This is the ideal naval battle. You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like

>Also Russo-Japanese War is fairly irrelevant.
you know that europe was shocked about that war right?

Why were the Japanese always dogshit at naval battles?

RULE BRITANNIA, BRITANNIA RULE THE WAVES

Brits...always so humble.

No naval tradition

Better rule the waves when you can not rule the earth

most decisive naval battle
1.Battle of Stalingrad
2.Siege of Kars
3.Battle of Cynoscephalae
4.Battle of La Motta
7.7th Battle of the Isonzo
10.Battle of Corrales

>not taking an entire fleet with a group of hussars

They won Tsu Island.

Literally because they were facing the Americans. They did fine against anyone else.

Japan was doomed one way or another, though. Midway probably sped things up, but it didn't change the outcome of the war.

Poor Napoleon.
>that man made me miss my destiny
Guess it wasn't your destiny, then. Should have spent more time thinking about grand strategy and diplomacy, less time thinking about destiny.

Where's one from the Crimean war? One where the steam-powered, iron-clad, exploding shell-launching warship was a literally unstoppable juggernaut when it was facing prime Age of Sail ships of the line.

>you can not rule the earth

>Using mahanian naval theory in the age where air superiority > big guns

If it is not brillance to lead your demoralised, ready to retreat officers against the Japanese navy equaling 330 with thirteen of the surviving galleys from the previous battle which saw the almost entirety of the Korean navy decimated, than I do not know brillance elsewhere.

The commander was ready for deathbed from moths of torture and humiliation from his political enemies, fighting hand to hand as a mere private prelude to his battle.

He had to single handedly hold his flagship against the approaching warships that measured 130 times his own, because the other ships were too afraid to fight them. They successfully boarded, but was repulsed and wiped out.

It’s not the Admiral’s lack of brillance but your stubborness to admit the achievements of a world celebrated military figure.

>If it is not brillance to lead your demoralised, ready to retreat officers against the Japanese navy equaling 330 with thirteen of the surviving galleys from the previous battle which saw the almost entirety of the Korean navy decimated, than I do not know brillance elsewhere.
Retard. It's not "brilliance" because the Korean ships had cannon, and the Japanese did not. I bet you have no idea who Duarte Pacheco Pereira is, but he took longer odds than Sun-Shin did at Myeongnyang, that is, if you're a retard and take numbers into account but nothing else.

Every single one of Sun-Shin's "Amazing victories" is the exact same thing. He finds a stretch of water where the local currents are moving in the direction that the japanese fleet is, and he shells a bunch of converted fishing and merchant boats that have no ability to retaliate in kind. He never once fought a fleet that was his equal in technology, training, or doctrine. There are MUCH better admirals in history.

Except for India, the Brits were ruling over literal cave men.

Still can't understand why Japs never got colonized. The Dutch arrived there when nips were still stuck in the middle ages and no one ever bothered to like conquer them and shit. Was there absolutely nothing of value in Japan?

None of the Far East countries "got colonized," not even Korea.

Battle of Midway and the Battle of Leyte Gulf are the largest and greatest naval engagements in human history period, so I would also say no to Tsushima and Jutland.

>Retard. It's not "brilliance" because the Korean ships had cannon, and the Japanese did not. I bet you have no idea who Duarte Pacheco Pereira is, but he took longer odds than Sun-Shin did at Myeongnyang, that is, if you're a retard and take numbers into account but nothing else.

The Japanese did not have cannons? They had towering flag ships equipped with large bombardments on top reinforced by super structures and bowed bellies. The Japanese soldiers, who did indeed board Yi Soon Shin’s flag ship were equipped with Portuguese arquebuses and plate cuirlasses, in direct contrast to the Joseon Marine, which only had steel hats and paper armour. I don’t know who Duarte Pacheco is simply because he is rated only in Portuguese history. It only seems like you are trifled by Yi Soon Shins famed legacy in contrast to your almost forgotten general.

>Every single one of Sun-Shin's "Amazing victories" is the exact same thing. He finds a stretch of water where the local currents are moving in the direction that the japanese fleet is, and he shells a bunch of converted fishing and merchantboats that have no ability to retaliate in kind. He never once fought a fleet that was his equal in technology, training, or doctrine. There are MUCH better admirals in history.

Again, you’ve only repeated a small excerpt from Myeongnyang alone. If you had done more research, you’d know that his battles were comprised of coastal
fightings where the Japanese advanced and even broke korean lines at times. The Japanese commanders were legends of their own, such as Wakizaka, Konishi Yukinaga, Kurushima Michifusa, Daimyos and veteran officers alike.

