Why is Veeky Forums against fascism? not a bait thread, genuinly curious. also this os not a thread about shitler

fascism is about evolving and building on the achievements of your ancestors and creating a new future and destiny. not about sitting back

lel whatever you want to think, pathetic cuck

Fascism was actually pretty great, it was just ruined by the eternal G*rman

>be afraid of big scawy guns and uniforms
>call someone effeminate

Autarky doesn't work, corporatism fucks with the people, national rebirth fucks with the actual culture, unity for everone but the ones that arn't involved

Struggle isn't a good thing

Individualism is a good thing

Fascism is materialist af, the entire movement is just "woah look at that so epic!"

>I don't like collectivism

More like, he invaded everyone because he wrongly believed that Germany would have no geopolitical future unless it threw its cards into the middle of the table in one decisive gamble to seize lebensraum.
The thing is, he didn't understand that technological progress driving economic changes, plus the development of nuclear weapons, were several years away from making his old geopolitical conceptions irrelevant. Germany would end up having more prosperity and political power as the massive dominant economic power in postwar Europe than it ever did during the 2nd or 3rd Reichs.
He also was a shit statesman in that he didn't realize that Poland actually was a step too far, even after the British delivered their ultimatum to him on the day of the invasion.
So it's not so much that he was just a dick. He was a dick and also a moron.

because it's just what liberals do when they get scratched, and I'm not a liberal.

>no freedom
>forced to worship some weedy faggot
>get liquidated for saying bad things against said faggot
>totally spooked worldview and philosophy
>extremely rigid and unjust socioeconomic hierarchy
>only appeals to beta cucks who can't take responsibility for their own lives and brainlets who need to explain away complex issues by attributing their woes to (((the other)))
>get conscripted and killed in meaningless war

the British colluded with Poland to get Germany into war, which is why they were fucking with Germany so hard about the lands that were stolen in the Versaille treaty. They wanted war with Germany, promised Poland to help them out if they kicked the hornets nest, and then of course the Brits nor the Poles could actually handle the Germans.

okay adolf

>Autarky doesn't work
it can
>corporatism fucks with the people
how so? it allows them to represent the the interest of the corporation they belong to, to an individual level
>national rebirth fucks with the actual culture
It creates a new culture instead of relying on the past. the nation awekening to a new purpose claiming their own destiny
>unity for everone but the ones that arn't involved
total involvment and selflessness is required
>Struggle isn't a good thing
struggle is what defines your life and your impact on history. without it life is just a sequence of useless distractions
>Individualism is a good thing
its the greatest cancer on this earth
>Fascism is materialist af
its a spiritual conception of life

Literallly the only reason people seem to like it is because it lets them feel masculine by proxy.

>the British colluded with Poland to get Germany into war
The British bent over backwards to avoid war.
>lands that were stolen in the Versaille treaty.
Kek. "stolen". What about the lands stolen from France in 1871?
>They wanted war with Germany
Is that why they let Germany cuck them over and over until Germany went too far in 1939?

Because corporatism is retarded and never works.

You're comparing some deluded utopian idea of what collectivism is like to the reality of individualism.
Real collectivism, as we've seen in commie and fascist nations, entails working shit jobs for low quality of life while elites live it up in luxury, and if you step out of line you get shot.
That's reality.

ABOLISH TOXIC MASCULINITY

by proxy means feels guy isnt actually masculine but his inner gay is satisfied by buff guys marching on streets with a serious face

>Nazi Germany
>corporatist

Literally nothing wrong with it.

>feel
fascism is the ideoly of action
>utopian
fascism is based on myths. and it's collectivist to a certaik extent. private property is still a thing

It's really not.
See all the internet Fascists today

>inner gay
Fuck off freud

>Corpratism as a theory is simply the government delegating an activity to a private group

Stopped reading there

>brutal suppression of political dissent.
People defied the NSDAPs all the time, with little repercussion. Eg Junger, Spengler. It was less repressive than Stalinist Russia, and, IMO, than the modern liberal West (apart from conscription during the war, although we have that, both directly and indirectly through economic pressure).

>it is a lie, and opposes God
Why, you American Christianity nigger? Hitler was more devout and fanatical than any pseudo-religious idiot that exists today.
>waaaaah nationalism/militarism
Zionist/commie scum confirmed.
>muh individualism
There are limits to individualism.
>everything that disagrees with me is ebil collectivism
Daily reminder the father of actual horror themes, AKA Lovecraft, was more in favor of fascism than all of its alternatives.
Non-white scum detected.
This.
As a somewhat related side-note; Napoleon was right, history is lies agreed upon by the victors.

