I'm trying to learn more about prehistoric Europe, but it seems that this field is dominated by crypto-feminists who kiss Marija Gimbutas's ass. For those who've never heard of her, Gimbutas was a feminist who theorised the existence of a matriarchal society in Europe before the Indo-European migrations.
According to her, ancient European worshipped the supreme mother goddess, were peaceful and enlightened, and Europe was basically a paradise until those evil patriarchal Indo-Europeans came. Yes, most archaeologists actually believe this crap. It pisses me off.
Help me, Veeky Forums. Recommend me some rational, non-feminist archaeologist.
Nolan Gray
Unfortunately no one wrote down the prehistory, OP.
Parker Sullivan
Yeah, I know that this board is about history, not prehistory, but I didn't know where else to ask.
Tyler Garcia
Gimbutas speculations have been questioned by many scholars, linguists and geneticists
Ian Wood
the closest thing to pre-history would be romans meeting tribals and the egyptian book of the dead
Ayden Ortiz
/pre/ when?
Nathan Edwards
Well your first problem is since your subject is before any writing, the only information you will be able to use will be archaeological remains, and the problem with that is archaeologists have to use inference if they are going to bother explaining the "how did it happen".
The problem with using inference is it can lead to retarded shit like the Nazis claiming all of Poland due to pots all the way to retarded Feminists claiming Europe followed a united Mother Goddess.
Reality is, besides the ruins we can find and date, we don't fucking know what happened and can only guess
Parker Campbell
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Adrian Morales
Archaeology, anthropology, sociology, etc. all count as "humanities".
Luke Fisher
dark souls?
Daniel Rogers
>egyptian book of the dead What the actual fuck does that have to do with prehistory?
Colton Campbell
>ancient European worshipped the supreme mother goddess well at least there is archaeological evidence to support that hypothesis
Easton Perry
>Yes, most archaeologists actually believe this crap no they don't
Angel Gomez
Oh, because we have the text where the people that produced that statue describe it as a supreme mother goddess, right?
No, we don't, and you and your gang of pre-historic fan-fic authors are full of shit.
Nathaniel Taylor
many pre indo-european feminine idols have been discovered but no male ones have so the evidence clearly points in that direction. its ironic that youre getting emotional about this issue instead of evaluating the data objectively mr manly man
Lucas Allen
Or instead of mystic idols, they could be prehistoric porno. Besides men tend to be more autistic about pussy than women are about dick
Nathan Perry
>Yes, most archaeologists actually believe this crap. Umm... no, I don't think so.
Hudson Lopez
whatever helps you sleep at night tough guy
Jacob Miller
Seems like you are the one that needs to be right to be able to sleep at night, more then the guy whom is actually asking a few questions.
Owen Johnson
im just posting the evidence which is more than anyone else itt has done
Grayson Sanders
>dodging the question Besides it would make more sense considering we have modern day president of men using them as something to suppress their crippling loneliness
Landon Foster
yeah I would totally fap to a carved stone
Cooper Williams
if you want to adopt that interpretation that is your prerogative but i doubt many archaeologists would agree with you
Brayden Thomas
Not the same guy, but I think I get his point. He's not challenging the evidence, he's challenging your interpretation of it. The idea that the idols depict a singular goddess is unlikely. The idols aren't necessarily religious either, nor does worship of goddesses necessarily imply matriarchy. Gimbutas is making logical leaps that are probably influenced by her political views.
Adrian King
When porn never existed and the smartest of your kind was working on the revolutionary technology of red ochre paint and stone spearhead number 132 a carved stone is the best you're gonna get
Sebastian Jones
>well at least there is archaeological evidence to support that hypothesis
Logic must still be used when speculating on how the society was structured and functioned.
You can find lots of crucifixes in Mexico but that doesn't mean the country is model of Christian perfection.
Levi Torres
when caveman fancied a fuck he only needed to make a hand gesture to any women of the tribe, they were happy simple folks
Hunter Phillips
you can interpret the figurines however you like but given the prevalence of fertility goddesses in other cultures i think it is more likely that they served a cultic purpose rather than just being fap fuel but believe whatever you want
Christian Hughes
but it does mean that jesus christ is considered a deity by a large percentage of the population
Isaac Sanders
Or in a primitive society where might makes right, the strongest warrior and his henchmen took all the pussy for themselves?
