What happened to the Celtic language of the Austrians?

Wut

I doubt Celts ever met Slavs.

They inhabited the lands settled by said Slavs so there definitely was contact. The region was not completely depopulated.

Boii in Czech were subjugated by Slavs.

Slavic expansion happened way too late.
Celts were already Germanized and Roman'd.

Maybe in a few isolated pockets in the Alps there were some left but such wouldn't necessarily be places Slavs went into.

No Germanic tribe settled down in the area of modern Austria when the tribes that would be known as the Carantanians settled there. As for them speaking Latin - I have never seen any source stating they were completely Romanised. Nevertheless, they did not disappear when Roman rule in the region ended. During the migration period, they fled the valleys and settled in higher elevated areas but were assimilated at some point. All that was left were old celtic and Illyrian (Illyrian tribes inhabited the region later part of Noricum before the Celtic expansion) names and the ruins of those hilltop refuges.

So are modern day Austrians just colonised Slavs or is there an equal influence of germanic or celtic genetics?

Czechs are mostly Celtic genetically.

Slavic/Celtic/Etruscan mix

Raetians were Etruscans and I guess they give some Austrians their brownish exotic look(like Jorg Haider).

They're Germanics to the West and Slavs to the East. They're Germanic because they speak a Germanic language.

Austrian R1b subclade is U106, a Germanic one, not Celtic.

They're all of those. Mixture of Germans, Slavs and Celts.

>No Germanic tribe settled down in the area of modern Austria

Actually, Marcomanni and Quadi settled in Trans-Danubian Austria in the first century so you'd expect some remaining there like in Bohemia.

In the sixth century, Bavarii and Alemanni settled parts of Austria about the same time Slavs and Avars were coming from the East.

>I have never seen any source stating they were completely Romanised

We can't know I guess

Mostly Slavic but there was significant Bavarian colonisation.

Those Germanic tribes all moved on. Bavarians only settled the westernmost parts of Upper Austria.

>Mostly Slavic

Is there any upper limit to how delusional Slavs can be with their wewuzzery?

>what retards think
Celts lived in the area, then moved away, Germanics moved into the area, then moved away, Slavs moved into the area
>what actually happened
The same group of faggots have been living there since the neolithic and they've been just changing languages based on who controlled their territory

"Migration period" is a fucking meme

>Those Germanic tribes all moved on.

It is assumed that some Marcomanni stayed in Bohemia (confirmed by archaeological findings), so it's not a stretch to believe that Northern Austria was not completely empty either. The guy you were talking to probably meant the Germanics in Bohemia anyway.

>Bavarians only settled the westernmost parts of Upper Austria.

I know. In the 9th century (your pic) Caranthania was already under Bavarian overlordship and likely started penetrating the country already.

It's more like 50-50

women spread their legs to the conquerors

>>what retards think
Celts lived in the area, then moved away, Germanics moved into the area, then moved away, Slavs moved into the area

While there was undoubtly some sort of continuity, historical sources do tell us that certain places were abandoned by large parts of the population. Archaeological findings often confirm a decline in population for that period.

>The same group of faggots have been living there since the neolithic

Genetics confirm that there was a substantial influx of Indo-Europeans in the Bronze Age which lead to a transformation of the previous populations.

>Boii
always gets a giggle out of me

Even if they did there was never enough conquerors to completely change the population. It was kind of like European colonization in Africa, just because some Nigerian speaks English and his ancestors from 300 years ago didn't, it doesn't make him an Englishman.
Take Hungary for example: based on the historical peoples who conquered that area, we are led to believe the area was Pannonian, then Celtic, then Germanic, then Slavic, then Magyar, then Turkish, then Magyar again. Yet genetics show us Hungary pretty much the same genetic profile as it did in the Neolithic. It didn't really change all that much.

>Yet genetics show us Hungary pretty much the same genetic profile as it did in the Neolithic.

Does it?

This is just your personal opinion.
It has no basis in reality.

Neolithic Hungarians weren't like modern ones. They were similar to Sardinians.

Alamani moved in. However there is still Romansh speaking minority populations in the Alps to this very day.

>ITT
>brainlets learn that there is more to the migration age than just genetics

Romansh fear the Austrian warrior though

Romansh is mostly spoken in today Switzerland. However other roman minority languages like Ladin exist in the region.
In General the entire area was settled by different Germanic Tribes, Langobardi, Burgundi, Allemanni, Bavarii, Markomanni, whilst remnants of the Roman-Celtic population retreated to the Alps or just blended into the new population.

don't worry. bavaria used to be slavic as well.

Actually no, historically Bavaria was the HRE border province against the Hungarians.

There were no Bavarians in Carantania before it came under Bavarian rule. The majority of the population was Carantanian and the natives were Celtic.

There was a small base but migrations into the region did occur.

