> you'd probably be as fine as anyone else in that time would be. So does that mean OP would die from disease?
Adrian Anderson
> which you would once the hormone pills ran out Not if they received an orchi. Can a femboy become a manly man? Not completely.
Luis Peterson
You could pass as an eunuch.
Zachary Campbell
So a tranny would die from the same diseases that everyone else would have faced?
Andrew Cox
> a roman emperor was a tranny Provide proof that isn't just a bunch of SJW bullshit that is trying to rewrite history for their own agendas.
Luis Bailey
>He was described as having been "delighted to be called the mistress, the wife, the queen of Hierocles" and was reported to have offered vast sums of money to any physician who could equip him with female genitalia. From the writings of cassius dio penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Cassius_Dio/80*.html#79-16 now move those goalposts!
Josiah Jackson
Trannies have existed a long time. That does not mean they are healthy or good for a society though.
Bentley Cooper
>and others because they committed adultery with him. For he wished to have the reputation of committing adultery, so that in this respect, too, he might imitate the most lewd women; and he would often allow himself to be caught in the very act, in consequence of which he used to be violently upbraided by his "husband" and beaten, so that he had black eyes.
Lucas Sullivan
Care to post a source that isn't influenced by social justice retards?
Jeremiah Gray
And how, pray tell, are they not good for society or healthy?
Matthew Clark
i dont like thing
Jayden Reed
What thing?
Hudson Hall
You'd be a pariah, like all people with mentall illness in that age.
John Young
They're a sign of moral and spiritual decline.
Jaxon Ward
>Suicidal people with self-esteem issue are good for societies
Justin Jackson
How so?
Kevin Hughes
I guess this means you're not good for societies since you are projecting very hard with that post. I am sorry that you feel so lost in life that you often have thoughts of ending it.
Ayden Russell
At least you tried
Andrew Davis
You always find it emerging in cultures during their period of cultural decline and decadence. Why? Because it's fucked up and gross.
Lincoln Powell
what examples in history do you have of this in cultures experiencing decadence and decline?
Daniel Allen
you still look like a dude so you could easily hide it
Samuel Clark
you don't know that. I want to imagine OP is a faggot, but a beautiful feminine faggot. honestly post op is disapointing.
Jeremiah Myers
Yeah there is no friend and your not a tranny. You just want to talk about burning faggots.
John Powell
Post op actually looks better than a lot of vaginas I've seen, but then again, it is plastic surgery for a reason.
Why haven't you committed suicide yet?
Eli Powell
>what are mukhannathun, hijras, fa'afafine, etc.
Carson Campbell
i just want feminine dick in my ass. post op couldn't give and recieve, though i guess strap on is an option.
Austin Myers
You could find out by just going to Armenia.
Alexander Myers
I wasn't aware that Cassius Dio was an SJW? Who is revising history now.
Jason Taylor
Don't respond to bait.
Cooper Campbell
>Also since I don't come across them so often, may I ask what's your reasoning for being MTF? I'm not an anti-trans person but I wonder if they would exist in a society where there are no gender roles or assigned genders. What I'm getting at is if gender is a social construct and trans-genderism sexist by its very nature. Not her, but another MtF here. It's kind of a complicated topic that not enough of us talk about. But basically anatomic dysphoria (so body stuff) is generally assumed to be not be influenced by society, so it would be there in a genderless society either way. As for gender roles, ultimately we live in a society with them and cross boundaries is difficult without suffering a lot of abuse. Someone who anatomically wants to be female, wants to act feminine and be perceived in a feminine manner, is better off integrating themselves into society as a woman rather than attempting to reject the binary and having to explain why gender roles are bollocks to everyone they meet. Basically if a society where 'men' and 'women' didn't exist (as social roles and gender norms, not biological categories) then the social dysphoria basically wouldn't be there, but the anatomical dysphoria would. Hope that cleared things up.
Carter Rogers
>you are projecting very hard
Christopher Cox
>her
Ryan Brown
I want trannies to fuck off from my board.
Camden Lewis
Related to topic, Chevalier D'Eon was a crossdresser and managed to keep people confused until his (her? can't remember what he turned out in the end) death.
I doubt that anyone would understand anything unless you specifically told them, in which case you'd probably get locked into a mental asylum rather than get burned at the stake (unless you insisted, from what I understand following the law to its word wasn't that common a phenomenon in the past and people often tried to convince those in trial to take routes that made less of a hassle).
