This chart is true?

He fought for his state, that's good.

Replace Lenin and Stalin.

Nah, he fought for the people he knew. Lee was opposed to both secession and the reasons why the south was seceding. He firmly believed that the country needed to heal after the war, which is why he was opposed to anyone building a statue of him.

Loyalty is doing things you don't agree with if the people you swear by command it. Loyal men are good men.

Yeah all those high ranking Nazis who were loyally following Hitler, who they swore by, were all good men.

Really made me think

Loyalty is not virtue. Lee LITERALLY thought he was fighting for the wrong side, but did so anyway. Lee himself thought he was the moral villain.

This. There are no heroes in irl politics.

I hate this fucking chart because it implies good motivations=good villains, whereas that absolutely isn't the case

What are you, a child? Then you should have put George Washington at the very bottom of the list as well.

Besides, Karl Dönitz would have been a much better fit at the "in the situation that they find themselves in" department.

Unrestricted submarine warfare and all.
(And I know he wasn't tried with it in the end since the Allies did the same as well.)

Vlad is definitely high tier or elder god tier

...

What do you think makes a good villain then? Are good motivations at least one small part of it?

don't know, never read the uni bomber's manifesto... well... the chart is stupid, written by some edgy shitlord teenager who only finds agreement in this toilet of humanity that we call Veeky Forums. no, it's not true... if the unibomber put nails in bombs to blow up in some random poor postal workers face then he was just a faggot.

Tbh Vlad should in High tier but other than that it is pretty ok.

>citation needed

He literally took the country back from marxist niggers and transformed the economy almost overnight. Also keep in mind that communists are not "political dissidents" because they are not human. Killing thousands of communists is like stepping on an anthill

Nope
Napoleon wasn't a vilain, and his conquests were just retailiation for declaration of wars by the countries he conquered

how much inspiration was spent making the villian

>wans't a villian
>breaks his contracts to murder nobles without trial, cannibalize peasants, and be a literal tyrant

> because they are not human
>Killing thousands of communists is like stepping on an anthill
Careful to not cut yourself on that edge user.

Also
>He literally took the country back from marxist niggers and transformed the economy almost overnight.
newrepublic.com/article/116799/egypt-does-not-need-pinochet
>The “economic miracle” Milton Friedman ascribed to Pinochet is one of the great false narratives of modern economic history. The miracle he oversaw was really just a series of boom-bust cycles: two periods of rapid growth bookended by two deep recessions: the first precipitated by a “shock treatment” of monetary contraction, privatization and deregulation authored by his University of Chicago-trained cabinet ministers in 1975; the second, a catastrophic debt crisis in 1982. In the immediate aftermath of the free market reforms in the mid 70s, Chile had the second lowest growth rate in Latin America: Bankruptcies were rampant, national output fell 15%, unemployment surpassed 20%, and salaries fell 35% below 1970 levels1. Not to mention the corruption, from the fire sale of state properties to politically connected investors, to Pinochet’s personal embezzlement of millions later found in secret bank accounts in Washington, Miami and elsewhere.
>Average per capita GDP growth over the entire course of the dictatorship was less than 2%, significantly lower than the four Christian Democrat and Socialist governments that succeeded him. The poverty rate, hovering at 40% by the time Pinochet left office, was cut in half within a decade with an upsurge in social welfare spending, and stands at 14% today. The numbers are clear: the true Chilean economic miracle occurred after Pinochet, under democratic, leftist governments.
:^)

>never heard of new republic
>go to the website
>see first 2 headlines
>"Hollywood's inequality caused harvey weinstein"
>"Why we're all living in hobby lobby's bible nation"

If you want to be a marxist faggot at least be honest about it. Please don't cite them as "evidence" or nobody will take you seriously

Perhaps you should try refuting the argument instead of simply dismissing it based on the site having different opinion than your own.

Vlad being a villain, heh. Ask any romanian and he'll tell you the opposite. In that part of the world, removing kebab ensures you a place in the golden book of heroes
>cannibalize peasants
what the fuck...what's that you're smoking mayne?

japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2013/09/16/commentary/world-commentary/dont-credit-chiles-economic-rise-to-pinochet/#.WeCpbVu0Opo

The return of democracy in 1990 started to remedy the social costs of the Pinochet era. In the next two decades, Chile grew at more than 5 percent per year, almost doubling its growth rates of the three previous decades. Meanwhile, Chile’s poverty rate plummeted from 40.8 percent in 1990 to 9.9 percent in 2011

he ran out of food in russia so he ate russians

His motives were pretty clear. He definitely was a sadist, but he's still seen as a hero in Romania

>Inb4 this isn't evidence because the site said bad things about muh guns
japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2017/10/08/commentary/world-commentary/japan-much-teach-america-guns/#.WeCtlWjWyUk

> Stalin
> evil

...

Mao, while possibly being one of the worst statemen in the history of mankind, had very good intentions at first. His early years are quite interesting.

Oh shit I hust realized there was no Pinochet in that chart. Now I just feel like a real dunce.

