Challenge for Veeky Forums

Tell me how Germany could have won the Eastern Front

Hard mode: Tell me about how Germany could have won against the UK

Extra hard mode: Tell me about how Getmany could have won ww2

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They couldn't have

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Not getting into a fight in the first place.

>Send an army through Finland (Finnish troops and reserves) to free the siege at Leningrad and use it as a pincer against Moscow
>Then cut across the country down to Astrakhan and cut off the caucuses.
>Have Japan take Vladivostok
>Soviets sue for peace or get annexed
>With Russian weapons, arm the Ukrainians and have them take over the role of reserves
>Annex the caucuses (including northern caucuses) and set up puppet Ukrainian, Belorussian, Russian regimes

Why it would have worked: Logistics in the Soviet Union outside of Europe were not good enough to sustain their war machine, even if the US could theoretically produce enough to supply it. Cutting off their primary Asian port would almost entirely isolate them and would totally isolate them during the winter.

Win WWII

>Have Japan delay attacking the US
>Start building massive amounts of transport planes and newer fighters
>Promise Iran the Shia areas of the middle east to join the Axis
>Annex the British Raj with the help of Persia and local resistance (Promise Indian princes their own countries)
>Send resources to Japan so that they can finish the war against China
>Have Rommel roll across the middle east and North Africa to Gibraltar by way of the caucuses
>Promise Ireland North Ireland if they will attack/capture it, drawing forces away from England
>Paradrop soldiers into England and capture Britain
>If the US isn't in the war yet, invite belligerents to a peace conference on the grounds that it will be a just peace
>Hammer out a just peace (less the promises made)

>If the US is in the war, UK probably won't capitulate
>Capture Australia, Turkey, and the rest of Africa while increasing industrial capacity
>Surpass US's industrial and military capacity
>Armistice signed, peace conference takes place
>Annex the Caucuses, Turkish straits, Slovenia, German Parts of France, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands, old German colonies
>Move the Poles and Jews eastward into an area of Russia

without some sort of divine intervention, they couldn't have. any conditions germany could have had to win relied on outside factors that they had no control over such as the Japanese attacking the USA

>buh just tell them not to
japan was being choked out of needed resources by the US embargo, if they faffed around too long they would have had no oil to fuel their war machine and recently conquered empire, and thus their power projection would diminish to the point where it would be easy for the other nations to deal with them eventually. the japanese tried to go north but the USSR kicked them in the dick and sent them packing, and germany couldn't afford (nor were they able to) supply japan.

Counter challenge:

What is the latest point in WW2 that Germany could have come out ahead?

Could they have remained in tact post Battle of Britain?
Could they have sued for peace after 1941 and keep half of their gains in the USSR?

It would have to be a fundamentally different conflict.

I'd say 1941 since realistically the only chance they had was the Red Army collapsing (it didn't but there was a good chance it would've and there was really no other point were they could have won)

>Attack france and not poland
UK did not have a formal alliance with france, but france was allied to poland. If poland refused to go to war then its possible to never bring UK in until later, if at all.
>Support fascist movement in UK
Hitler could have spent his whole life turning the UK fascist before declaring war.
>Have italy remain neutral
this probably would have been difficult and and maybe even turned italy into an enemt, but in hindsight germany wasted a lot of time with italy and greece. They could have easily stayed neutral and sold resources and mercenaries like the swedes did.
>Not declare war on the united states
I know he hated the US but it might have been possible to turn them agaisnt the UK and there was no real gain for siding with the soviets other than attacking germany.

They couldn't

Communism will always win

communism has never been tried user

Not.

>Send an army through Finland (Finnish troops and reserves) to free the siege at Leningrad and use it as a pincer against Moscow
Germany wanted command of Finnish troops and Finland refused them, I doubt the Fins would send their armies to fight Moscow.

>Have Japan take Vladivostok
Japan had no intentions of a war with the USSR they could not win, no way Germany could have forced them to do so.

>With Russian weapons, arm the Ukrainians and have them take over the role of reserves
So arm the people you are planning to kill off?

