Find a flaw

Find a flaw

French intelligence and morale

Flawless. Tanks can't cross the Ardennes obviously

If anything it was too over built.
Memes

>In WW1, Germany got around all the forts on our eastern border by passing through Belgium.

>Surely they'd never do something like that again.

>Waiting for the enemy to attack you, when you could attack them and end it
The maginot line mindset is dumb

French involvement

Done

That was the point, to force the Germans to attack through Belgium.
The mobile forces of the French Army, the BEF and Belgian Army is what failed, not the Maginot Line

Are you referring to WW1 or 2?
Because the Belgians and BEF did a great job against a much bigger enemy army in WW1. Germs got butthurt since they hoped the Belgians would just hand them the keys to their fortresses and instead met heavy resistance which quite possibly bought France time and saved Paris.

WW2 was a shitshow though. The Brits and French only really started to put pressure on the german land army in 1942. Though Britain can be excused since her navy and later airforce were her strong points, you don't judge a drummer by his ability to write lyrics

there's no flaw

when will they learn?

Belgium.

What reason did the French and British have to think that Germany would not invade through Belgium again?

They knew that any invasion would come through Belgium. That's why the cartoon depicts the line as being thinner towards the edge. But they thought that the French Army was strong enough that it wouldn't matter.

Belgium had its own forts, nobody expected German paratroopers to BTFO of them so quickly

>The Brits and French only really started to put pressure on the german land army in 1942.
wut

They didn't, the British/French plan was to reinforce the Belgian Army along the Meuse and fight the Germans there.
Made sence in the thirties when they were in alliance with the Belgians and could forward deploy forces before hostilities broke out,.
But when the French and Brits failed to act when Germany re militarised the Rhineland, Belgium declared neutrality. So the French and Brits could only start moving towards the Meuse when Germany actually invaded.
And they ended up losing the race.

1939 - hide behind wall
1940 - btfo out of continental europe
1940 - RAF defeats Luftwaffle
1941 - Fucking about in NA
1942 - Russians are dealing with the actual German land armies so brits can afford to be a bit more cocky

They thought the Germans would invade through Belgium, however, that the Ardennes (SE Belgium & Luxemburg) would not support a large invasion force into France due to terrain. The British and French tanks had trouble with hills and mountainous terrain; so did the German ones in the Spanish Civil War.... and then the Anschluss.... then the occupation of the Sudetenland. Eventually, the Germans learned how to make armor that didn't break down when crossing rough terrain.

If you look at the maps showing the placement of the armies and divisions, they're weighted to the north, towards Flanders. The idea was Germany would occupy all of Belgium and then push south, not push right through the Ardennes. This is why we got that pocket in the Battle of France where the allied armies get isolated & demolished, forcing the evacuation from Dunkirk.

They thought that in the eventuality of and attack through the Ardennes it would be a huge traffic jam and then only a narrow advance, which it was.
The allied air forces failed in reconnaissance and then in interdiction, and the allied armoured divisions and light mechanised divisions had many chances to cut across very narrow German advanced and encircle the encirclers. Which the missed due to poor communications/coordination and slowness of command.

Why does Luxembourg exist as an independent country?

Then why not build it across Belgium's border too? Just in case?

Same way any small state exists......by partnering up to a larger, more powerful state.

Because that's a surefire way to make sure that Belgium joins Germany.

Because inheritance laws. The dutchies kept it in their divorce from Belgium, and I think Luxemburg had male-only inheritance when the Dutch had a more gender-neutral one, so when they got a queen Luxemburg became independent. This came after German unification, otherwise Luxemburg would probably have been integrated into the reich.

Belgium didn't want that. They thought that if France built a wall behind them, then France would have no incentive to rapidly respond.

There were lighter fortifications along the Belgian border, and they were probably going to be expanded over time. Nobody, not even really the Germans, was ready to fight in '39.

Luxemburg has no historical, ethnic, cultural connection to Germany or Germans whatsoever.

Woah I never noticed that part before

>Implying this matters to Germany

Because at the Versailles conference, Americans kept bragging about how Germans were good boys
So people started to believe it

Nobody thought tanks could cross the Ardennes. Also, nobody had imagined you could field entire mechanized divisions of tanks alone and send them ahead the rest of your army to encircle the enemy.

The Blitzkrieg tactics surprised the Allies and caught them with their pants down.

Guderian was an underrated genius.

They did think they would go through Belgium again. The Hitler Manstein plan bets on the French and Brits racing north to reinforce Belgium and sneaks through the 'impassable' ardenne to BTFO the allies from behind. Even better was how confident the French were, they moved all their reserves into the fight and the reserve that Foche had to save Paris with in 1914 was already trapped in 1940.

Waffles didn't build their own defense line.

France didn't use their tanks properly.

Charles De Gaul literally wrote a book outlining the Blitz.

>Guderian
>Underrated
He's one of the most sucked off Axis generals though, his only competition is Rommel

>Charles De Gaul literally wrote a book outlining the Blitz.
de Gaulle's "book" is highly overrated due to the fact that no one ever reads it.

Yes, but his book was dismissed by the French High Command at the time, he was just a coronel back then.

Still underrated.

Germans read it, Hitler read it to other people in Germany.

2nd Reich.
Guess you should look up the first one.

And also, around the 19th century it became militarily convenient to have a chunk of neutral land between you and another power to decrease the amount of shared frontier and if your the British to keep a neutral market on the continent with which to get good ashore.

>Also, nobody had imagined you could field entire mechanized divisions of tanks alone
Every country had mechanized divisions in 1940. France had 6 armored divisions and 8 light mechanized divisions with cavalry tanks.
Also, mechanized divisions were not formations containing only tanks.
Your understanding of armored warfare in the early days of WW2 is...lacking to say the least.

>Guess you should look up the first one.
Are you retarded? You think Italy is part of Germany because they were part of the
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No sane or not retarded person would have made that argument in the 19th century and no sane or not retarded person would do it today.

He also wrote the French constitution and its trash it should be ignored

>Germans read it, Hitler read it to other people in Germany.
No, Germans did not read it. Hitler did not read it.

the only problem with the 5th Republic is that it is unitary instead of federal.

Muh memes.

Except even Hitler and his government argued the bohemia and Moravia were German provinces with heavy Germanic cultural influences because of the
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Voltaire is the reddit of the 18th century. He's the equivalent to Bernie Sanders. The HRE meme is pure reddit

Except Bohemia and Moravia are actually places with heavy Germanic influences, people spoke German there, oldest German university is there, and myriads of other cultural and ethnic ties.
Dumb faggot.

>Voltaire is the reddit of the 18th century. He's the equivalent to Bernie Sanders.

One of the great enlightenment thinkers vs a champagne socialist

Why would Guderian be underrated in an operation planned by Manstein?

>Ackshally there are photographs of the Bernster at protest marches or something

he was at some late civil rights marches. then he fucked off to vermont. where he wrote for a communist newspaper while living off his friends. then was a mayor, then a house rep, then a senator.