Things That Didn't Happen: Alexander's Campaigns

So we are unironically supposed to believe that Macedonia could field an army of 65 thousand men (fucking preposterous) and that they marched all the way from Macedonia into India which is logistically impossible to achieve even today.

This shit never happened. This shit is a myth like the fucking Trojan war a faggot called Alexander probably did attack Asia minor with like 1000 men raided some village stole some chickens and got back to his shithole. The logistics required for this are impossible. Napoleon's cavalry logistics are described very well in the 19th Century a fucking horse drinks 3 times as much as a soldier so the fucking cavalry alone would require hundreds of millions of gallons of water every couple of weeks not to mention these faggots are marching through the Syrian and Iranian desert half the time not mention that the camp following (which also require food and water) would be even bigger than the fucking army itself not to mention that this is the bronze age and that every village grew enough food to only sustain itself not to mention that until the modern period the number one rule of war was fucking scorched earth tactics when an army was invading you not fucking mention that he would have to leave an outrageous garrison in every city he conquered.

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Also where the FUCK did he get an army so fucking big? Greece was literally depopulated by wars between Athens and Sparta and later Phillip and Boetia and Athens somehow this kingdom of goatfuckers managed to spawn 60 thousand troops out of nowhere and leave enough of a garrison to defend Macedon from the barabarians and keep their Greek hegemony. It didn't fucking happen Greece today united with all the modern agriculture and medecine and shit has like 10 million people yet we are supposed to belive that in 400 fucking BC Greece also had 110 million people well what the fuck have you been to Greece it's a rocky shithole where nothing grows except olives and sheep and shit yet it was supposed to have 10 FUCKING MILLION people yeah right visit the ruins of ancient Athens and you'll see that shit was 2 square miles at best and being generous. Alexander's Army was basically half of the entire modern army of Greece in 2017 and that's all of Greece not just fucking Macedon it's bigger than the fucking army of Sweden Canada and Australia, bigger than the fucking army of Iraq and Chile it didn't fucking happen most ancient numbers and wars are over inflated and over-exaggerated af do you really believe that 60,000k Romans died in the battle of Cannae ELEPHANTS ALPS LMAO (you can't even get a fucking elephant to stand in a -degree temperature) I'll deal with Rome in another episode

>I'll deal with Rome in another episode
Please don't.

Why make a useless thread like this? I know people was replies, but at least put effort into it.

An elephant was brought over the alps a few decades ago, champ.

You could have asked about Macedonian logistics without acting like such a retard

keep getting cucked by Wikipedia basic bitch brainlets. The fact is that the official numbers are being questioned heavily by Historical departments worldwide. IF you ever talk to an actual military historian he would fucking LOL at muh 200,000 Persians or the entire battle of Cannae

Lol go on

Numbers were normally inflated in antiquity, that's not new. Cannae we have the number of legions documented by Polybius, who is considered the most reliable source in antiquity.

Ya at this point, I guess it's just worth seeing where this goes.

>I know people was replies

What did he mean with this?

Meant to be want

History is written and re-written all the fucking time the largest battle was the fucking battle of Grunwald (which itself has vastly over inflated numbers) and the fucking logistics there are at least understandable compare that shit to the major wars of antiquity. This is some vastly over exaggerated late Roman propaganda shit later taken up by the Popes

in the middle ages*

There's a word for this. Something about not knowing enough.
Look up battles between any empire and another, you'll see 10000+ armies fighting each-other every year.
>Greece was literally depopulated by wars between Athens and Sparta
>Greece was Athens and Sparta
>and Sparta and later Phillip and Boetia and Athens
Almost every male in Greece was a soldier at this time, this alone disproves everything you've said.

Why would they need 10 million people to have 60,000 troops. That ratio requirement makes no sense.

>Implying the Middle East was as arid 2300 years ago as it is now
>Implying armies ins this period weren't essentially mass-migrations
>Implying he needed to garrison anything any not just rely on the threat of future force to extract tribute
>Implying the Peloponnesian War wasn't 80 years prior to Alexander's conquest
>Implying Macedon didn't also draw troops from Thrace, Illyria, and Paeonia
>Implying the numbers at Cannae are anywhere near controversial
>Implying you can't take elephants over the alps
>Implying you have anything intelligent to say about Rome

If Alexander never went past asia minor, how do you explain shit like the greco bactrian kingdoms or the ptolemaic dynasty?
nigga you dumb. sure, ancient "historians" exaggerated a lot of their numbers but the effects of alexander's conquests are so drastic that it's not a matter of belief whether or not it happened. it just fucking did

If Alexander the Great didn't exist, how do you explain Koine Greek? Or is that entire corpus of literature fake too?

