What if Germany won WW1?

>Schlieffen plan works because Belgium actually helps Germany in this time line
Paris falls pretty fast - but this results in a few decades of guerrilla warfare. France eventually calms down to be a province of Greater Germany.
>Russia never goes communist
After the fall of France Germany uses its massive force to creep into a broken Russian state. There is no incentive to free the revolutionaries in this time line so communism never takes off. Petrograd falls and Moscow is the new capitol - With how messy the eastern front is by late 1917 Russia agrees to a crippling armistice with Germany. The Tsar stays in power but in this time line there is a military coup in the late 20s establishing a military dictatorship that is actually pro-German.
>post ww1 Germany flourishes in this time line
The Nazis never rise - there is a strong economy with the Kaiser. They remain militaristic, and over the next few decades the Germans slowly take over the middle east and parts of Africa - the Germans now have technology and oil that make them a powerhouse for at least the next 50 years.
>America stays isolated for the most part... no incentive to be the "worlds cop" since Germany is doing fine at it.
Also
>WW2 as we know it never happens - unless it happens much later. And is just a short conflict with Japan.

How is the world not better off with Germany winning WW1?

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>more germans

NOOOOOO

what is the world of kiaserreich but with less global socialism, less liberal republics, more autocrats.

>France eventually calms down to be a province of Greater Germany.

NEIN, NEIN, DAS VATERLAND MUSS GRÖßER SEIN

pls, besides some autistic annexation fanfics from overly enthusiasthic academics (pic related is even labbled "dreamconstruct" by the author who is some irrelevant "who?") the actual plans as entertained by the ohl never-even at their height when fringegroups got more cover as the war got ever more costly-considered to sponge up france in some way as it happened in ww2.

What they would have tried to take would have been the colonies overseas creating a gargantuan unified african state, the iron ore rich region around briey while installing a rather harsh economic treaty to make france dependent, also annexing louxenbourgh and a few parts of belgium.

Britain was always going to intervene against Germany. There was no other way. Germany ALWAYS loses First World War.

Paradise

I don't think your scenario is realistic, though.

If Germany won on the Western Front, it would have annexed some more resource rich areas near Alsace-Lorraine, maybe Luxembourg too, and turned Belgium into a puppet state. France would have had to pay massive amounts to Germany and it would be made sure they couldn't fight Germany again.

Russia would probably be defeated, then, like IRL, especially considering the Tsar was already overthrown before Lenin went to Russia.
Germany and Austria would then annex some parts of Eastern Europe, the rest of the non-Russian states would become dependent on Germany or outright puppet states.

There's no way Britain could be defeated properly, the worst that could happen to them is the loss of all their expeditionary force in Europe. I doubt Britain could be forced to give up any overseas territory due to Germany's inability to seriously challenge the Royal Navy.
Maybe Germany would get some of France's colonies.

Germany would be the undeniable hegemon in Europe, but Britain would still be the premier naval power.
With a new European war being very unlikely now and the UK and Germany unable to really attack each other, I believe the world would be held firmly by Germany and Britain, the only exception being the Americas.
Decolonization against the will of Germany and Britain would probably be impossible for a long time due to the power of both empires.
If the US wanted to expand its influence, it would have to turn to South America (and maybe China).

The French army was close to collapsing, had the soldiers been ignored or had simply quit the field instead of just threatening Germany could have beaten France.

>"Everything will work for us if the people we invade just roll over and help us"
Wow German diplomacy sure is beautiful

Massive ethnic cleansing in Eastern Europe combined with economical exploitation.Eventually Slavs turn to Pan-Slavic national bolshevism and insurgency/resistance starts supported by foreign powers.
Eventually Germans attack resurgent Russia, WW2 starts, Poles, Czechs rise agains Germans. In the end Germany loses, Pan-Slavic Union has eastern Germany, removes Germans and reintroduces Slavs there.

No Nazis or Hitler. The monarch would have been much more unkind to those socialist swine

Even if an armistice is struck between Allies and Central powers, with Central powers as victor in western front, there are still things unaccounted for like the impending breakdown of Austria and Ottomans. There is simply no way for these two empires to survive long term. Germany could become the continental hegemon, and especially forge a Mitteleuropa, but there is no way in hell it can influence eastern europe.

The best the could do is keep Alsace, annex Belgium, Luxemburg and do the Anschluss with Austria and some German towns in northern Bohemia. Inevitably it would take astounding diplomacy for the German empire to keep this, plus the east indie and african colonies, as eventually a pissed of Britain, France,Russia, Greece, Serbia and Japan would definitely want a round 2 like nazi germany did irl, these countries would most certainly drag in the US in keeping Germany becoming too powerful.

EVERY MAN A KING

French army was never close to collapsing.