>hitler was devout
>Suppresses every church to propagate a meme religion about Jesus being like Arnold in Commando and BTFO of merchants in the temple every day
lol

Yes, Hitler was a devout Roman Catholic /Christian throughout his entire life. Would you care to elaborate otherwise, other than your shitty meme?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirchenkampf
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessing_Church
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_persecution_of_the_Catholic_Church_in_Germany
What a great Catholic

because just like communism, every attempt at a facist government leads to:

>unjustified or barely justifiable persecution of other political or religious entities
>uncooperative citizens are usually as good as dead
>gives complete power to one person
>usually is established when the state is at a low-point therefore is more of a placebo effect than an actual functioning government.
>tends not to have a dedicated economic layout

>wikipedia articles as a reply
>what was positive christianity
>believing Bullock/Kershaw/Shirer
>therefore National Socialist Germany, with its 99% Christian population and fighters was anti-christian
What a piece of shit response. Are you a commie or non-white retard?
>muh holy hoax = catholic persecution
Do you suck Soviet cock?

>no
Nice argument

>what was positive christianity
Heresy

Did you really just call an anti-nationalist a zionist when Zionists are really just nationalists themselves?

>le heresey xDDDD
>>>reddit
>>>American cucked zionist christianity
>>>North American nigger good goyim bollocks
No enemy non-believer accepts your bullshit, they're more inclined to see otherwise.

>Why, you American Christianity nigger? Hitler was more devout and fanatical than any pseudo-religious idiot that exists today.
"Thou shalt not kill"

>They're more inclined to support a state that sent their ministers to Dachau
Not everyone is a cuck like you who gets off to their religion getting fucked

>omg why call anti-nationalists zionists???!!!!111
>zionists are internationalists until they get their favored jewish state back
>internationalism at least indirectly supported communism
Why is this an issue for you to understand? Jews supported any movement until they get what they wanted.

I know this is bait, but damn if it isn't downright insulting to some of the greatest men in history who worked towards a world without war.

Hahahahaha, you're a fucking idiot, non-religious are the ones getting off and know full well your argument is in fairy-la-la land, and it supports zionism
Complete delusion faggot detected.
>Euro Christians fought for this

I don't know, you seem to be having a good jerk off about your gay little LARP club known as "positive Christianity", do you also think "Jewish physics" is a real thing and inferior?

>you must be larping
>HURR DURR JERK OFF BLAH BLAH BLAH
>muh jewish physics
Daily reminder the Germans opposed what you're talking about, you fucking uneducated imbecile.
Keep singing to your own death, the non-christian world supports you more than me.

I'd imagine that's because they have the sense to not think a regime loaded with anti-Christians and somehow construe that as evidence of it's pro-Christianity

>supporting muslims = anti-christian
Only a bolshevik or a kike thinks this way, or a retarded American Christian purist who thinks supporting one group over atheistic judeo-bolsheviks is anti-christian.
So, Americans accepting muslims to fight on their behalf means they are non-Christian?
Good to know, thanks faggot.

Because absolute collectivism is just as retarded as absolute individualism.

>Forming entire divisions based around religion
>Advocating the benefits of a Muslim victory at Tours
Yeah, Hitler sure did love him some Muslims, not so different from the lefties you supposedly hate

>implying natsocs were absolute collectivists
lulz
Enjoy your non-white or pro-commie future.

>giving the muslims a few divisions
>means you're the same as lefties
Fuck you, enjoy your marxist/non-christian future.

You honestly think Nazi germany was less repressive than the modern liberal West? Oh boy

>absolute collectivism
it isnt though. the direction of production is given to those that, privatly, own the means of production
>natsoc
fuck off faggot and go back to reading your thulean fairytales

Fortunately we don't have to because Germany lost the war and couldn't institute it's LARP-tier religion

>y-you must read thulean fantasies
lel
>anyone who disagrees with me is a collectivist
Good luck against the academic marxists, faggot. I'm sure appealing to big brother will save you in the long run.

>this much delusion
Yes, you do, and its not the Germans fault either. The non-Christians will be vehemently against your shit irrespective of an Axist victory or not, retard.

Good post.

>y-you must read thulean fantasies
you must believe in them, its what the whole "aryan masterrace" is built on. WE WUZ ATLANTEANS N SHEIT NIQUA. you and your traitor idol will burn in hell
>anyone who disagrees with me is a collectivist
missquote?
>Good luck against the academic marxists
at least the posses some inteligence

>muh atlantis
Red herring.
>disagree you're a traitor
Funny how that doesn't apply to commies, tells me a lot about who you are, kike.
>missquote?
Not at all, its your entire position, the whole time, nigger.
>marxists possess intelligence
Non-white/anti-white detected.

Germany was the most anti-Christian country in WW2, even the Soviets had the official support of the Orthodox Church

>even the Soviets had the official support of the Orthodox Church
Only when Stalin considered it convenient. Nice try.

He slaughtered Russian Christians for most of his rule.

Their ideology was pretty collectivist. They believed that the individual is nothing, the race is everything. The individual, according to them, has no meaningful existence outside the race. Sure, they weren't the Borg, but they were certainly pretty far on the collectivist side of things.

So did Hitler

>I deem it collectivist, therefore its the same as communism/bolshevism/heresy/other bullshit excuse
Germans were not anti-natsoc, this is zionist/commie/Ameri-nigger post WW2 bullshit to cover themselves after the fact

Race was important across the European theatre prior to this conflict, and yes, national interests come before selfish traitorous fucks.