True, I posted it primarily to show the approximate western border.

>migration period is a maymay!!!!1
>english are 1/3 germanic

hmm...

actually you don't know what you're talking about.

Says border area in that "source" of yours. Feel free to recapitulate the history of the Hungarian wars, especially the battle of Lechfeld.

Funny how Slavs seem to think that a single drop of Slavish blood makes people Slavs

Usually that kind of thinking is applied to negroid blood

they were slavs because they spoke slavic. it's simple, language and culture dictate who you are and where you belong.

you on the other hand claim franks spoke french since they were in panonia. ridiculous

>hey guys, there was a minority population at the border region of the border province.
>just like today
>now we all slavs

yeah, no.

>you on the other hand claim franks spoke french since they were in panonia. ridiculous
Ah, now I understand why this thread is so full of stupid nonsense.

go back to your donkey corner and stay there.

>hurr durr hitler and the bavarians r slaves you r french if u digasree slawa kurwaaaa

There was probably some minor Slavic settlement in Bavaria as a whole but not too much to affect the ethnic picture of the region. The part of Bavaria that was populated by Slavic tribes to a bigger extent is the so-called "Bavaria Slavica". The approximate extent can be seen in this map. It's a historical fact but it did not last long.

what did he mean by this
ostsiedlung caused by frankish massacre of saxons really did a number on germany.

>migration era thread
>butthurt Frenchy shows up
>spreads nonsense theories to "prove" Frenchies where totally not Germed in the migration period and a 100% Panonnian whatever
And here we go again with another bullshit thread of the same idiot

The Frenchfag wouldn't give a shit whether Slavshits mixed into Germans or not or maybe he would actually like the idea since it again would affirm his supremacy over Germans.

>migration era thread
>inbred polish vodkanigger cuckold fetishist shows up to fight his autism war against his french friend and derails thread

Germanics rushed pretty much every part of the former West Roman empire,and at one point or another built there kingdoms there. Heck, the Vandals made it to northern Africa.

>inbred polish vodkanigger cuckold fetishist
you sure showed me. especially considering the fact that you're the guy posting some "negro on white women" images as well as using porn as argument.

you're truly inteligent, the peak of french IQ, 140 panonian glorious frankish warrior, not a single drop of bad blood, certainly not slavic or german blood.

i hope one day you realise how much of a laughing stock you truly are.

You keep trying to ruin the thread and take it further and further from actual discussion about Austrians and Celts.

No one gives a shit about you and the French homo. Just fuck off Veeky Forums and take him with you.

Ladin and Romansh language survived deep in the mountains, the rest vanished and was replaced by Germanic dialects, but many place and river names in the area are still traceable to their Celtic roots.

>Ladin and Romansh
To be fair, this languages where pidgin Latin languages of predominantly Celtic people, so that makes more for some Celtic Creole. Still nice they made it.

don't care about your safe space. when i see obvious bullshit i won't tolerate it.

So you just started randomly sperging out about the Frank when you didn't have any arguments and still keep doing it.

ah, so you're him. makes sense.

Firstly, you mongoloid again confused with someone else

Secondly i never claimed that the Franks spoke French in Pannonia they spoke tho as proved by Inscription found in Pannonia Superior

FRANCVS EGO CIVES ROMANVS MILES IN ARMIS
EGREGIA VIRTVTE TVLI BELLO MEA DEXTERA SEMER
edh-www.adw.uni-heidelberg.de/edh/inschrift/HD068602&lang=en

This Latin was named by SEMI-FRENCH LATIN by Linguists by the way

Great job you actually managed to summon him. Can't wait for this thread to further devolve into autism.

Just for the record, wouldn't you agree that a meaningful quantity of Slavic blood in Germans would affirm French superiority over Germans?

no, thats not him, just user that is pissed because his thread is blown to shit because of this asshole

>Belgcuck
Don't you have some Morrocan Bull to prep, Jan ?

>they spoke tho as proved by Inscription found in Pannonia Superior
they spoke Latin tho as proved by the inscription found in Pannonia Superior

fixed

>wouldn't you agree that a meaningful quantity of Slavic blood in Germans would affirm French superiority over Germans?

Eastern Germans do have Slavic blood, Bavarians and Central Germans are our rape babies tho, not yours

>Proto-Celtoids originate in Austria/Switzerland/Bavaria by 2500 BC as a fusion of Indo-European steppe people and local Neolithics
>Rhaetians from Italy settle western Austria in the early 1st millenium BC
>Romans and Germanics settle in 1st century BC
>Slavs arrive in the 7th century
>German settlement in the next centuries

Slavs didn't quite make it to Switzerland and also Germanic settlement began in the 4th century and lasted till the 6th century.

Also, Italic Celts did dwell in the mountains long before the Romans

Quadi

"Italic Celt" should fall in the Celtic, or Italo-Celtic category. I guess there might have been some dialect continuum between Italic and Celtic people there.