The rule of thumb for military historians when dealing with this shit is to divide the numbers by ten ancient historians would over-exaggerate the numbers to make defeats and victory's look fucken epic For example everyone today agrees that the traditional numbers in Agincourt are not true and that it wasn't a victory against overwhelming odds but a pretty much even fight nobody really believes that the Romans faced 230000 barbarians in the battle of Walting street but wikipedia will keeps cucking young and impressionable minds

They were either hellenized dynasties and hellenized ruling castes at best even if they did exist as it is fucking claimed (not a single hellenized structure or city is actually found anywhere in Afghanistan except for some coin or some shit)

>Ai-Khanoum
You guys aren't even trying.

>Somehow deducing that you would need a population of 10 million people to field an army of 60,000, at a time when age of service requirements were often much more broad if they existed at all.
No, really, how did you reach this conclusion? Fucking how?

>alexander's campaigns didn't happen because some source said they had 65k troops when a more realistic figure would be 20k
>ww2 didn't happen because they said carrots give you night vision but that's not true
shitty analysis

Still doesn't affect Alexander's army or campaign.

>No, really, how did you reach this conclusion? Fucking how?
You could be needlessly optimistic and assume he went off the NATO average per capita army personnel: 0.6%

>he's right you know
Yeah user but most academics don't sweat that shit. Some of the more modern ones are starting to make mention.

Samefag here
Inflated inaccurate numbers from questionable historical accounts is what I mean.

>it's been almost 2400 years
>P*rsians are still mad
Calm down, Darius

That's the dumbest fucking thing any person has posted in this fucking thread

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Why? user looked at the data, and made a fitting (if obviously unlikely, but he was clearly facetious) hypotesis. It's loads smarter than OP just dismissing all data outright.

modern brainlets btfo, unable to comprehend greatness of ancient civilization

imagine a bare-footed spartan stepping on your face forever

>not to mention that this is the bronze age
Alexander lived 800 years after the bronze age.

>Trojan War was entirely a myth
>Alexander's campaign was entirely a myth
sounds like you simply don't want to study history to see the truth in legends

also reminder to sage bait threads

t. Chang mad at Europe's achievements. Daily reminder that the Chinese had a Caucasoid border people in the Western marches that contributed significantly to their civilizational development who they exterminated and denied the existence of.

>Chinese Empire was kickstarted by proto-germanic warrior caste
Tell me something I didn't know already

You sound mad. The idea that the Chinese Civilization™ started in the Xia kingdoms and radiated outward from there is not supported by archeological evidence, it was developed dynamically from a mixture of all the surrounding cultures. And Qin?

>You sound mad.
How did you get that idea from my post?

>Navel expedition

It just is

Read a fucking book you stupid ape

What you mean the Tocharians?

The Tarim Basin to modern Beijing is 3900 km

Thats basically the same distance as Tehran to Vienna. To say they contributed significantly is a huge ass pull with no basis of archeological facts. Especially considering the sheer difficulty of travel from western china to basically anywhere else.

Literally makes no sense
>Complains that 65 thousand isn't possible
>When Chinese historical records state that Qin alone had around 1 million men during the Warring States.

The map OP posted shows 8 cities named Alexandria while OP is trying to explain that Alexander didn't conquer them.

So it took the Mongols 20 years to cross the steppe and invade Russia but this Alexander the Great faggot took like ten to conquer half the Middle East with his army of heavy infantry and heavy resistance sure yeah sure that fucking happened. Keep beliveing this faggots but it didn't happen this is impossible militarily and logistically.

You fags have no idea how a army actually works a modern infantry platoon of 30 men require 3 tons of water (granted most of is for vehicles and shit) so 40 liters per person for drinking and cooking per day. Keep in mind that there are no fucking refirigarators or other shit the water gets spoiled after a day and you're fucked.

Calculate this brainlets to keep a fighting man fed in combat condition you need 6 lbs of food for one so to feed an army of 60 thousand fed just to march 60 miles per day you will need at least 600 supply wagons packing 1100 lbs of food and that's just fucking food not to mention all the fucking water and horse feed weapons and equipment with no fucking re-supply. Come on brainlets go to fucking Israel today and try marching to the Jordanian border you won't be able to do it and it's only 20 miles because you cucks will die in the fucking desert.