Did
did you even read the picture

>le Lenin was good and dindu nuffin but Stalin is an evil mad man meme
fuck off you revisionist shits

>psychopathic mass murderer
>not evil

Pick one and only one.

>Hitler in high tier
The man was a asperg that blamed his misgivings on everyone but himself

>Calling Robert E. Lee a villain
He was a general in the confederate army. That doesn't make him bad. I mean the South wasn't ever going to rise but goddamn was that man a tactician

>asperg
>charismatic
>able to use the emotions of an entire country
He was certainly mad but not asperg

>Implying Hitler, Lee, Vlad, and Napoleon are villains.

Stalin was better at being a villain than any of them.

Only if you're the kind of idiot that has arduously misinterpreted postmodern thought and relativism to mean, "All kinds of morality have merit."

There are no tiers to villainy, and no sort of villainy is worthy of respect or admiration.

>Hirohito higher than Hitler
No

I switched some thing around and added my own.

All of that shit has been debunked in the active Pinochet thread. Now fuck off you retarded commie.

Stalin should be either on the mid-tier or great-tier.

Also
>Hitler
>Misdeeds.

Archive link? I would like to see it for myself because there is actual debunking and then there is "Nevermind all the forensic evidence and pictures, there was a pool in Auswitz proving it was a luxury resort"-tier debunking.

Actual debunking.
Veeky Forums.org/his/pinochet
The thread is active right now

If that pope is a Borgia 10/10 chart

The only Pope on there is Pope Dioscorus of Alexandria. The guy at the bottom is Enrico Dandolo.

>new republic

>Dismissing the argument based on its source rather than the argument itself.

Does anyone have the original of this chart but with fictional characters? I remember Ozymandias and the Joker were in the graph.

>Lenin
>villain
lol

If he had been given a vision of the future, he would've realized he made the right choice all along.

Vlad was just trying to protect his country. He knew that being insane and being a sadist to prisoners kept out invaders.

Nevermind, I found it.

>Mfw this thread is full of faggots reeing about their historical senpais being called "villains" instead of judging the chart on its own merits

and I'm not even OP

>nappy
>villain

If I was American, Id have that up as a poster

>napoleon
>less interesting than hitler

youtube.com/watch?v=YGI_g9NFzDY

Ozymandias was the good guy. Anyone who says that he was a villain - even a justified one - has no idea what he's talking about.

>Lee
>reluctant villain
is it really that hard to not betray your country to fight for a slaver rebellion? he deserved the rope.

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Napoleon shouldn't be there at all, fuck off anglo shills
Vlad should be on the High tier at least as far as motive is concerned.

On second thought, mid tier would be better for Vlad.

His methods were harsh but everything he did was simply to secure his rule and hold off the Ottoman empire.

>Napoleon
>villain

0/10

>Hitlers motives are a mystery
how brainlet are you?

>betray your country
His country was the state of Virginia dumbdumb. He didn't betray anyone.

>it's okay to lead a bloody civil war against the legal government and keep millions of people enslaved because you really like your sports team or some shit
whatever excuse revisionists want to use.

Stalin was a saint.

t. Pierre LeFrog

>Robert E. Lee
>Politically involved in any way, shape, or form
When will this meme stop

napoleon wasn't evil
he was a divine instrument
then again i'm not european

Fuck off A*glo.

>looking for the "good" and the "bad" guys in a book whose whole point is deconstruction of such thinking
American media destroys brains

>hitler gives 5000 speeches detailing what he wants for germany
>this guy is literally insane just what does he want!?

>>able to use the emotions of an entire country
Because Germans are fucking autistic.

Napoleon saved france from the terror of the revolution as well as the aggression of the continental powers. He is a literal hero.

Ozamdes is Ramses II Who actually existed

Vlad was held captive by the Turks and was likely dressed up like a girl and pounded daily. He wanted to protect his people from the same fate while getting revenge on the Turks for ruining his childhood. He's at least a high tier villain.

He's referring to Ozymandias the character from the Watchmen, who took his name from Ramses II.

Ozymandias was a self aggrandizing maniac. The only reason he even had to wipe out new york in the first place is because his retarded plan escalated the cold war by spooking away Dr Manhattan.

Flip hitler with napoleon and kick caesar higher then yer good.

Your source is shit, there is no reason to take it seriously. These are the same people who think a capitalist conspiracy is making Venezuela shit

Switch Napoleon with Lenin and it's perfect

Who is the Roman guy?

Stalin is great tier. Still a villain though

Except that the website isn't the source itself. Look at the bottom of the article and you will find it's source.

Is that Alexander III or Nicky 2 up top?

The point is that the cold war was already escalated and made worse by Dr. Manhattan's presence. Because of that Ozymandias needed to do two things. Remove Dr. Manhattan and unite both the US and the Soviet Union against a common foe, hence the alien invasion.

its a kek from me user

Vlad should be higher rank. He goodman except to his enemies.

Read his essay before saying stupid shit