I WAS MOON

They literally are? You'd be hard pressed to find a single cuckold that is also patriotic.

>They kinda are in a way.
They kinda aren't in any other way.

>I have done extensive surveys of the cuckold community

Every french man in the world?

Suprisingly, frenchmen fuck around like crazy and often have mistresses.

we're talking metaphorically here son. Thats when we use a concept to refer to another one because they are similar.

So if you are a cuckold, you let another man take your wife.

And if you are a blind nationalist, you let other people take your brain.

Was a joke, but eh. Anyways as an actual rebuttel, patriotism isn't necessarily the same as COMPLETRLY worshipping a nation/claiming the achievements of others in your nation as your own

Neil Armstrong specifically said "one giant leap for Mankind" so that it could be framed as an achievement of the entire human race, not just Americans. You don't have to feel left out. You were also moon.

yeah and then they went and planted a burgerland flag on there.

Was I Moon too, user? Tell me it is so.

That was merely a nod to the ancient practice of explorers planting flags.

But it is the same as feeling a sense of pride in a nation's collective achievements, i.e. "we landed on the moon".

Not to mention that NASA wouldn't have landed on the moon without the common man paying his taxes.

what about ted cruz

t. subhuman individual

This is a weird metaphor. Either way you keep shifting the goalpost. The thread started with "claiming part of the achievements of your fellow countrymen" and you turned it into "patriotic no matter what" to "people who worship their nation" to "blind nationalists".

I can not discuss with you if you keep changing the topic.

History has had way worse WE WUZZING. The worst is probably modern day Greece.

>cheer his own team
I've moved around my whole life so I don't actually have a "team".

Actually playing sports is a great way to foster a sense of community and commitment to physical health, but sitting on your ass eating chicken wings and drinking beer and watching "the game" is an achievement simulator for working rubes to artificially sample the taste of victory without having to put in the work of actually achieving anything. Gladiatorialized sports represent the commodification and commercialization of masculinity in order to distract these working rubes from the hollow vacuity of their lives. The sheer act of commodifying masculinity renders it into pointless logic puzzles in an age where citizen-soldier values have been supplanted by the values of the service class, and overall is a symptom of the increasing infantilization of western culture.

Nationalism works along the same principles.

>why don't you emigrate too--
Because I like living in a county which remembers that symbols are hollow when divorced from the living people they're supposed to represent. Why don't you move to North Korea if you need to live in an impoverished rural shithole ruled by a strongman who brainwashes people into pledging blind allegiance to symbols?

That would be silly.

What's entirely normal is realizing your connection to achievements which were made possible by the culture, economy and institutions shared, maintained and propagated by both yourself and those who accomplished them.

But what am I doing, posting in a troll thread...

But there's a difference between loving your country for what it does verses loving your country no matter what it does. One fosters a sense of responsibility, the other fosters blind arrogance that leads to war.

But that's not what this threat was about so you're arguing a strawman.

Maybe you shouldn't have been moving around your whole life then. People don't like other people who switch sides all the time.

I also detest your absolute arrogance when judging other people's life choices. Why is it wrong for a couple of middle class folks who just spend their day working hard, to sit down on the couch, enjoy some nice food, and enjoy a collective sense of pride in the achievements of a certain sports team?

Not to mention they directly support that teams achievements by cheering for them in a stadium or buying team collectables that financially support the sports team.

It's exactly what the thread is about. OP is asking if it's bad to take ownership of the achievements of others for the simple fact that you were born on the same patch of clay.

The answer is more subtle than either /pol/tards or redditors would care to admit.

> loving your country no matter what it does
> claim they were somehow involved in the achievements of others just because they happened to be born on the same arbitrary section of dirt?

These things are exactly the same according to you?

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I feel no sense of loss for having travelled a lot, but I do feel a sense of gain knowing that I haven't blown huge amounts of money on sports paraphernalia, and a sense of pity for people who can't see outside the narrow confines of their immediate comfort zone caused by a lack of travel.

