Is mao the total manifestation of the phrase:

is mao the total manifestation of the phrase:

"you either die a hero..."

"or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

Mao is the eternal chad

Still looks like a hero to many

There are two ways to dehumanize someone, make them a villain or a hero.

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Not really.
Maos legacy can be described as a very accomplished guerilla leader but an absolutely retarded peace time administrator

young mao was kinda cute

so was castro

> either die a hero
> durr let me tell you how we gon get fed now ya hear
> nekk minnit
The Chinese must have a pretty messed up view of what constitutes a hero, or was Chang-kai-Shrek really that bad?

He was also the tallest Chinaman to have existed

Mao died a villain but became a hero later on

The power of state propaganda

Unironically Hitler

>WW1 veteran
>Disgusted with what post-war Germany has become
>Gets jailed
>Released
>Works his way up as Chancellor
>Eventually gets to be leader of the country
>Sweeping reforms to the economy and massive public investment
>Germany hosts the Olympics and it's pretty good
>Even foreign leaders think he's actually quite fucking cool
>Gets named TIME person of the year

Everything after that was just a fucking mess.

Once again, making it to the cover of Time Magazine is not an endorsement.
It simply means you are influential.

Yeah, If he didnt do all that other dumb shit he would have gone down as one of the greatest leaders in European history.

Mao will always be a hero because of pic related.

If he died shortly after winning peace we'd be calling him Mao the Great, but because he lived longer he'll still have to wait a generation or two more for the rightful title.

No that’s Hitler.

No.
Map wasn’t corrupted by power or anything like that, he simply went batshit insane and had almost complete authority to do what he wanted.

Mao was not a military leader in any way.

The ideas of "the People's War" are the brainchild of two of the best generals in the CCP, Peng Dehuai and Zhu De.

He was a villain from the beginning to the end.

>buying into western media this much.

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>Mao will always be a hero because of pic related.

I'm sorry, I don't understand. Please elaborate?

Mao embodies what goes wrong when you don't follow the saying "quit while you're ahead".

Mao and his buddies went on a really long walk and people shot at them occasionally.
Because of this we should let go his directly causing the deaths of tens of millions of people.

Not anymore. They pussed out on UBL and now, like the nobel committee, their word is worthless.

actually "the chinese are short" is a meme

If there were two words that could be use to describe Chiang's leadership during the civil war they would be incompetent and corrupt. To cover their war debts the GMD simply printed more money, and that combined with shortages of consumer goods spiraled hyperinflation incredibly out of control. Prices in July 1948 were three million times higher than in July 1937, and in 1949 the situation deteriorated even further. By late 1947 the very fabric of rural society was unraveling. In 1948 48 million people, roughly 10% of the population were refugees.

Here's a quote from a state department report to president truman evaluating Chiang's position in the spring of 1947

>the basis of the present regime's support has been the urban population: government employees and teachers, intellectuals, and business and industrial circles. At present, no one among these people has any positive feelings toward the Nanjing regime. The [GMD's] tyrannical style is causing deep hatred among liberal elements...the government officials by indulging in corrupt practices and creating every kind of obstruction have caused extreme dissatisfaction in business and industrial circles. The violent rise in prices...and the continuation of civil war is causing sounds of resentment to be heard everywhere...

source: Kai Suzanne Pepper, "The GMD-CCP Conflict 1945-1949" p. 781

winning the civil war was just as amazing a feat as the long march, the GMD really had every advantage over the CCP in 1945

the cultural revolution was essentially a power struggle though, Mao was trying to get control of the party back and purge his enemies

>oh those poor land lords, how dare you end feudalism

>TIME person of the year is for good guys only
Retard

No he wouldn't. Even his supposed diplomatic finesse, from 1933-1939, falls apart on closer examination. All he was really doing was putting his head down like a bull and charging forward on the hope that his enemies were bluffing. He's like a mediocre quarterback who seems flashy for a couple years and gets a lot of attention as a possible all-time great, but then gets figured out and no-one takes him seriously again.
He wasn't a brilliant leader, he was a passionate lunatic who bought into his own bullshit and ran a guru trip on the whole country.

Who said so?

>"you either die a hero..."
>Unironically Hitler

the things he did later were part of his ideological program. the economic recovery would never have worked the way it did without the war and in the nazi view of lebensraum in the east a violent expansion was seen as inevitable. all of what the nazis eventually did was right there in their ideology from the very beginning. some might not have realized the necessary consequences that followed from their ideas in the beginning but the nazi horrors were not an aberration from an initially positive path, they were taking things to their logical conclusion.

I never made that claim, learn to read you dumb faggot.
Another waste of a post. Neck yourself

so what is your point?

I read in a book by Allen Dulles that Chiang Kai Shek had him surrounded at one point the Long March, but the KGB ransomed his son on the condition that Chiang let Mao escape the encirclement

Is this true?

the KGB was founded in 1954 so I'm gonna say no

Nah, it was... christ every founding emperor ever.
>Qin Shi Huang, after being held a captive in an enemy state, grows to reunifies China after 500 years of constant conflict and define the centralization that marks the civilization for thousands of years onwards, then his obsessive paranoia kills him and his entire dynasty only lasts 15 years in total
>Liu Bang is born a peasant, despite being a complete delinquent manages to assemble a dream team of extremely capable people, many of whom come from humble backgrounds as well, overcomes odds to defeat one of the largest states pre-qin, then becomes a paranoid faggot and kills/exiles half of the people who helped him
>Liu Bei is a minor scion of the Han who is pretty much treated like nothing by everyone else, recruits a peasant army with two other peasants, manages to stand against the overwhelming military might of Wei and ensure a successor to the Han, then in a moment of stupidity Xiaoting happens, and he dies a faggot in some obscure castle town forced to leave the future of his entire adult life's work into the hands of his retarded 16-year old son

When Mao was alive it wasn't.