By introducing simplified characters, the communists made things more difficult for everyone involved. Educated people of the time had to learn to read and write a new set of characters, citizens of other Chinese-majority countries (except Singapore) stopped understanding books and newspapers printed in the PRC (not that they particularly cared then), learners of Chinese as a foreign language are now essentially forced to study both sets of characters if they want to do business and function independently in all the places where Chinese is spoken, and now, even in the Mainland, with the latest emphasis on the Chinese cultural heritage, people are starting to learn the traditional characters which they encounter more and more often—on store signs, on the internet, in print, on their trips abroad.
Lots of time and effort poured into something that essentially backfired.
Simplified Chinese characters a waste of time, money, and effort for everyone involved
简化字 are easier for 老外 like me to learn.
Wrong on every point, Mr. Tseng. Wade-Giles got btfo by the supreme PinYin master-transliteration, and the sleek new modern characters have increased text printing efficiency to an incredibly high level.
繁体字上电脑看书很难
People in Hong Kong seem to have no problem with that and the screens are constantly improving.
Whoever made that doesn't realize that "heart" has simply been replaced by "friend", so you can still get the meaning out of the word.
Yeah, I probably chose a triggering picture. The thread, though, is not about the meaning or one system's superiority over the other, it's about the fact that lots of people learn more characters than they would have to learn if the communists kept the old writing system in place.
But simplified was invented so people who could not read or write could learn to read and write, which was most people in China at the time.
The intellectuals that knew traditional would have no issue learning a new set of hanzi as they were intellectuals.
Most people only learned one set which was simplified.
>But simplified was invented so people who could not read or write could learn to read and write, which was most people in China at the time.
Factually wrong, ROC had no problem educating their population, in fact traditional characters are easier to learn because at least they have a set of simple consistant rulers, meanwhile the construction of the simplified characters seemed to go well until they just gave zero fuck and called it a day.
Also some simplified characters have more strokes than traditional ones.
強""simplfied"" to 强,
how can people even read and understand these moon runes is beyond me
失明一定非常痛苦
RoC we're also educating people who were brought up by Japanese colonialism. Mainland peasants were much more retarded at the time
>Also some simplified characters have more strokes than traditional ones.
Yeah but 99% don't.
学 vs 學
个 vs 個
On a computer screen these look fucking awful.
Except the migration to Taiwan from the mainland is the biggest in recorded history, also ROC control more than just Taiwan.
And If countless peasants can be fucking prime ministers then the others can to.
>On a computer screen these look fucking awful.
If you are blind
学looks like shit
學is comfy
>Surely the people that escaped to Taiwan were all destitute mainland peasants instead of relatively well off businessmen and middle class landlords who had the means and capability to secure their safe passage.
Come on user
Just use fucking roman alphabet you autistic fucks.
sage
>just use a language which wastes more space
Nope.
>well off businessmen and middle class landlords who had the means and capability to secure their safe passage.
>The ROC government’s relocation to Taiwan in 1949 occasioned an influx of 1.2 million people from the Chinese mainland to the island.
>Ignore source about poor people being officials
>ignore Taiwan is not the only area controlled by ROC
>Ignore that those who got educated by the Japanese learned Traditional Characters
Traditional is a clusterfuck to read on screens.
Their only mistake was not killing traditional hard enough.
even something like a syllabary would be better than a 1-character-is-one-word system.
though that wouldn't work well in china since it's regional dialects can lack any mutual intelligibility with regards to pronunciation.
>even something like a syllabary would be better than a 1-character-is-one-word system.
you have clearly never studied chinese.
>muh homonyms
>muh homonyms muthafucka
There is literally nothing special about Chinese that requires it to be written in hieroglyphics.
The Chinese written language is a perfect medium for hundreds of separate Chinese dialects to communicate with each other.
Doesn't matter what dialect of Chinese you speak, you read and write in one standardised form.
They could easily read and write in a standard, alphabetical Mandarin.
It's not like a standardised written language is a new concept or anything, even by people who don't speak it.
No they couldn't
All the dialects use different sounds. They can't use a phonetic writing system
Just kill all the Canto, Hakka, Yueh, and Min speakers already and enforce Mandarin.
>They could easily read and write in a standard, alphabetical Mandarin.
