Most underrated President ever

Most underrated President ever.

If by underrated you mean in his contribution to the destruction of the West as a whole.

Are you retarded ? He tried to warn the French about their terms on versallies but they didn't listen and hitler rose to power

Leaders are not ranked based on their intentions, but rather their results.

He literally had veto power on every clause. He is worse for civilization than Ghengis khan and Atilla the hun.

what an absolute asshat of a president, all the progressives can get fucked
direct election of senators has just about destroyed the constitutional republic and morphed into a shitshow where the actual states have little to no voice
the federal reserve has grown into a massive beast that nobody has any oversight over
he ran on keeping the US out of the war and then pushed to enter it. and he caused hundreds of thousands of needless deaths by sending everyone in giant spanish flu incubators
and let's not forget his wife illegally running shit while he lay dying. fuck wilson

I'll never understand why Veeky Forums loves him, and /pol/ hates him

He's about as memorable as Nebraska

Evil cunt who destroyed my beautiful empire.

This. The worst president prior to Obama.

Because the faggots that post here are fucking commies.

The hungarians killed the empire long before Wilson had the chance, that an the fact that despite constant calls to do fucking something about the ethnic tensions in the empire most've them kicked their feet up and did fuck all.

But he wasn't commie???
He was one of the first presidents to take an active role in fighting socialism/communism
By imprisoning socialists that spoke out against the war.

>le Austria Hungary was destroyed from within maymay
Nice Entente propaganda

Wilson is literally the personification of the golden mean fallacy
>completely destroying Germany would be bad
>doing almost nothing to them would also be bad
>so we should demand just enough concessions to piss them off, then not enforce any of the arms limitation clauses
bravo

wtf i hate Woodrow Wilson now?

>tfw you're remembered as a great "progressive president" despite holding routine screenings for "Birth of a Nation" in the White House

Hungary doomed the Empire in 1848.

>(You)

Income Tax

state propaganda

criminalized dissent against the war

state agents going into schools telling kids to turn their parents in for thought crimes.

Who recalls him as a "progressive president"? I have never heard that claim from anybody.

Wilson's actually pretty boss in that his idea of "self-determination of nations" came alongside "Liberal Democracy is the best government for nations *wink*" which resulted to.
1) Half of European colonies demanding that they follow the League of Nation's ideas of Self-Determination.
2) America being seen as a champion of freedom(tm)

He pretty much laid the foundations of American dominance even before WWII assdevastated the Europeans colonial powers once and for all.

Everybody who criticizes him over the war conveniently forgets the alternative. If not for Wilson, America would have entered the war far sooner. Wilson kept America out of WW1 his entire first term. The Republicans would have sent Americans to Europe to fight in the war in 1914 had they held the White House during that time. Wilson wasn't perfect, but he was better than the alternative.

inept leadership was doing that for generations prior to wilson

>I have never heard that claim from anybody.
well then you're an absolute moron
he spent his entire political career being labeled a progressive democrat and he was the progressive champion until FDR

>History in lightning

>implying Wilson has to do with 1930's appeasement
>implying Wilson was the one to refuse USA's entry into Society of Nations

get fucked

He waited too long to declare war. He should have immediately declared war after the Armenians asked for help.

> the federal reserve has grown into a massive beast that nobody has any oversight over

Lmao, I guess you are one of those retards who think we should go back to the gold standard, money supply and cost of borrowing be damned.

>wanting government oversight over a central bank somehow makes you a tinfoil hat wearing libertarian
what the fuck

There is government oversight. The Chair of the Fed is appointed by the President, and appointees must be confirmed by the Senate. That's oversight.

still waiting for that audit report

Everyone hates Wilson, from left to right. Lets keep it that way.

>implying Genghis Khan's reign wasn't a boon to Western and Eastern civilization

the khans' empires stabilized asia enough to allow silk road trade to boom. allowing goods and ideas to travel.

Progressive Party was an outgrowth from his supporters. The Wilsonian model still echoes in American foreign policy today. Because of him America has a grasp on the worlds balls.

The Fed has an annual audit. You can find it on their website.

>"progressive"
>set civil rights back by 50 years
DEVILISH

He was too intelligent for his time.

The Obama before Obama; A well-educated moron that demonstrates the problem with academics as leaders rather than advisors.

>The West

Europe and NA/SA

>America would have entered the war far sooner

this would've been more acceptable than entering in 1917..

had the US entered the war in 1914-16 it would've arguably been shorter and there would've been somewhat less pressure on the french and british to be as harsh, Russia would probably be a mess but not outright bolshevik-sponsored civil war, oh and there would likely be fewer racial tensions due to the government not being re-segregated.

>I'll never understand why Veeky Forums loves him,
Because people suck his dick over the meaninglessness of his ideals, while in the real world the results he generated with following them were absolute dogshit. He laid the groundwork for modern day neocons, and betrayed the history of his own party by establishing the Fed.

>Lmao, I guess you are one of those retards who think we should go back to the gold standard, money supply and cost of borrowing be damned.

Tell me how a nation where a board of seven academic hacks holds the power to determine the value and worth of a mans labor, the price he pays at the store, and his ability to find gainful employment, can be considered free, and then you have a starting point for why the central banks should exist in supposedly democratic nations.

>The Chair of the Fed is appointed by the President, and appointees must be confirmed by the Senate.

It will only become oversight when it becomes an actual issue in the election. Until then politicians have no incentive to appoint people who will do general good for the economy, only those who will artificially inflate it so as to look good for the next election. It is of almost no surprise, that since the end of the Gold Standard, almost every Fed Chairman and his/her board has been an avid fan of easy money.

>academics as leaders rather than advisors.
If a persons academic knowledge can't get them to make the right choices while leading, how will their advice help?

he was the goodest of goys

Amazing people can have opinions like this in total denial of the fact that nations with central banks like England since the 17th century were much more fiscally solvent and financially stable than those without like ancien regime France.

>nations with central banks like England since the 17th century were much more fiscally solvent and financially stable than those without like ancien regime France.

My post isn't about central banking, it's about the Fed and more particularly the Fed as is. The BoE was chained to specie for nearly all its operation, and had a fundamentally different purpose, than the modern day Fed. And notice how in my posts my primary complaint is in reference to now that Fed chairs have far more power to control the money supply in either direction, Presidents have almost always chosen the easy money, discretionary choice candidate.

when you think you know it all, already. you make shitty choices.

when you know what you don't know and know to listen to council. you tend to think things over more before acting. plus have a larger sample size of opinions on matters.

it is a wisdom vs intelligence debate.

> The BoE was chained to specie for nearly all its operation

The Bank of England went fiat much earlier than the Federal Reserve, in 1931. Then there's the fact that the modern economy is so huge, no amount of specie is enough to act as a reserve. Tying the value of your money to specie also means that any specie leaving the country means a magnified effect on the money supply, which then magnifies itself even further through fraction reserve banking.

You might have a problem with the Fed, but you haven't proposed any alternatives rather than "muh non-viable gold standard", or some sort of "oversight" which already exists. People who rant against "easy money" also have little idea how catastrophically destructive deflation is to an economy. I'm certain that the Fed will go as far as to throw money out of windows in order to prevent deflation.

He is basically at fault for 70% of the bad situations in the world today.

You should have at least a minimal understanding of history to post here. You ought to know by now that the terms of Versailles were anything but harsh and the fact that germany wasn't properly weakened left them with enough strength to start another war.

Truth, he's the GOAT

That's not Harding.

commies want to ruin the USA

wilson ruined the USA

commies are happy