Another generic alt-'knowledge' thread by a faggot with special snowflake syndrome.

oh plz brainlet you've never been to Afghanistan muh Columns doesn't mean shit since they were literally all over the fucking place including pre- Ptolemaic Egypt and Persia itself.

special snowflake triggered

continue being poor

wikipedia was a fucking mistake now every nu male is a fucking historian all of a sudden

>from a triggered special snowflake ranting his tl;dr holywood script

>>>/thehistorychannel/

>"20 years to cross the steppes"
>just the steppe
>what is fucking taiga and winters

>"heavy armoured men"

you don't know what you talk about. greek armour compared to posterior civilizations is considered relatively light.
Also, Alex didn't make up logistic routes but rather sacked and used the fallen territories own resources

Go to bed Zhang

First of all I'm probably the only white person ITT full of low iq monkeys

Second of all in the ancient world there was no food to sack since every nigger grew just enough to feed himself and his immediate family and all of a sudden this horde of 60 thousand niggers shows up. Modern countries in the EU struggle to supply that many refugee niggers daily. Even if that could theoretically and magically work for food it doesn't work for water then this faggot decides to march through Iran and Afghanistan into India where nothing grows and nobody lives at all AT ALL to this day

Post your hands and we'll see how white you are, chink.

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Finally someone speaks what we've all been thinking. Same goes for that silly myth about illiterate medieval peasants being able to sail to Sicily or Sardinia

the camera broke on my shitphone better one

And that's why we call him the Great

>water gets spoiled after a day

Finally, an interesting specimen. Do go on, chimp.

yes my dear nigger in the age before refrigeration that shit spoiled at a very quick rate have you heard of dysentery, Cholera, Typhoid diarrhea and other shit?

Kek, your mindset of underestimating every civilization in history but yours is pathetic

shut the fuck up fag.This isn't about felating muh civilization or muh saving the white race larp bullshit it's about the logic and truth in this case. It didn't happen something probably happened but it was some Trojan war tier faggotry where everyone just assumes that it wasn't a war but maybe a pirate raid that got overly dramatized

The sources about Alexander come from these faggots:

Arrian (c.90-170 or 96-160 AD)'
Quintus Curtius ( 1st to 5th centuries of AD),
Plutarch (c.46-100 AD),
Justin (c.2nd century of AD) and
5. Diodorus (first century of AD).

Noter that each of these cunts lived either 300 to 800 years after Alexander. There are literally zero contemporary sources about Alexander and most of this shit is just pulled out of Plutarch's ass

>o 40 liters per person for drinking and cooking per day
You think one person drinks 40 liters of water per day? wat?

>the water gets spoiled after a day
Can you be any more american?

Spider arms.

Get some sun dweeb

>Numbers were normally inflated in antiquity, that's not new. Cannae we have the number of legions documented by Polybius, who is considered the most reliable source in antiquity.
Many of the Romans would have died from asphyxiation and trampled by 100s of feet.

Brainlet here, does water actually spoil? This sounds retarded to me

>Just columns
Way to miss the rest of the Hellenistic artifacts.

>Diodorus
First century BC
>Quintus
First century AD

Dates are hard.

That's a retarded ass argument. How the hell would they asphyxiate? And in war, people do get trampled on if they fall. And Cannae was an absolute mess for the Romans going by descriptions, they were in too close of a formation, trapped and slaughtered.

>How the hell would they asphyxiate?
You are a brainlet.

>noone worked out how to transport water for more than a day before refrigerators were invented

Eventually shit starts growing in it.

do enlighten faggot

the way it was done was by [spoiler]digging a well [/spoiler]

good luck with that in Syria with 60k men and horses fag

Write a paper on it, I'm sure you'll revolutionize the world of history

Quite the argument you got there.

Why are ancient coins so shitty?
They can make armor and weapons, build great cities, have life-like statues, but can't accurately mint a coin!?!?

the absolute fucking mad man, hahaha

this

this worse than fomenko.

>how do you explain shit like the greco bactrian kingdoms or the ptolemaic dynasty?
greek adventurers, mercenaries and pirates. xenophon literally led mercenaries into the heart of the persian empire. Greeks were literally nigger barbarian warriors

alexander was actually a common greek name f*ggot so it's plausible that several greek kings set up dynasty in the east when the persian empire collapsed and they all happened to be named alexander.

The six million figure is just fear mongering and painting the opposition as evil. Divide the number by three to get proper figure of 2 million. Barely noticeable in such a huge war.

Because they are made from a soft metal and have to pass through hundreds of hands. They weren't minted in that shape.

OP btfo

> he talks about logistics for literally 15 seconds in broken English.

> Hurr food was important! h-he recognized the importance of food so he chose his routes carefuly lol! Ok moving on to medicine now lmao!

> WOW OP BTFO

fucking brainlets

>Chinese Civilization
oxymoron

>wrists of a 14yo girl
>pasty skin
>shit under your fingernails

>The current NATO average can be applied to every time period in history
Wew lad, you are fucking retarded.

Well to be fair, NATO has been around for like ever.