>guess there might have been some dialect continuum between Italic and Celtic people there.

Ligurian is seen as an Italo-Celtic dialect because it share both Italic and Celtic features

>Quadi
3th century and not really in the Alps. I'd recommend to take a look at Alamanni migration pattern, or maybe Burgundi or Lombards.

Italo Celts are Italo Celts, they are still hanging round in some remote part of the Alps.

>Pannonian, then Celtic, then Germanic, then Slavic, then Magyar, then Turkish, then Magyar again.

You're missing the Avar and Hunnish conquests, both Turkic groups.
While I disagree that the populations are indistinguishable from the ones 2 millennia ago, I do agree on the point that most people are practically blinded by local we-wuz narratives into giving language a much bigger influence on human genetics than it has any right to claim.

>3th century and not really in the Alps

I think he's talking about Austria North of the Danube, where Marcomanni and Quadi arrived in the 1st century

>Hey guys, we just changed from Indo-Germanic to an Ugric language, so no one else in Europe can understand us now
>Never mind, it is not that important, because history is about genetics and nothing else
Are you dumb?

>Indo-Germanic

cringe

>because history is about genetics and nothing else

For one, the remark about "Indo-Germanic" is fit for a high schooler. You should really consider reading the rules before posting.

Anyway, I didn't say genetics had fuck-all to do with human history. I said that the language (especially in the these eras) has almost no real influence on the genetics of the underlying groups of people. Not that either of them are the leading factor of the historical development.

>Indo-Germanic
WE WUZ UND SHEIT ?

>Indo-Germanic

>Indo-Germanic
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages
triggered much niggers?

germanics didn't exist prior to mixing of couple Indo-European groups. keep your kossinna bullshit out of this thread.

How does Indo-Germanics relate to Sumero-Germanics, and Egypto-Germanics ?

>no arrow to Poland

Dear brainlets, you are now aware that indo-Germanic en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Indo-Germanic is just an old therm used, and has nothing to do with genetics and other stuff. Thanks for being so triggered.
Now go explain why Ugric talking Europeans are no big deal.

>is just an old therm used,
exactly and it should not be used at all. indo-european homeland wasn't in schleswig but on the pontic steppe. indo-europeans weren't germanic.

>I'm so triggered by "germanic", the post
Now that you said your piece, can we talk about why genetical Europeans speak a Ugric language from behind the Ural? Or is that to complicated for you?

>can we talk about why genetical Europeans speak a Ugric language from behind the Ural? Or is that to complicated for you?
such as? hungarians? it was enforced by ugric elite.

check your tampon btw, it's leaking and you behave like a bitch.

Indo-Germanic describes the geographical range of the language family from South-East (Indo-Aryan language in Sri Lanka) to North-West (Germanic Icelandic).

Why are you so extremely buttblasted about the -Germanic suffix but not about the Indo- prefix?

What is there to talk about?

indo-germanic comes from pan-germanistic beliefs of 20th century, not range of the family itself.

Are you a Slav or just genuinely stupid?

elaborate, i'm not an oracle for retards.

India is the eastern-most area settled by Indo-Europeans, furthermore "India/Indian" isn't the name of a definite ethnic group unlike "German".

wrong

>This first appeared in French (indo-germanique) in 1810 in the work of Conrad Malte-Brun;

And Pan-Germanicism would make no sense in that context, you might argue that the term Indo-Germanic reflects notions about the hypothetical Urheimat of the language family in Northern Europe, but that's got nothing to do with a pan-movement. However, the term was and is also used by researchers who placed the Urheimat in other regions.

>especially considering the fact that you're the guy posting some "negro on white women" images
Except that's literally what you do. Pic related, you made it.

>However, the term was and is also used by researchers who placed the Urheimat in other regions.

In Germany and other German speaking countries.
Indo-European is the only valid nomenclature in English.

>"India/Indian" isn't the name of a definite ethnic group unlike "German".

1) It's Germanic (which is even less of a "definite ethnic group" than Indian) not German

2) Indo- obviously refers to the Indo-Aryan languages or are you arguing that it includes the Dravidian portions of India

Made by a Danish emigrant in France

>Born in Thisted to an administrator of Danish crown lands,

>Indo-European is the only valid nomenclature in English.

Yeah, from the many terms that were used this one was finally established in most languages. That doesn't mean that Indo-Germanic would have been per se more inadequate or wrong as was implied here

indo-germanic implies that indo-europeans were germanic. it correlates greatly with what german empire, united kingdom and nazi reich were pushing.

>muh teutonic race, irish apes
>muh aryan nordic race, muh noble germanic aryans
>muh germans ruling over everyone in evropa
indo-european is the correct term as germanics aren't the only indo-europeans in europe.