Jayden Sanders
>mukhannathun I know the other two are Samoan and Hindu in origin, but what the fuck is that?
Mason Flores
Arabic
Hunter Gonzalez
You are forgetting that not all trannies are Tumblrinas.
Ryan Bennett
Nice source there, bud. Now please provide one that is legitimate and clickable.
> implying there are trannies here See .
Jaxon Diaz
Ok then, some think gender roles and gender are innate and that's why they are women. Happy?
Benjamin Gomez
Arabs execute degenerates so how could there be trannies in the Middle East, retard.
Bentley Garcia
They would have been instituted for homosexuality since there was no definition for transgenderism yet.
Luis Morgan
Trannies are tumblrinas by their very nature. Literally mistaking their mental illness for physical reality and trying to get everyone else to play along.
Nolan Taylor
What? There's plenty of historical documentation of the Mukhannathun and they generally weren't executed. I mean for fuck's sake, Iran performs the second most amount of sex reassignment surgeries in the world.
This isn't Reddit spacing. People were doing it before Reddit existed. Don't you feel silly, libcuck.
Andrew Brown
Nice GNAA link.
Hunter Rodriguez
This is what Veeky Forums has become
Joseph Perez
>t. tranny trash
Charles Stewart
Nice madpost, I'm not a degenerate unlike you.
Aiden Lopez
>defends trannies >i-i'm not one I swear
Isaac Evans
If your sexy enough and they didn't botch your crotch then you'd be fine just don't let it slip, honestly depending on your male features you might even be able to get away with looking a bit manly.
Andrew Lewis
You're projecting, tranny sucker.
Justin Morris
How come it's only Iran that performs sex reassignment surgery?
Logan Anderson
Egypt does too I think. As for why I'm not 100% sure. I just know that they like it as an alternative to homosex
Landon Brown
>I was just pretending
Jaxon Cox
Wouldn't that case problems if they perform sex reassignment surgery on someone who is solely homosexual and not transgender?
Gender dysphoria goes both ways.
Jason Cruz
Keep projecting.
Camden Allen
Because they feel as if the economic situation might be bad enough that they might as well try to make the population happy by letting them decide their gender. >Still absolutely haram
Sebastian Hughes
How am I projecting? I was replying to the tranny retard (probably you) who claimed trannies are not suicidal.
Oliver Long
Keep sucking that tranny dick, fag.
Jacob Davis
So none of them realize that someone can just be gay and not trans?
/pol/ is right, these people are moronic.
Wyatt King
>tranny mental ilness strikes again
Bentley Roberts
>I am a male-to-female tranny And a mental disability patient, evidently.
Ryan Jones
Feed me more projections.
Daniel Williams
Making trannies transition doesn't make them happier. Empirically proven.
Sebastian James
Tranny industry are literally just a pack of jewish psychiatrists and plastic surgeons trying to make a quick buck of out mentally ill people. It's pretty disgusting when you think about it.
Josiah Torres
Of course. I never said they do SRS for good reasons! This is just outright denial of statistics. SRS has been empirically proven to cause the opposite - most transwomen report very low regret rates and say it alleviates their dysphoria immensely.
Why is /pol/ and /lgbt/ in bed together if you hate them? That sounds like a very abusive relationship.
Oliver Cooper
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Hunter King
That doesn't answer the question.
Aiden Morris
How come the trannies portrayed in these images look like your usual /pol/ posters in wigs and bras?
Chase Green
Is /pol/ full of trannies? I don't know, I don't go there.
Bentley Rivera
i think he means they look like people from /pol/, other than the fact that they're trannies
Michael Gutierrez
This thread is disgusting. It just goes to show how the liberal cucks are trying to take over Veeky Forums.
Adrian Cook
No, certainly not. The social deviants of the time, for example witches, were only ever executed because they were a threat to society. They proselytized satanism, or sold poisons, or performed abortions. I assume you pass on some level, and even if they saw your genitals, the concept of catistrati existed back then (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castrato) to explain that away. Hell, Catastrati even existed within the hierarchy of the church. Honestly, the biggest red flag for you would be the fact that your language would be nigh intelligible pretty much everywhere.
Oliver Jones
>they look like trannies except they're not trannies
