Does ukraine deserve to exist?

does ukraine deserve to exist?

Nein, ist Deutsche Lebensraum.

What Kraine?

They deserve it more than Russia. Seriously need to purge those (((oligarchs))) running their country, though.

Ukraine should annex Russia.

very much a bolshevik invention

Nope

Yes, but renamed as Kievan Rus'.

>Kievan Rus
>Get's MONGOL'd
>Ruthenian duke sells his lands to Poland, before the rest is conquered by Mongols
>Mongol lands are conwured by Lithuanians
>Fast forward to XVII century
>At this point Ukraine belongs to the Commonwealth, and Ruthenian nobility is fully polonised
>Ukraine is populated by Cossaks - crazy rednecks who descend from Polish/Russian runaway bandits
>Poland forms a "register" of Cossaks - a list of them who are taken to fight against Ottomans and get money from it
>Because Poland had lately peaceful relations with Ottomans, and because nobles didn't like king having powerful army, Cossack register must be reduced
>Cossacks are mad, because they won't get money
>In 1648 they rebel, led by Bohdan Kmielnitsky, who leads the rebellion, because he's mad he got cucked by a Polish noble
>Rebellion is succesfull at start, Cossacks even reach Zamosc
>After defeat at Berestechko in 1651, Cossacks sign a truce
>In 1654, Khmielnitsky gets a wonderful idea
>Let's ask tsar of Russia for help, what bad could happen
>Russians take part of Polish Ukraine, supressing Cossaks even more than Poles
>Fast forward to 1768
>Russian agents provoke another Cossack uprising in the dying Commonwealth, Koliyivshchyna
>Cossacks take the bait, go around slaughtering civilians (not the last time in history), eventually get btfo by Poles and Russians
>Fast forward to 1918
>At this point Ukrainians and Poles live under German and Austrian occupation
>Austrians support the birth of Ukrainian nationalism, wanting easy rule over equal numbers of Poles and Ukrainians
>But this is 1918, countries get their independence
>Poles and Ukrainians fight for Lviv, a city with Polish majority
>Ukrainian elite Sich riflemen get defeated by Polish underage students
>But then Bolsheviks arrive
>Ukrainians under Petlura side with Poles against communist threat
>After Polish-Bolshevik war tho, Ukraine loses independence

>Ukrainians in interwar Poland don't have it that bad, but they love to complain
>Meanwhile in Soviet Russia, Ukrainians can't complain
>Not because they're fine tho, their either dead from Holodomor, killed by Cheka/NKVD, or alive, but not allowed to talk
>1939 happens
>Polish Ukrainians, thinking how horrible was inability to learn Ukrainian at school, welcome Soviets as liberators
>1941 happens
>After learning that Soviets are not so great authorities, Polish Ukrainians welcome Nazi Germans as liberators
>At first Germans don't give a shit what Ukrainians think, but soon, they find in them a good material for cannon fodder
>They support Ukrainian partisans against hostile Poles
>In 1943 Ukrainian organisations OUN and UPA organise the ethnic cleansing of Vohlynia region
>Ukrainians rape, drown, burn alive, quarter, behead tens of thousands Polish women and children
>Polish resistance answers
>There is an all-out war between Polish and Ukrainian partisans
>Eternal kraut laughs in the distance
>But then the Soviets arrived
>They destroy everyone - Nazi Germans, Polish partisans and Ukrainian partisans
>After Yalta negotians, all of Polish Vohlynia gets in Soviet hands
>Soviets don't want to deal with Ukrainian genocidal autism, so together with communist Poles, they deport thousands Ukrainans to western Polish lands, former German, and Polonise them during so called "Action Vistula"
>Ukrainians love to cry about it to this day
>1991 happens
>Gorbachev loves Ukrainians so much grants them independence and gives them a present in form of Crimea peninsula
>Not telling more because of 25 year rule

Be Cuckraine.
>No history.
>No culture.
>Nationality didn't exist until Austrians literally invented it to combat Poles occupying all government positions in Galicia.
>Their ancestors are: Khazar jews, tatar rape babies, runaway peasants and bandits from Russia and PLC.
>Every single time they chimped out against Poland they employed thousands of filthy desert mood pedo god worshipping tatars. In return for military help they let their own people be taken into slavery as payment.
>No national heroes outside of a balding cuck who got betrayed by everyone and ended up achieving nothing.
>Even fucking SS was stunned at the brutality of hohols.
>Hated universally by every single one of their neighbouring countries.
>No natural friends and allies in Europe.
>Most fertile lands in the whole of Europe,
still need to import food.
>Biggest coal deposits in Europe, still need to import it.
>Biggest export are prostitutes.
>Economy is Africa tier, even fucking Albania is doing better.
>Nobody gives a shit about Crimea anymore.
>Their god damn army cannot deal with bunch of chimping out Russians.
>Jews are about 0,2% of citizens of ukraine, occupy nearly 60% of government positions.
>Turned literally into an IMF vassal state. They do everything these scheming kikes tell them to.
>Most hated diaspora in Canada. And it tells you something if fucking leafs hate them more than chinks or shitskins.
>Worst HIV and AIDS epidemic in the whole of Europe.
>Seconds to worst GDP per capita in Europe, the only one doing less good is Moldova.
>Owe Gasprom billions of dollars for unpaid oil and gas.

t. Boris

>when hohols and moskals accuse each other of being Mongols

More like Grzegorz still butthurt about the pest control in Volhynia

Oh the Ukie grandeur delusion. You scrub polack toilets. Literally scrubbing toilets of the toilet cleaners. xaxaxaxa

>*gets impaled*

ukrainians accomplished literally nothing in history, they are only good in killing civilians and begging for money

Poles and Russians always claim Ukrainians are not Slavs. I've never seen any actual proof from them.

>Russians always claim Ukrainians are not Slavs
no they don't. they claim (and rightfully so) that Ukrainians are just Russians that are self hating, delusional and have a meme identity

I've seen many Russian nationalists here, /int/ and on The Apricity claim that Ukrainians are "People of Color" who hate Russians because they are white.

Russians often call Ukrainians Turks

>>Economy is Africa tier, even fucking Albania is doing better.
Seriously, how did this happen? There are countries who don't have half of Ukraine's resources and have went through fucking wars who are doing better than they are.

Ukraine is going through a war right now though.

Ukraine is always going through fucking war. They're mindless savages that love to kill each other and others.

>killing is bad
Found the numale

>going to /int/ and Apricity
That explains a lot. Fuck off faggot.

>Ukraine became independent 1917
>The Ukrainian soviet socialist republic (bolshevik) was founded in 1919
>the bolsheviks "invented" it after it had already existed for 2 years
What did he mean with this?

>and rightfully so
haha no

Deserve has nothing to do with it

fpbp

I don't go there anymore. That fucking site hijacked my browser and made me go to Russian pornsites.

Don't forget to colonise it with Arabs and Negroes as your tradition dictates, stupid krautshit.

>Slavic bickering on the internet
It's like the buzzing of flies around a turd.

>Australia
>country

Danzig ist Polnisch, mein smelly kraut untermensch friend

>around a turd.
Why can't germanics ever stop talking about literal fucking scat?

My apologies, it's just the first thing that comes to mind when I think of Slavs.

No, it's the first thing that comes to your mind period.

No.

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where is the lie tho

that pic is so fucking retarded

Their economy was shit before the war.

Unironically the Jews. Kuchma and his Jew oligarch buddies plundered the country and embezzled billions to store in offshore accounts, and Yushchenko with Yanukovich were no better. All this pro-Russia vs pro-West narrative is a charade and a false dichotomy, it all boils down to the Jews.