>Annex the caucuses (including northern caucuses) and set up puppet Ukrainian, Belorussian, Russian regimes

So throw Lebensraum out the window entirely.

Your entire plan hinges on the NAZIs not being NAZIs.

>Have Japan delay attacking the US
Japan will not, they can not afford to keep their war machine going without the oil from the Dutch East Indies they also fear the US will intervene if they do so.

>Have Rommel roll across the middle east and North Africa to Gibraltar by way of the caucuses
You do realize Gibralter is in Iberia correct?

>Promise Ireland North Ireland if they will attack/capture it, drawing forces away from England
England offered to give Northern Ireland to Ireland to join the allies well the battle of france was going on, they said no then, they would not take it by force and risk a war that would destroy them.

>Paradrop soldiers into England and capture Britain
HoI strategies do not work in real life, Germany could not even maintain air dominance over Britain, how in the hell are they supposed to get paradrop planes over the isles?

>Capture Australia, Turkey, and the rest of Africa while increasing industrial capacity
How?

>Surpass US's industrial and military capacity
With bombed out factories and depleted manpower even impressive.

Bonus question, how do you deal with the nuclear bomb the US will drop on Berlin in 1945 if Germany has not capitulated by then?

only if they plan for a long war, with some advanced weaponry and the complete drop genocide so the population could be friendly

but even then its close and why even wage a war then, i mean liberation of SSRs is a noble thought but i doubt theyd do it

So for Germany to win the war we need to change a lot.

The biggest change is going to be not having the NAZIs in power, or have the NAZIs not be a bunch of racists that drive away the intelectuals from Germany, this will allow them to keep the nuclear scientists that actualy know what they are doing and not throw out the actual valid nuclear science in favor of crack pottery.

The Brits need to not get lucky in regards to the Magnetic mines and getting their hands on one to figure out how to counter them.

When Japan declares war on the United States Germany needs to not declare war on the US, and focus on the USSR and the Brits.

During Barbarossa Hitler needs to shut up and listen to Guderian so that Moscow will fall before winter.

Germany needs to not loose the enigma machine secrets.

Malta must fall, either by invasion or bombing into oblivion, Gibraltar needs to be cut off from Egypt.

Even with all these changes it is unlikely Germany could have won the war, but they may have been able to get a peace that allows them to continue existing, instead of being absolutely crushed.

Why are anime posters such stupid trash? every fucking time.

I believe Stalin sued for peace in late 1941. So yeah they could've come out on top.

Before the Anglo got involved. Britain + empire will always win in the long run through attrition

>how Germany could have won the Eastern Front
>how Getmany could have won ww2
you can't have the same thing appearing in 2 different modes

Yeah it's so annoying when people post anime on this anime/manga website like fuck OFF find your own place to post that

We took over loser, get over it

>we took over
Lmao

Should have sent Belgian cops.

Not this shit thread again

Focus more on taking Moscow as there is a lot of the bureaucracy their that can't be easily moved (would likely cripple their administration), they need the Moscow rail head, and the morale shock would be pretty bad. Also don't get in the way of army group center. Don't let Japan hit the United States so early, the Soviets were in a bad way and would've been far worse off if they didn't get the ratcheted up lend lease. The second part is kind of out there though.

Hard mode: Unless you can make a tunnel to the UK to circumvent their navy and air force there's no way you could invade. You could invest in better U-boats to make things hard for them but there really isn't really an end game here.

Extra hard: Not happening, the Allies have the resources to do far better in a war of attrition and unless you can somehow seize the UK you won't be able to stop the Allies from bombing you or sinking your U-boats. Even if you win the east it will still require immense resources to hold it. In the end the Allies will be far less merciful and most cities will eventually look like Dresden did, they will likely deploy a nuclear weapon in Germany. Germany never developed an interceptor they were confident in to counter the B-29 and due to the fact that this was a failure in design its likely more resources couldn't fix this problem. You can prolong the war, but you can't win it.