>you're at least a little collectivist
>therefore you're heresy/communism
>I-I swear this I-Isn't an excuse to cover up our religious t-tracks t-to damage control after WW2
Nobody communist/atheistic believes you, sheep.

hitler pasted togheter his thulean nonsence, fasicst ideology copied from mussolini with roman larping to create something truly disgusting. Germanics have alsways been subhuman barbarians
>how that doesn't apply to commies
a communist does not hide his intentions
>Not at all, its your entire position, the whole time, nigger.
i wasnt calling anybody a collectivist
>Non-white/anti-white detected.
nope

>So did Hitler
No, he didn't. The full scale of what went on in the Eastern Front is omitted thanks to commie Russian archives, that includes ALL the written Allied/Soviet historical bullshit on record.
Not going to believe that over a crusade against Judeo-Bolshevism in the 30s and 40s. You're non-white or an American sheep if you believe that. Same thing, really.

>similar symbols means Germany is non-Christian
Same thing applies to Americans, faggot. Do you think the eagle/hawk symbolism applies only to European movements?
>commies hide their intentions
Then you're a bigger retard than I imagined.
>I wasn't calling anyone a collectivist
>implying the third reich was the same as above
Yes, you did. Otherwise, why bring it up?
>nope
Then you're a religious American retard, or a stupid ancap.

>Stalin kills Christians
>FUCK COMMUNIST SHEEP
>Hitler kills Christians
>BASED FUCKING HITLER 14/88
You're a parody

you are confusing people
this is me

What are you even trying to say?

>mystery to you
IDC
Thats okay, that door swings both ways, you automatically assumed I was of a Thulean perspective.

No such thing applies to me.

Because free market capitalism is much better.

Hitler was very pro-Christian
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_Kolbe

the whole natsoc ideology is based on germanic/aryab racial superiority, which from thule society
hehe Xd good one

which originated*

>the whole natsoc ideology is based on germanic/aryab racial superiority, which from thule society
le ayrab racial supreriority xDDD had nothing to do with Thule society, go back to plebbit
NatSoc Germany had minimal ties to Pagan predecessors, citing the traitor Bormann, the faggot Rohm, or the cherry-picked Himmler, or similar exceptions does not make your case, and it wont convince non-whites or atheists. I know this for a fact.

Most of the Third Reich were Christian until the end, whether you like it or not, heathen/deceptive faggot.

>circle-jerking this much over anti-white judeo-masonic capitalism
Might as well sport a hammer and sickle, while you're at it.

>willingly getting your liberties ¢ucked by a strongman and a state with limitless power

>zionists are internationalists until they get their favored jewish state back
Why would group be internationalist and be nationalist? This doesn't make any sense at all.

>this is a mystery to complete faggots
Entire world up until the establishment of Israel tended towards anti-Zionism. Blaming Germany does fucking nothing, you utter idiot. This is what they expect you to do.

it had everything to do with thule society and larpers such as alfred rosenberg

This.

>Alfred Rosenberg
>larper
Please explain.

No, Thule Society played a miniscule role at best, the catholic southern German/Prussian conservative christian movements played a far bigger role.

Nothing you have said so far will convince a non-white/atheist intelligent individual, no matter how much you scream about it, retard.

Nothing wrong with it besides hitlerfags trying to whitewash the Austrian autist with their mental gymnastics.

>willingly being done the same by some rich faggot who doesn't even care about the country he milks.

>catholic southern German/Prussian conservative christian movements played a far bigger role.
the mythical aryan race has nothing in common with christianity
this. this shithead is tuining my thread

>Germany
>Spain
>Japan
>Chile
>Brazil
>Fascist

>Taiwan
>Portugal
>Failures

>Poortugal
>Not a failure
Top kek.
It is the shittiest Western country BY FAR
Coincidentally it also experienced the longest period of fascist rule and fascist ""'economics"" (autarky, corporativism, etc)

You have a symbiotic relationship with your wider group whether you like or not though. Your group's welfare and competitiveness directly impacts your own welfare and ability to perform.

>that image

>They believed that the individual is nothing

The whole notion of individualism vs. collectivism is enlightenment autism run amok. The individual's relationship with his group is symbiotic, he quite literally cannot survive without it. Even if you embrace the meme definition of individualism to mean pastel-colored hair and pretending to be a girl, then you need a wider group that supports the imposition of these "values" to be strong enough to maintain power and cohesion for a long enough period of time.

Why is Enlightenment philosophy so bad? Individualism and collectivism are not some dichotomous choice.

most spooked ideology
why is any of the collectivist shit justified in the first place? nation, culture, religion and morality - all made up bullshit to get people to act in ways that serve the elite
hitler spewed so much nonsense he started believing in the occult himself

free market is a market that allows freedom through competition, not one that results in monopolies

>why is any of the collectivist shit justified in the first place? nation, culture, religion and morality - all made up bullshit to get people to act in ways that serve the elite

Do you want you and your progeny to survive in a progressive (in the literal sense of the term) civilization with improving metrics for life on all fronts?

Then you'll care about these things.

Do you just want to be a crypto-leftard autist who follows "philosophy" for eight year olds and doesn't care about the future?

Then you don't care.