Rape and History of it

Is rape really natural way of procreation?

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Sure if you're invading other countries. Don't think they actively encouraged on their home turf though.

Of course. It doesn't mean it is morally tolerable in modern polite society.

Half of these "morality is a spook", "rape is natural" etc can be summed up as:

"Hey did you guys realize that the only thing restraining people from engaging in the worst possible behaviors is morality which acts as a self-restraint on ourselves, which we then impose on others?"

or TLDR version:

Natural life is an anarchy which leaves us free to impose "the rules". The disobedient will be punished with the use of power.

Killing your enemy and taking their women has been a natural thing for as long as we have been living in tribes.

rape is crime even in tribal societies

Not really. Most reproduction in human prehistory was consensual. Think about it: if rape was the dominant form of reproduction the best evolutionary strategy would be becoming stronger. However early humans clearly didn't evolve to be stronger, instead they devlopedd better itelligence and communication skills. This indicates that convincing women to have sex with you (by providing for her for example, which required a wider set of skills) was a better strategy then forced sex.

We probably own much of our intelligence and civilization to the fact that our ancestors got to select partners instead of just raping or getting raped.

This is bullshit. We developed certain traits that allowed us to more effectively RAISE offspring. Communication and intelligence allow us to survive and thus have and successfully raise more (surviving) children. The impregnation part was never an evolutionary bottleneck.

Prehistory was mostly female-on-male rape.
>inb4 some beta says that's his fetish

Women can't raise a child effectively all on their lonesome, so rape was likely not the default means of procreation.

depends what you mean by rape and what you mean by natural

A husband raping his wife? Yeah sure, arranged marriage was basically standard procedure for most of human history.

A man raping a random woman, possibly someone else's wife? Definetely never natural or accepted in any way. Literally one of the worst crimes you can commit in any society.

The majority of extremely primitive tribal societies to fully sophisticated civilizations condemn rape, it's only in very fringe instances where it's accepted.

you're that /pol/ack spamming rape threads there, right?

>We developed certain traits that allowed us to more effectively RAISE offspring.
And how did we develop those traits?
Females selected for them, because the feedback loop would leave their offspring with better opportunities, as you stated.

Also, getting traumatized by members of your own tribe is not really good for social cohesion. People are very social animals and the survival of tribes always depended on cooperation much more then individual strength.

You are talking pure shit. There was no selection involved in the development of communication skills and intelligence. It was a result of survival of the fittest. It really had nothing to do with whether the child was offspring of rape or consensual sex. What matters is that its parents are of the type that are able to survive and thrive in their environment so that their child can go on to reproduce itself. The reason we don't like rape is because it turns out tribal structures break down real quick if there's dudes going around fucking anything they can.

Husband cannot rape wife

rape has a higher chance of conception than consensual sex, its thought that the extreme stress can trigger ovulation

t. Achmed

Haploshits confirm mass rape prior to proper civilizations

The concept of marital rape literally didn't even exist until the 1970s and it's absolutely nonsensical because the wife already gave a consent to sex when she got married.

Not rape, more like cucking.

No, of course not. Look at any non-human animal species and you'll see behavior exactly like this.

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Rape is completely unnatural and only happens because of institutional misogyny and patriarchy.

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>"feminism for bros"
>close link

For the Greek colonists invading Sicily?

Absolutely, they were only men

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>There was no selection involved in the development
>It was a result of survival of the fittest

Can you see why I'm done arguing with you?

>You couldn't rape somebody until it was written in law that you could

Ok Achmed.

>survival of the fittest is women lining up eligible males and choosing the fittest

My use of the word selection was unfortunate there, but I clearly did not mean natural selection there. I was referring to your retarded idea that it was women literally choosing the most intelligent males to breed and that's why we developed intelligence.

God, I jerked off so many times to this movie. The French, man. God bless em.

You know the rules. You rape the enemy, not your own

The vikings used to rape their enemies even males.

>that it was women literally choosing the most intelligent males to breed and that's why we developed intelligence.
Not guy you replied too, but yes that's basically what happened.
Watch any nature show, the male has to attract the female, otherwise she just runs away and joins a non-rapist guy's pack.

>if rape was the dominant form of reproduction the best evolutionary strategy would be becoming stronger. However early humans clearly didn't evolve to be stronger, instead they devlopedd better itelligence and communication skills
But better intelligence and communication skills is definitely an advantage for rapists.
Especially for tribal rapists, who would surely team up to capture other tribes' women.

Of course it's all speculation, but I really expect that if the most common female sexual fantasy is rape, it's because the women who felt that way in the past were selected for.

No

You're the fucking brainlet here. It doesn't matter if you knock up 12 women if all your kids die. You can't seem to take your mind off sexual selection, which is only a part of human reproductive strategy, because you're a dumb nigger from TRP.

Research Cad vs Dad.

Essentially, no. Not when a species has a comparable number of males and females.

The director is Argentinian though

Of course. Raped women get pregnant more easily.

>better itelligence and communication skills
So men of your band/tribe can capture and rape the women of a neighboring band/tribe

How common was the rape of men throughout history? I read somewhere that in certain places men would be raped as punishment for adultery?

>arranged marriage is rape

Sometimes she doesn't feel like it. You shouldn't be able to force her then.