> Why is it wrong for a couple of middle class folks who just spend their day working hard, to sit down on the couch, enjoy some nice food, and enjoy a collective sense of pride in the achievements of a certain sports team?
It's not "wrong", it's just misguided. The system is structured to pay them pittances to make them feel like they're achieving something but in practice is teaching them complacency while depriving them of any sense of localism or personal initiative. Instead of sitting down to celebrate their own accomplishments or the accomplishments of their loved ones they're living vicariously through somebody else's, losing their minds when these players show an ounce of personality and disrupt the power-fantasies of their fans. Most pro-ballers and coaching staff (hell, even most of the owners) don't even come from the area they're supposedly representing, you're celebrating a marketing scheme which renders every town and culture into carbon copies of each other but with a different paint scheme.

You could make an argument for celebrating college sports if it hadn't degenerated into a massive money making scheme which gives college degrees to illiterates.

>creates and celebrates crass consumerism
Our infrastructure crumbles and people forget their values but that's okay because they fill their lives with cheap junk which is only made valuable because somebody they've never (or barely) met put his name on it.

>arrogant pseudo-intellectual judges people for their simple pleasures in life

I barely bothered to read your post because it hardly even addresses to subject of this thread and is mostly self-indulgent monologue about your points of view on random stuff.

You also have the RealTraveller© vibe down to a t.

>You also have the RealTraveller© vibe down to a t.

/trv/ detected

I suspect that OP's country did not get to the Moon. Cheer up, OP, I'm sure you guys make excellent cheese or something.

Why yes, other then the ways they are the same, they are not the same.

Teach me how to have smarts like you.

>the diabetic whose foot is rotting off defends the "simple pleasures" of eating junk food.

History will remember sports culture the same way it remembers Romans at the coliseum: degenerates sitting on the bleachers living vicariously through a stranger bringing shame to the accomplishments and memories of their grandfathers and great grandfathers.

Yeah. And on various missions they left a memorial to fallen astronauts and cosmonauts, two medals that had been awarded by the Soviet Union to Yuri Gagarin and Vladimir Komarov (quietly donated by their widows), a silicon disk engraved with messages of peace from the leaders of 73 nations, etc.

The missions were undertaken by an agency of the American government, in an atmosphere of intense competition with the Soviet Union for national prestige -- but given that, they were also well aware of, and acknowledged repeatedly, that the event had significance for humanity as a whole, not just for the US.

You must be fun at parties

Care to list your accomplishments?

Reddit tier response. I'd report you but mods are cucks here so I won't bother.

> Is there any more pathetic than a guy refusing to cheer for his own team because "hurr durr its just an arbitrary choice"?

A guy who wants to feel good for others' achievements instead of creating something himself? Or, indeed, one who does not make a single fucking argument?

>Cuck
So you've never been invited to a party

I'd report you for criticizing the moderation in violation of global rule 8, but ditto.

So, if I may sum up the thread to this point:

STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE!

NO U!

NO U!

NO U!

ETC.

Siding with the mods and citing rules is a great way to out yourself as a newfag, newfag.

Calling others a newfag is a great way to out yourself as a newfag

Daily reminder
Patriotism: I love my country because [reasons]
Nationalism: WE WUZ KANGZ N SHIEEET

No, you're an idiot.
Patriotism: loving your country
Nationalism: loving your nation
Reminder to Amerifats: nation and country are not synonyms

What's the difference between country and nation?

Nobody was discussing diabetics in this thread. What you are doing is called arguing a strawman. It fits perfectly with your tendency to stretch the discussion in the areas that it does not pertain to. Btw, Julies Caesar himself sat in the Colosseum at some point.

As I've pointed out before, by being a taxpaying citizens of the USA, this person has in fact directly contributed to NASA landing on the moon. He has every right to feel pride in that.

Yeah, because we're actually doing things instead of sitting around watching other people do stuff.

No, because they're meaningless to people who don't know me.

"Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces."

Country is a state. Nation is a group of people usually sharing an ethnicity and a territory.

One is a style of music with a sort of twanky-twank sound to it, the other is a rather inferior book by Terry Pratchett.

>Julies Caesar himself sat in the Colosseum at some point.

Assuming you meant Julius Caesar, the dictator, assasinated in 44BC, no he didn't.

Terry Pratchett never wrote a good book. JK Rowling tier author.

>My traveling is a superior enlightening pursuit and not just me going on vacation

Stop it mate. Vacation isn't an achievement.

BURN THIS HERETIC!

Anglos just suck at literature, sorry Nigel.

>travel = vacation
>T. Suburban kiddie

I travel for work, son.

Making it even less significant because a Hong Kong office really isn't that different from a Austin office.

Boy, your affluent white kid syndrome is really showing

> As I've pointed out before, by being a taxpaying citizens of the USA, this person has in fact directly contributed to NASA landing on the moon. He has every right to feel pride in that.

Yeah, how very upstanding of him to do a thing he is forced to.

Post the full image pls. IIRC its funnier

It's only appropriate to wewuz the moon when metricfags get uppity. But that's pretty much cut/uncut shitposting at that point.

So tell me, what should we as Americans be doing then?

If I recall correctly, we were not discussing whether this person was upstanding for paying his taxes.

its mainly americans really
do you think soviets go "we saved europe from germany" or spaniards go "we discovered america and made the first trip around the globe"

So this is how non-Americans cope with never landing on the moon.

Which is why I've always supported the US despite being a Euro. You certainly wouldn't have seen the Soviets labeling it as mankind's great step forward, it would be 'the powers of socialism' or 'the Soviet workers triumph' or some other bullshit.

Sure there is. People claiming the achievements of others based on their skin color, for example.

I agree. This is why we need to fucking stop black history month.

Most definitely yes, and no not so often because Columbus was Italian.

>Most definitely yes
wrong, europeans and asians dont take personal pride for their ancestors achievements just because they were born in the same country. except brits maybe, thats part of their jingoistic way of thinking.
>Columbus was Italian
nobody cares if he was italian, he was only able to do the trip because of being funded by the crown of castille

>we saved europe from germany
The russkies bring that up all the time.

Are you fucking serious? I know for a fact that you don't know a single Russian person if you think the Russians don't take pride in saving Europe from Nazi Germany.

If I was a betting man I would say you are either German or Swedish.

Where the fuck are you from to bw this delusional?

>Statists

>europeans and asians dont take personal pride for their ancestors achievements
lol wtf are you smoking

Maybe the "people" who try to apply guilt by those same parameters? AKA most leftists?

A nationals achievements are a team effort. If you want individual achievement, go live in the woods

>all the people in this thread that fell for the individualism meme
unless you were tossed into the wilds by your parents as an infant, since birth you've always been part of a collective.

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The achievements of humanity are to be lauded. Those without them paw at those who do have them, crying for them to relinquish their pride. Only to stab them in the back erstwhile they claim those accomplishments to be solely cut from their blood's cloth. Just look at the black history revisionism, and the replacing of columbus day with indinigger day.

collectivism means that you want to avoid changes in society no matter what. it doesn't mean whatever your supposing it means

Wrong. The collective is an individual made up of individuals, which acts in its own interests.

>The collective is an individual made up of individuals
is this newspeak?

>thinks nation states are like football teams

More like sports teams are like nations. It's kind of the entire point.

>americans think all the world is arrogant like them
not surprised

Maybe it's part and parcel of appreciating your country and the lifestyle it provides. You will celebrate the achievements of your country because they mean your government is succeeding and your comfy lifestyle is guaranteed.

a person won't care about the achievements of others when there is nothing to gain for himself.

D-did she was bukake victimed?

Cheering for a football team is kinda gay too.

>"Eternal China"
>Not the peak of arrogance

Having pride in the achievements of your political community is a very useful behavior.