Whose fault is wwi?

>It's their fault-tier
>Austria-Hungry

bullshit. russia's unconditional support for serbia inflated the ultranationalists' irredentist aspirations and encouraged them to assassinate franz ferdinand in the first place.

Arguably if A-H hadn't sat on the problem for a month and just declared war on Serbia it probably would have been a simple regional war. Letting the issue stew for a bit really didn't help.

>Germany is allowed to attack someone if their intrests are endangered
>Britain isn't isnt.
Hmmm you really made me think user.

The Germans knew what they were doing when they told Austria to to attack Serbia. Their plans involved France and Russia declaring war, they were put in an awkward position when Russia mobilised before France and when they told Germany they were mobilising against Austria and not against them. This is why they decided to declare war against both France and Russia.

You Germanboos love to shift blame but from the start Germany was pulling the strings. Austria would not have attacked Serbia if Germany had not promised to support them. Ergo Germany knew Austria attacking Serbia would start a war with France and Russia, ergo Germany intentionally started the war.

Those little Serbian shits deserved it desu.

Forgot to say that they push Austria because they think that if they wait more Russia and France would be too strong

>forcing Britain in to the war

>Found on Veeky Forums, of all pl(...).jpg
>There're aasholes getting rich everyday, why >aren't you one of them. It may not be easy >but it's very simple.
the USA fairytale.

>Dindu nuffin-tier
>France

Oh so they already forgot 1871?

Would France and Britain have still declared war if Germany didn’t demand France disarm their border?

>France
Idiot

... Yes. Revanchism had almost been buried by French politicians, who'd been trying to deter anyone from ever trying to rouse the French into a war against Germany, which they knew they'd be outnumbered. General Boulanger, a presidential candidate in the 1890s was the last face of revanchism, and upon his suicide, there remained only fringe groups like Action Française to reprimand the government for not seeking war.

Instead, French politicians tried to goad the population into seeking colonies rather than revenge against a dangerous enemy, and humiliating Germany on the international scene rather than in a drawn-out bloody war. Even when WWI was coming to Europe at full-speed, the French politicians were still resilient to the thought of war, especially a defeat might mean them being ousted from war, and they tried to negotiate neutrality with Germany (refused by Germany).

The thinking for averting war is as follows: Explain your reasoning user.

*citation needed*

>>Tried to stop it-tier
>United Kingdom

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

the hun

Which part?

Most of what I've got is from this book, that is a picture that is related.

Then, wikipedia has good sources for this stuff:
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Ernest_Boulanger
>After his flight, support for him dwindled, and the Boulangists were defeated in the general elections of July 1889 (after the government forbade Boulanger from running).
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_Française

As for France trying to achieve neutrality,
>On 1 August 1914, a British offer to guarantee French neutrality was sent out and promptly accepted by Wilhelm.[179] At 4:23 p.m. a telegram from the German Ambassador to Britain arrived with a planned British proposal to guarantee the neutrality of France and thus limit the war to one fought in the east. Wilhelm then ordered German forces to strike against Russia alone, leading to fierce protests from Moltke that it was not technically possible for Germany to do so as the bulk of the German forces were already advancing into Luxembourg and Belgium.[179] Wilhelm immediately accepted the proposal by telegrams at the ambassadorial and royal levels."[192]
Happy?

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>Prussian general staff demanding the Schlieffen Plan be adhered to against the will of the Kaiser
Yep, that’s the German Empire for you.

You ever hear how they could’ve reversed all the trains headed for the western border if they tried hard enough?

Germany had to go to war for existential reasons. They needed to expand or they would be destroyed by the brits,russians, and french. However russia did not need to expand . It already has loads of troops and is already a strong country.

in essence

>german imperialistic needs valid
>russia's invalid

oh and you say

>germans declared war on russia that sux XD

When in reality russia was already mobilizing it's troops against germany.

So...you think it's fair that the brits joined the war? I don't disagree but i would like to hear your reasoning.

He has no reasoning. He just believes in the “fought to defend Belgium” myth.

Are we seriously just gonna abandon this thread for no reason?

Back in the 1800's the jewish leadership (the jewish banking families) already had a plan for 3 huge "world wars" that would eliminate white folks from Earth.

WW I already happened, and many millions of white folks were murdered, mostly women and children. Not long after the announcement that "Judea Declares War on Germany" WW II began, and many millions of white folks were murdered.

Right now the Jewish banking families, the government of Israel, and the Jews in the US federal congress are all pushing for WW III, the final White Genocide.

The Jewish leadership considers white folks to be their only obstacle to total world domination. If the white folks were eliminated, then there would be no real resistance to Jewish Globalism and a new One World Government.

Jews consider themselves to be superior to Arabs, Orientals, and vastly superior to black Africans, so with white folks out of their way they would dominate without resistance and naturally become the true masters of this world.

The root cause of why Jews desire a total and complete White Genocide is because Jews consider themselves to be inferior to white folks.