Jaxon Myers
Probably, but that doesn’t mean ancient European society was a feminist chick flick, as modern SJW academics claim.
Jacob Wood
And the beta males had to satisfy themselves with stone waifus? Truly this is the greatest historical question of our time
Thomas Morgan
sharing is caring
Eli Watson
ok well instead of arguing against a strawman maybe you should read the thread and see that my only point has been the hypothesis that pre indo-europeans worshiped a supreme mother goddess has archaeological evidence to support it
Anthony Wright
>future archaeologists will think we worshipped lewd anime figurines
These figurines were probably not much than fapping tools
Levi Thompson
One of the reasons anthropologists believe prehistoric hunter gatherers were more egalitarian is from studies of modern or recent hunter gatherer populations and how modernization has affected them.
Henry Stewart
Ahhahahahhahahaja epic. Except that They were often buried with them and as soon as They got agricultural They started putting them in their temples
Justin Nelson
youtube is not a valid source of information Brian
Andrew Ross
They have found a mesolithic one in Sardinia too though it has the head of a capibara
Julian Nguyen
>tfw future archeologists will determine that a weaboo who decided to get buried with his figurine collection and $60 mail order katana was a mighty warrior buried with his weapon and collection of religious statues
Jeremiah Nguyen
>His NEET bedroom full of Anime posters was a place of worship for the many Godlike Dieties anime NEETS worshiped in order to grant them good fortune or a 3DPD gf
Wyatt Mitchell
You retards are a lost cause
Anthony Rodriguez
Watch he Norwegian "Brainwash" docs series episode on Violence. It's on YouTube. They cover that theory and how debunked it is
Landon Rogers
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Isaiah Price
Neolithic and paleolithic are different eras, retard, and anyway the earliest neolithic figurines are obviously females
Jaxon Morales
>comparing fucking bronze age Crete, a complex urban stratified society with mesolithic Europe, a place inhabited by hunter gatherers living in small nomadic communitues without social stratification
Blake Smith
>influenced by political
If you look at this period and find that there's a fuckton of artifacts in the form of feminine figures, none of men, and you also realize that fertility cult was very common in a variety of cultures along a vast area of Europe, perhaps, just perhaps, those are good enough grounds to speculate that there was a wide prevalence of worship of goddesses associated to fertility cult as opposed to any other interpretation.
Nathan King
>Gimbutas was a feminist
Retard.
>But "I was not a feminist and never had any thought I would be helping feminists," she said.
Lincoln Garcia
This is why /pol/tards shouldn't be allowed to make threads, because you can't make any rational criticisms other than buzzwords.
David Cook
And worshipping a goddess of fertility automatically means a matriarchal feminist paradise, gotcha
Matthew Smith
Your post is quite ironic
Justin Walker
This isn't a body of young fertile woman. This is a body of old woman past her prime that stays at the fire and takes care of the kids while others go hunting and gathering.
More of protectors of the fire and raisers of children, rather than fertility goddesses or even fap material.
Hudson Price
We’re still talking about humans here, where a bazillion years of evolution hard-wired into us a philosophy of “tits or get the fuck out”.
Just because Neolithic humans had statuettes of women, doesn’t automatically lead to a matriarchal feminist society where stronk womyn ruled the roost, especially when there is little or no additional evidence to support this theory and the archeological evidence clearly shows males were of a higher standing and in fact evidence from ritual burials, appears to show that even dogs had a higher status then women.
Levi King
How do we know that this isn't the prehistoric equivalent of porn?
Landon Evans
>I'm trying to learn more about prehistoric Europe >post picture of Peru
Michael Ortiz
Or they are just dolls.
You have no reason to believe one over the other.
Owen Watson
>archeological evidence clearly shows males were of a higher standing
No
> and in fact evidence from ritual burials, appears to show that even dogs had a higher status then women.
This is your brain on /pol/ and virginity
Jace Turner
> This is your brain on /pol/ and virginity Roastie detected