ITT: phrases that make you cringe

The difference between Thomas Jefferson and the Confederates was that Jefferson actually had accomplishments that made the nation/world a better place in contrast to his sins. Lee and Davis on the other hand never did anything of historical or moral note in their lives other than support treason and the barbaric degeneracy of slavery at a time when people knew better.

it is often repeated by fringe groups spewing bs for the sake of being >anti-establishment

not that it isn't true in some cases

It is not wrong, but extremely cringeworthy when overused in argument.
Instead of pointing out the possible bias of sources, the user of this quote usually uses it as an excuse to call any source clashing his view completely fake. It is extremly common with "noble savage" memers, dixies and stormfags (which is funny because this is a Churchill's quote)

Cause history Is written by the people writing it. See /pol for example trying to write a different history of the 3rd reich. And in the long run what we know of History depents on luck for surving sources. Maybe it may be more likely for your sources surving/making it into tradition but it can also be that just a Tradition of the looser survives. Look at the jewish war our view is heavily influenced by Josephus(ok to a degree is a winner since he sided with vespasian and survived) who was a jewish General in that war and lost

>other than support treason
Fun fact. The Union didn't sue for treason after the war since they feared that secession would be deemed legal.

People who think like this usually seem to think that history started in 1950.

Yup. Justinian and Theodora "won", but their political opponents wrote history, so in the end we have histories of Justinian being a demon and Theodora being a huge slut.

Lee was a distinguished commander during the America-Mexico war. I'm not sure what Davis did other than trying to prepare the invasion of Cuba and getting arrested and deported by the Spanish.

>Lee was a distinguished commander during the America-Mexico war
A war that even people at the time said was an unjust war used as an excuse to expand slavery and the power of the Plantation Aristocracy over the national government.

Moral disagreements have little- if nothing at all- to do with merit in execution, but keep playing the idiot.

>Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Inevitably uttered by someone taking the wrong lessons from history.

> the nazis were the most barbaric group ever

>the Nazi's were the only ones in history to commit genocide
How did this meme begin?

Strong propaganda and the general public's disinterest in learning by themselves beyond the hot topics that school books and big media deliver. The world is simple and clear.

i hope that apostrophe was mocking people who think that

When anyone brings up the movie braveheart in a discussion of history.

>anyone who cares about politics
>anyone who cares about politics and tries to speak about history
>any historical discussion where nationalists are involved
Come to think about it, i don't really like discussing history ever.

They certainly weren't the first or only genocide perpetrators, but the Holocaust was pretty unique in several ways.

>power of the Plantation Aristocracy over the national government.
>North has more than twice the population of the south
>South gets slaves to count as 3/5 of a person and still half the representatives
>Literally every single state south of maryland votes against Lincoln and he still wins in a landslide.
How retarded do you have to be to think the south had power? Even if every state added to the union was a slave state they still couldn't come close.

Not denying that, I'm just saying some people really believe there was never another attempt to wipe out a people/culture.

Nationalist are not the problem, the problem is when they asume people grouped in "nations" since the beginning of time

the mere fact that stormfags exists disproves it

Rubbish, if anything the holocaust was one of the more humane genocides in history, the only thing unique about it Is how well organised it was with the canoes, apart from that nothing.

>study of history helps us learn from our mistakes

What exactly was humane about the Holocaust?

>leftdumb revisionists actually believe this
Maybe Mexico shouldn't have attacked a far stronger country, then? They got less than what they deserved.

Jefferson Davis became known precisely due to his service the Mexican American War...he was a soldier first. He was surprised when they elected him.

As opposed to Northern calls for war against Britain for the Northwest Territory?

Mexico attacked a band of armed invaders on Mexican land who refused to leave and were trying to bring in slavery (which was illegal in Mexico). I bet if Canada invaded tomorrow and wanted to force Americans to kiss Elizabeth's shriveled ass you'd suddenly have a different opinion.

Wars that never happened and were solved peacefully and diplomatically.

Except if they did that we'd probably win and annex Canada, which was rightful American clay anyways

> (((progressive))) society
i.e. "we take one isolated fact, rip it out of the context and squint really hard then it looks like just like San Francisco, CA."

> regime
"these guys are bad mkay""

>Area with more population somehow never controls the legislature and Speakers of the House (Which before Lincoln was perhaps the nations most powerful position) are always Southern Aristocrats
>South getting to count non-citizens for population is somehow not them cheating.
> Ignores the Senate which at the time was finely tuned to make sure Slave States never had less than half the votes.
Even people at the time talked about "Slave Power" and how over-represented and powerful the Southern Plantation owners were.

The entire conversation was about moral judgments on history. Lee's abilities as a military commander have nothing to do with whether he should be lauded outside of that specific context. I was specifically pointing out he did nothing for the world outside that context (unlike T. Jefferson) and thus is not deserving of the forgiving eye pop-history gives him.

>caring this much about muh historical record
fuck off faggot, we false dichotomy now

Are you denying there has been any historical progress?

Anyone who believes in the "dark ages" myth

Man you are stuck in your teleological world why. Progress towards what? The only goal in History is it's end: when humans stop accounting, discussing and thinking about what their ancestors have done/ when no humans are left.

>history is written by the victors, therefore the guy who lost was right
fixed

>fascism is when people get beat up because of politics
>socialism is when the government does things
>capitalism is being able to buy stuff
America was a big mistake

Because no one gives a shit about Armenia or the Herero

Cringe

Free train rides, people were allowed to dig their own graves, community driven experience, everyone got free clothes and a diet wich they couldn`t break like most people do,"Arbeit macht frei" was not there to lie to you once you overworked yourself and can`t go on you will never have to worry about anything ever again

wtf I love the Holocaust now

Nope no free train rides, the Reichsbahn charged them for the trip

D E V I L I S H

And people say Germans don't have a sense of humor

>why were X so superior to Y?
>why has Africa/Abos/Amazonians stagnated culturally?
>did X contributed to humanity in any way?

/pol/ tier ethnocentrism everywhere on Veeky Forums
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

honestly its not so bad on Veeky Forums cause they either end up arguing over muh haplos or start censoring race names which is funny

>IQ and muh Bell curve