Okay, nevermind, this thread needs to die after all.

That pic triggers me

>dude everyone can be rich if they try hard enough lmao
>dude physical attractiveness is just a state of mind lmao

Whoever wrote that shit should be shot

Literally what the fuck does this have to do with anything relevant?

The war was russia's fault.
Servia deserved worse.

>mobilization is a declaration of war

uhh yeah? Russia was the first to mobilize and they were mobilizing against Germany. Why else would Russia mobilize if not for war?

The eternal bong caused WWI. Keep out, and the frogs put their head down and disavow that stupid agreement with Russia, and the war is confined to the East (likely with minor bong kibitzing in the Balkans, as Perfidious Albion can't help but slink around). All empires likely survive and slowly shrink, rather than the precipitous collapse as historical.

Russian officers actually severed lines of communication so that their mobilization orders couldn't be reversed and war would be inevitable.

And Britain had been glamoring a war with krauts over the naval build-up (which was blown out of proportion for warmongering purposed by bongs in military intelligence).

Read a history book you fucking brainlets

>Serbia mobilized because it was planning to invade Austro-Hungary
>Russia mobilized because it was planning to invade Germany

How's that offensive going, Potiorek?

>Russian officers actually severed lines of communication so that their mobilization orders couldn't be reversed and war would be inevitable.

can i have a source pls? sounds interesting.

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Can't remember where I saw that. Was probably in some documentary about how everyone and their queen mother was war mongering douche bag looking for any excuse to start the Great War.

>I just made it up but trust me guise

Trust me, gai s.

>It's their fault-tier

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Serbia
fucking what
>some serb nationalist boy shoots a high >ranking austrian official
>AH gives them absurd demands that spit on the concept of their sovereignty
>serbia says no
>AH declares war

>Attack someones ally
>Attack a neutral party
>Not forcing people to help

You Krautboos are delusional.

Lmao
>France is helping Russia industry
>France has Russian support
>This is a danger for Germany
>We NEED to attack them both!

Or you know...you could just support Russian industry even more and use your family connections with the Tsar who is your bloody cousin and a push over to create a long term ally.

Other posters in this thread have already covered that France was not interested in war with Germany. I would also like to point out Britain, like France was quite happy with just maintaining the current balance of power. This axe you imagine looming over Germany is bullshit, everyone was afraid of them and didn't want to cause trouble with them. Its why Germany needed to force a war in the Balkans, because they knew it would drag in Russia and that would drag in France.

>tfw people still don't understand the only reason of the war

Already covered by another user here

>russia was the first to mobilize troops.

Mobilizing your armies because a small nation that you'd sworn to protect is about to be invaded is perfectly legitimate.

The entente allies Russia and the British. So if Germany helped Russia that would mean the British would now see Russia as betraying British interests.

I don't think its realistic to suddenly have the Germans become allies with the British.

*to suddenly have the Germans become allies with the Russians

Few politicians vs a whole generation of French (including politicians and militaries...) raised to the sound of revenge songs taught at school, at a time where 80% of population was rural and where the words of teachers, priests and mayors was the only gospel. You are way too much intellectual and overestimate the power of the elite.
youtube.com/watch?v=wlogKJhiGOQ

That's the thing, you don't become allies quickly, it takes years of diplomacy. Germany was an autistic fucking child in this regard. They pissed off both the British and the Russians constantly.

>Promise Russia to help against Japan
>Goad Nicholas in to war personally
>Promise to divide up the British and Japanese colonies in Asia
>Back out once Britain flexes its muscles

Germany abandons Russia against Japan, angering not only the Russians but the Japanese and British as well. Kaiser Wilhelm fucking called Japan the yellow peril and claimed Britain and the USA were Yellow sympathizers. You can't just go telling people you'll help them destroy another guys Empire and then not follow through. This disaster and the German naval build up made Britain side against Germany in everything after that. It also made Russia completely less trusting of Germany. Russia wouldn't trust a liar and Britain wouldn't trust a guy that wants to steal their colonies.

Germany shoots itself in the leg and then says "diplomacy was never an option! They were always planning on attacking us!"

Ah yes, Friedrich "dick all for diplomacy" Wilhelm II.

>Starts off by saying the few (elite) politicians supporting such action are gone
>Finishes by saying those same elite are controlling the masses

The fact that France didn't even begin to mobilize until Germany started invading the countries bordering France is a pretty good indicator that they did not see this coming at all. France was content to rule over their colonies and isolate Germany in Europe politically. They knew they had neither the population or industry to take Germany alone.

If the French had such plans it would take place decades in the future only after Russia had the industry required to support them against Germany. If the mass anti-German propaganda had been successful the pro-war party would have won the 1889 election.
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_legislative_election,_1889

The rest of the government was working extremely hard against the pro-war party because the French elite knew they would lose even if they won (which they did in the end). The pro-war party leader was declared a traitor trying to overthrow the government and committed suicide. Despite all his popularity he still failed because the French elite were working against him.

