Can someone help me understand how pederasty and homosexuality truely was viewed in greece/rome

How the fuck could you even get stand to have sex with someone if it's going to degrade them that much?

If the person is your bro why would you want to do something that puts them in such a lowly state?

It was acceptable for a boy to be submissive to a man, it stops being acceptable when he stops being a boy. If he continues to be submissive then something's gone wrong.
Consider also that there are different levels of homosexual sex. Rubbing your dick between a boy's thighs or rubbing your dick against his dick is very different from sticking your dick into his ass.

Makes sense. There's an agreement that if you do this submissive act when you are young, than in return someone else will submit to you when you are older.

Seems like a proper relationship for teachers and pupils, reinforces what the positions are. The one who learns 'receives' and the one who teaches 'gives'.

I feel like this is a style of relationship that basically still exists in modern male homosexual culture...

That's why "the other end" was meant to be a slave or a young boy and not an adult citizen.

This is intercrural sex, not buttfucking.

For whatever reason Romans hated oral sex

Oral sex is honestly disgusting, whether it's eating pussy or sucking cock.

ENHANCE. Judging by the apparent angle of penetration, this is in fact anal intercourse.
t. virgin

>marriage is for men and women only
>fucking cuteboys is not gay

how it was and how it should be

>fucking cuteboys is not gay
no, they just didn't give a fuck enough about it being "gay" to even have a word for gay

I'm not a virgin, I'm married. Licking pussy makes me want to vomit and sucking dick probably isn't any better (never tried and never will).

Began the greek dark ages. Which was after aristotle

>married
>doesn't go down on his wife
she's cheating on you. without question. it's a shame that women sometimes end up with beta losers like you.

yeah probably

but as far as im aware homo love was non-existant in literature so it was probably looked down upon, the only 'gay' acts were purely sexual between men and feminine boys

>you're beta if you don't assume a bitch role and lick somebody's genitals
In many traditional cultures they treat pussy eaters the same way they treat faggots - as effete bitches.

>homo love was non-existant
>the only 'gay' acts were purely sexual
What "love" is there besides sex? Either a paternal/maternal love, or friendship. Men are capable of being friends with one another.

romantic love

like when the wife of odysseus kept tricking all the suitors into waiting for 10 years until odysseus came back to slaughter all of them and be together again

That's just some bullshit story she fed Odysseus to convince him he's not a cuck, she was probably taking kilometers of cock while he was gone.

>kilometers of cock
this is the best insult ever

the ancient greeks believed that a man could not truly love a woman because a woman was so intellectually inferior. they believed a man could only lust for a woman. the only true love existed between a man and a boy. the reason achilles was so mad about patroclus being killed is patroclus was his lover.

read plato's symposium and you will know the answer to your question. here is some copypasta

Socrates was not only ripped, he was FUCKING ripped. Pretty much every Greek philosopher, poet, tragedian, and so on would have been, because they were all adult male citizens, and either had to fight in the army or (later) row in the fleet. Or both.

People underestimate the level of physical exertion these things required. These guys worked out EVERY day. They worked out so much that they actually liked working out. They lived to work out. Their entire leisure time was composed of working out and getting gay over how hot their bods were in the balmy Mediterranean sun. The first ten fucking pages in Plato's FIRST dialogue have Socrates lusting over a teenager's sweaty, manly pecs through his toga. Socrates likens himself to a lion that is about to gobble up its prey. He can barely control himself. That is how the Western philosophical tradition starts: homoerotic lust for ripped abs. When Alcibiades, the manliest man in history, bursts into the famous drinking party, at which the guests are discussing the urbane topic of Love, it is to ask Socrates why he never fucked him in the ass when they cuddled. You know how the dialogue ends? Socrates goes to the gym and works out.

Modern recreations and reconstructions have not even succeeded in duplicating the physical feats reported of the Athenian soldiery - that is, the Athenian citizenry. Often, modern historians doubt that these feats are even being accurately reported, for instance the straight dash of the Athenian army across the entire field at Marathon. This is because modern athletes and bodybuilders can't even do these things, even with relatively light gear compared to what the Athenians actually carried. It took a team of Olympic master rowers to even APPROXIMATE the sailing techniques of the Athenian fleet, outside of combat conditions, on a placid sea. The entire Athenian fleet was regularly capable of these maneuvers, season after season, year after year, campaign after campaign. The sole engine of these maneuvers was muscle. Raw, sweaty, heaving Athenian muscle. Athenian men were the envy of the Aegean.

It is understandable that modern historians, coming from a society of flabby, skinnyfat wimps, are unable to comprehend the sheer manliness of Athens. Socrates saved Alciabiades in a hoplite battle in the Peloponnesian War. Aeschylus, the tragic poet, fought at Marathon. And all of them worked out and fucked ass, at every moment they weren't literally inventing Western civilisation.

>caring what other cultures think
cuck

Boyfuckery had a purpose in Greek society. You weren't considered a man until you grew a beard, which meant that the boy's honor wouldn't be violated when he took the submissive role until puberty took greater hold.

Greek city states were extremely militaristic and made pretty intense demands on their male populations, which required that boys be trained and drilled (ha) on a regular basis. Apparently fucking them was seen as a good idea to throw in the mix. Strong male bonds were required to maintain military cohesion.

In Rome, as I understand it, there was less of a societal role afforded to pederasty and it was done solely for release. But Rome was a hypermasculine society and you couldn't take the receptive role, and you had to fuck slaves.

Because not everyone aspired to become a political leader. In fact the whole roman social system was built upon the client system, meaning that most people got their value from being somehow attached to a powerful person, be it as a paid voter for him come elections or as someone who's business was supported by a rich benefactor. Being the favorite lover of a successful person could often mean an extremely cushy lifestyle. If we believe the sources then then the imperial palaces were often crowded with transvestites, pretty boys and prostitutes. Hell, Hadrianus literally deified his male lover.

Because according to roman norms the most precious thing a person had was his word and rhetoric abilities were extremely important for anyone who wanted a public life. Performing oral sex was seen as defiling those characteristics. If a politician was caught sucking a dick or eating pussy his career would be over.

>literally sexually pleasuring some cunt by licking her pisshole, pube-covered meatflaps and a swollen red wart looking thing while you're getting nothing out of it
>has the nerve to call somebody a cuck

>Ancient Rome
>All wipipo
/pol/ please leave

>km of cock
They didn't have metric yet

>wipipo
What does this mean

look at the chest. i'm pretty sure that's a woman.

Boyfucking was seen as a Greek Degeneracy in Rome but Romans did practice anal rape as a form of humiliation.
The average Greekman(see : Xenophon) despised boyfucking and only the elite like it.

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They were cool with it so long as you weren't the bottom.

caesar was accused of being the bitch of the old king of bithynia when he was there at the start of his career

>Gallias Caesar subegit, Caesarem Nicomedes, (Caesar laid the Gauls low, Nicomedes laid Caesar low),

please stop thinking rome and greece is interchangeable

greeks were fags, romans hated fags

I would assume it means 'white people', seeing as /pol/ is under the delusion that the ancient mediterranean had no browns

His soldiers sang about it during his triumph, it was basically the only time Roman soldiers could freely talk shit about their commanders, and Caesars' dudes made sure everyone heard about the time the boss took it up the ass from a foreign king.