No not really, because they would've all been speaking a standard, alphabetical mandarin instead of their regional dialect. Chinese writing system is literally one of the most prominent reasons why China has been able to be so unified historically
...Do you not know what 'standard' means?
>No not really, because they would've all been speaking a standard, alphabetical mandarin instead of their regional dialect.
This makes no sense.
>enforce Mandarin.
Which dialect?
Imma try to make this as easy as I can for you user. Alphabets encode phonetic information. Logograms encode abstract ideological information. If you use a writing system that encodes the way you speak a word, you're going to be speaking a standardized version of that word, or at least a version closer to that standardized version, instead of whatever local dialect/language you're currently speaking now with moon runes
>If you use a writing system that encodes the way you speak a word, you're going to be speaking a standardized version of that word
But that's completely wrong.
Why would you think such an obviously wrong thing?
People are easily capable of using a different dialect or even different language as a standard written language. Most historical writing was like this, in fact.
I agree. We should teach Americans to write Dutch but speak English.
Or maybe Vietnamese because they both use a latin alphabet
Or just written English.
Vietnamese is mostly a single coherent language unlike Chinese
Go use some甲骨文 Cheung
What does that last character mean?
n.
a person with small genital; Hongkonger
>Honkroach
>人
Everything you say is wrong.
Success breeding jealousy, as per usual.
I for one fully support our Hong Kong friends in their struggle against the Chicom menace.
>success
在Veeky Forums批评简体字。智障吗?
>Veeky Forums
>ever 不智障
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Simplified is far simpler than traditional. Chinese don't give a fuck if foreigners can't comprehend it or not.
>Factually wrong,
[Citation needed]
>學is comfy
I need a magnifying glass (exaggeration, but not far off) to even see the details of the top part.
Everyone here does realize that "Traditional" also utilizes thousands of simplifications, right?
Furthermore, learned Chinese can understand both traditional and simplified quite well. Even the differences are rather minor if you understand the context.
As a native of Hangzhou, and someone who now speaks Spanish and lives in Spain, I'd describe it as the difference between written Portuguese and written Spanish.
So, in conclusion, OP is stupid.
杭州是不是没有微信支付
Haha Most literally don't care if foreign people want to learn Chinese, learning English is more desirable
On tomboy that land reform was easily in Taiwan because the wealthy people had no land so they had no issue with it vs the landowners in most countries.
黑鬼自杀
Just learn kanji.
Traditional preserves meaning, etymology, aesthetics, is therefore easier to remember and nicer to look at. Meaningful "complexity" is easier to remember than meaningless simplicity. It's also nice to be able to go to an ancient site and read the calligraphy. It preserves a link to the past, which (IMO), is the deep motivation behind going simplified. It's an attack on the past (and the link of Chinese people to it).
On a cumputer screen they look fuxxing dank.
Time.
Not that difficult for people who already live in the language and might have classic confucian poems etc. already memorised in aural form.
The Chinese alphabet offers far greater potential for expanded shitposts in limited character media (eg twitter).
The characters are also nice because people with different languages/dialects can understand each other.
毛主席請走
This is the true patrician answer.
>是不是没有
I thought you say 有没有 here?
You from Taiwan or something Chang? Cause you can actually see the strokes of 学
Only non-natives give a fuck about Simplified vs Traditional or Kanji existing.
All you people complaining about traditional being hard to read need to stop being NEETs and buy better laptops and phones.
Could also just use the browser zoom or use the browser's dev tools to increase the font size.
>It preserves a link to the past, which (IMO), is the deep motivation behind going simplified. It's an attack on the past (and the link of Chinese people to it).
Such a silly line of thinking. Only in east asia lol.
that's not even what i meant.
in chinese the characters ARE read as single syllables and most words have 2 characters not one.
Tell that to English speakers.
>in chinese the characters ARE read as single syllables and most words have 2 characters not one.
That's not a problem for alphabetical writing though.
"Dude destroy the past" -t.mao
"What? Destroying the link to the past couldn't be why communists rather than nationalists, overseas Chinese or Hongkongnese switched characters." -you
Nationalists wanted to do it. Singapore also did their own simplifications before adopting PRC ones.
>Nationalists wanted to do it
The Left wing got purged for a reason user