T. /po/

>>Starts off by saying the few (elite) politicians supporting such action are gone
>>Finishes by saying those same elite are controlling the masses
Was not me.
And you only talk about politics, which was a tiny part of the society. France had a massive military (and the industry that goes with it) and was overall belligerent for a reason.
Pro/cons parties fucking lol, evrery young men were taught how to fight against Prussians for decades to avenge the insult, once again you overestimate the role of the offices and you don't take in account the reality of the society.

You're over estimating the influence of the people who were angry. They lost the election that would have got them what they wanted. If the French prople wanted revenge against Germany they wouldn't have lost.

>muh officers and military

The French government was entirely on top of such elements. They were fearful of yet another coup and so watched military personnel involved in politics very closely. France was already winning without war, they could politically and economically dominate Germany with the assistance of Russia.

One of your angry military men was Georges Ernest Boulanger, a Fench General who wanted to war with Germany.
>His base of support was the working districts of Paris and other cities, plus rural traditionalist Catholics and royalists. He promoted an aggressive nationalism, known as Revanchism, which opposed Germany and called for the defeat of the Franco-Prussian War (1870–71) to be avenged.

He was accused of treason by his more influential opposition and committed suicide. He was the closest France would ever come to havingan aggressive policy regarding Germany.

If the French elite wanted war with Germany they would have supported this man. Instead they condemned him and he killed himself.

A great european war was happening one say kr another; it very well could have been the Agadir crisis or the Balkan wars vs the Ottomans or some other future event. The only givens were AH and Germany vs. France and Russia. If Bismarck remained in power instead of getting dismissed I’m sure Germany would have won it as he’d have damn well kept the UK neutral, which really was the tipping point.

Care to provide proof of this Russo Serbian alliance?

>Russia was mobilising troops against Germany
They were mobilising against Austria in the defence of Serbia, Germany's the one who saw this as a reason to turn the Austro-Russian conflict into WW1

Ok I no longer think Russia caused the war

oh boy is he cool with his sigarette, and deep as well what an incredibly cool guy.

how big is the chance that the author smokes as well?

let me google if he does

t. brainlet

Wilhelm was a fucking idiot who qanted to be a big boy reich so started antagonising France and Britain in the Moroccan crisis and through the naval arms race respectively in an attempt to secure colonies in his Weltpolitik wet dream.

This forced France to end their isolationism and form a Franco-russian alliance which put Germany into a war on two fronts situation / a state of crisis that meant early mobilisation and a preemptive strike would be key to winning.

Then because of the blank cheque issued to Austria-Hungary by Germany (again by Wilhelm without any consultation) and the whole issue of slavic nationalism work broke out and escalated.

Tldr Wilhelm was a prick who ruined the beautiful europe Bismark created

If AH had made reasonable demands the whole thing could have been avoided.

>>Goad Nicholas in to war personally
It was just a prank bro.

>. France had a massive military (and the industry that goes with it) and was overall belligerent for a reason.
Then why did it try to broker neutrality twice, once by meeting with the German ambassador in Paris asking to know what the terms for neutrality would be, and then another through Britain? France felt they were hopelessly outgunned, and both them and Britain were angry with Russia's bullshit (mostly that all the French and British gold was now being used to muster a ridiculously large army).
Even in 1908, France and Russia could've matched their forces, and vied for war against Germany, but both backed down, dreading what war against Germany would mean.

I'm not even trying to depict France "as le morally upright good guy" in all this either, since their entire reasoning was that they shouldn't bother with war since it wasn't advantageous to them.
What you say about revanchism being imprinted on the masses, and swaying them into total war is true for example, considering how little France gave any thought to the peace measures 1917 Germany tried putting on the table to weasel out of a losing war.

>Then why...
Because as other anons said there was some political/diplomatic bodies that did'nt want to be the first to shoot or didn't want to shoot at all (pussies). But the situation was explosive anyway.

Thought I had wandered into /v/ by mistake and you were asking whose fault was the Wii

i think everyone needs a quick brush up on ww1

youtube.com/watch?v=S-wSL4WqUws&list=PL0PCtg4LBjMf61ghXFAsVv4z-plT_giCT

WW1 was everyone fault. They all wanted a war, and by god they got their war. There were some questionable actions in it, like invading Belgium (necessary from Germany perspective) and the Armenian Genocide). Italy were straight traitors though, got what they deserved along the Isonso.

>some serb nationalist boy shoots a high >ranking austrian official
That "boy" was part of a kill team to assassinate the "high ranking official", This target was the heir of the Habsburg throne and a man inordinarily interested in the future of Serbia. The kill team was send by an organisation commonly known as the "Black Hand", which was very influental in the Serbian state to the point of being the grey eminence, even being funded by a serbian Crown prince.

>They all wanted a war
Yeah but this isn't true. Neither France, Britain nor Serbia wanted that war, and by the end of 1914 neither did anyone else (except opportunistic shits like Romania and the Ottomans)