>converted fishing and merchant boats

Its like you know nothing of Asian armaments at all. If Japanese boats were mere fishing and merchant boats, then how did they defeat the Koreans at the Battle of Chilcheollyang? How did Chen Lin, a Ming Chinese commander almost succumb to their “fishing boats” until Yi Sun Shin was able to pull the enemy off his back? Japanese Tekkosens had 48-70 cannons that weighted 500lbs at the sides with 3, 1000lb cannons at the front and back. They were iron plated as well. Atakebunes were the mainstead of Japapanese spearhead ships and carried 3 cannons with 80 arquebuses. As related above, these ships were able to enter the Korean firing range and went into fierce close range combat aided by their smaller, but even faster sekibunes, which had hooks to latch onto Korean ships. And many times they did.

Japs were introduced volley fire, arquebuses and European cuirlasses. They then developed waterproof covering for firearms, prepackaged casings and pike warfare. The Japanese warriors were also veterans that transitioned into a professional army.

What value would the Dutch gain at all from invading Japan? The Portuguese were basically banned after apparent unequal cheats at trade prices. They were also kicked off Formosa by a swarm of Chinese heavy infantry. Japan had a surprisingly blooming gold and celadon industry, although not as much as China or Korea.

that doesn't mean it's relevant
it just made Europeans wake up and realize there not actually superior to anything

Was pretty far away to maintain a colony m8.
Sure the Dutch got stuck into the spice islands and the Spaniards where keen on the Philippines, but that was still basically the end of the world

Korea got colonized by Japan

Jutland is the perfect example of a battle which despite not having a decisive tactical outcome (or even a minor tactical defeat for one side), was decisive strategically, as it kept the blockade on germany in place. The British didn't have to defeat the Germans to win, they just had to not lose badly.

Of course, the fact that the *nglos were so bad as to manage to suffer a marginal tactical defeat to enemies they outnumbered to that degree is another topic but anyway

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That's not strictly speaking true. The british vanguard of battlecruisers was decimated by German gunnery.

However, the main British force crossed the T of the main German force TWICE, who only got away because of the fog. If not for this they wouldve been decimated.

This is something like an army winning the flank skirmish only to end up totally out of position anyways and have to hurriedly retreat or face annihilation

wait... that doesn't make any sense.

The british battlecruisers had less armor because it was thought that "speed will be their armor". It was superb german gunnery.

That was fucking nothing
>battle of babbyway
Barely anyone even fucking died. It wasn't scary, it wasn't that imporatant (the war wasn't going to change because of it, maybe just speed up a bit) and it was fucking boring.

You want true hell?
See pic related.

>1 soup kettle (And presumably all the soup held within)

THE DUTCH MUST BE STOPPED

Honestly, I think the trick to Jutland is that Beatty was total a retard. He had 2 options for destroying the German battlecruisers without losses (bringing the fast battleships with him or engaging beyond the German's range) but instead he walked right into their range and got btfo

>Jutland is the perfect example of a battle which despite not having a decisive tactical outcome (or even a minor tactical defeat for one side), was decisive strategically, as it kept the blockade on germany in place.
Except it didn't.

>The British didn't have to defeat the Germans to win, they just had to not lose badly.
That isn't true either. The German fleet doesn't have the opertaional range to project power deep into the Atlantic, and they don't have friendly ports they can re-coal in. If every British dreadnought and battlecruiser magically disappears at the start of the war for 0 German losses, they STILL wouldn't be able to break the blockade.

Not colonized, turned into a puppet state. Then it was stripeed of its political powers and reinstated as a police state run by a provisional governor.

But I guess it falls to semantics.

>Midway not important
Yes because crippling or sinking a large majority of your enemies force projection for the largest ocean in the world in a matter of hours isn't important at all.

t. Takeshi

That's not Trafalgar

>Jutland
>Barely effected the war

well, you can say that it affected the war by not affecting the blockade of Krauts by the British navy

Wtf are you talking about?

If the Grand Fleet is destroyed, Germany invades Britain.

This isn't rocket surgery

Yes, just like how because when the Ottoman fleet wasn't able to present a challenge to even pre-dreadnoughts, the British easily invaded Turkey and just rolled on up.

Amphibious invasions are *hard*. Doubly so in an era when most of your firepower and tactical set is coming from your artillery, which are too heavy to put on shallow landing craft that you'll be using since your opponent probably isn't stupid enough to obligingly leave a port open so that you can freely disembark. Germany doesn't have a million or so spare men for such a project anyway, nor do they have the sealift to sustain them even if they did somehow get a sizeable force across the North Sea.

Which is academic anyway, since my earlier post was talking about the blockade. But nice goalpost shifting.

How humble would you be when you'd just won the greatest naval battle in history, against a fleet almost twice your size, in such a devastating manner that you have complete naval dominance of the entire world for the next century?

This. Japan started playing the colonization game hard. That's why they were the size they were at the start of WWII.