Why should A-H collapse if Germany won a quick victory in the West?
Germany and Austria would easily be able to hold back and even defeat Russia, not even talking about Serbia, Romania or Italy.
>as eventually a pissed of Britain, France,Russia, Greece, Serbia and Japan
Wouldn't matter if Greece and Serbia would be pissed
Japan would have no reason to be pissed, they were just opportunists in WW1
France and Russia would be so weakened from the war they wouldn't be able to start another one
Britain wouldn't be able to attack Germany on the continent, at best they'd take some colonies

What happens to the Berlin-Baghdad Railway in your scenario? Is the Ottoman Empire also still intact?

>Massive ethnic cleansing in Eastern Europe
why, they were chauvinists but didnt cleanse anyone before.

>post-1871
>blue guy's rifle still using caplock mechanism
And it doesn't seem ceremonial. Who the fuck drew this shit

Y would imperial Germany do ethnic cleansing

That's father & son iirc. Father probably didn't serve anymore, hence the old uniform & rifle.
Also this isn't drawn, it's a colorized photograph. Only the background is painted.

That makes sense I guess, also I was pretty off about it not being ceremonial considering the swords and stuff. They both look the same age and it threw me off.

Do you have the original?

>Polish wet drwams

The Prussians settled Germans in Poland and pushed for Germanization of the area.
Some 30,000 Jews and Poles who didn't have German citizenship were expelled during the time of the Empire.
The user's claim that there would be massive ethnic cleansings obviously doesn't make sense, there were sizable foreign minorities in the Empire that were largely left alone during the 50 years of its existence.
No I don't, unfortunately.

I mostly agree, but never underestimate kraut autism

>Germany wins a two front war while it's an empire held together by bubble gum and Bismarck's dreams
>Somehow loses to a Russian rump state

Cool that you agree with me. Also good to hear that unnecessary insult, I almost forgot I was on Veeky Forums.

>Why should A-H collapse if Germany won a quick victory in the West?

Because that was never going to happen even if Germans take over Belgium, The Schlieffen plan was entirely unrealistic concerning how long the war would last, there were too many variables to count in order to calculate that, plus overextension of lines and the trench warfare that happened as it did in reality made the schlieffen plan's prediction of a quick victory as idealistic folly. I am not saying Central powers could not win, but a quick war is out of the question in a total war scenario.

Also in a victory scenario for Central powers the eastern front does not matter that much as the offensive capabilities of the Entente there were very limited. The problem is how do you maintain Austria-Hungary without reforming and breaking up or Ottoman Empire from breaking down by the combination of the Armenian question and Young Turks. These two empires no matter the political will or repression put, were impossible to maintain, especially in Austria-Hungary were the Hungarians will eventually split from the dual monarchy and the Slavs revolting in Asturian lands even harder. Keep in mind Russia does not play a big role in this, as even our timeline they were out of European affairs by 1917.

>France and Russia would be so weakened from the war they wouldn't be able to start another one

lol thats what they said about interwar Germany. As I said in my previous post the best the Germans can do is have an impeccable diplomacy and try to keep what they already have, further expansion is out of the question or US gets dragged in round 2, Russia bolshevik or not would want Ukraine and baltics back, no matter the cost. Britain will join in because they can just blockade and torpedo German harbours while Japan would want e.indies. French revanchism would increase and they would possibly go communist or fascist along with Russia.

Not him, but the battle of the Marne was the closest Germany was to a swift victory. The early stages of WW1 were in fact highly mobile, and Germany understood that Britain would join most likely sooner than later; therefore, they chose to cross trough Belgium right away. The French lost close to the same amount the Germans lost in the early months in this single battle(1/4 of a million). Afterwards they started trenching.

>France eventually calms down to be a province of Greater Germany.
Wait, what?

>we'll never live in this timeline
>OTL will forever be shit

they actually did mutinied

Germany already planned to ethnically cleanse 2 million Poles.
German chancellors were interested in the war to cleanse Polish population since 1880s

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Border_Strip

>France eventually calms down to be a province of Greater Germany.
that makes no sense

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernhard_von_Bülow

In Russia, he acted as chargé d'affaires in 1887 advocating ethnic cleansing of Poles from Polish territories of the German Empire in a future armed conflict.

>>Somehow loses to a Russian rump state
That "rump state" would still be bigger in population than Germany and would have more resources than Mittleleuropa.
It would be proped up by France, USA and any other opponent of Germany.
Meanwhile Germans would have to deal with insurgency in Eastern Europe, Balkans and collapse of Austro-Hungary.

So in other words, everything would totally work out for the best if one group did whatever they wanted and everyone else just went along with it?

Neat hypo.

So why didn't Imperial Germany do anything what these proposals suggest during the occupation of Poland in WW1 or during the 50 years of Polish territories in the German Empire?

Don't respond to poleposters.

>what are rugi Pruskie
>what is pogrom of Kalisz
>what are deportations of 400,000 Polish slave workers in WW1

We did win, but america fucked us over. Basically.
Versaille treaty was largely unfair and the germans were the scapegoat for everything.
Lead to the frustration and anger that lead to the rise of the natsoc movement and inevitably to ww2.

Dont poke the efficent autists with a stick is the lesson we should learn.

spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-43161092.html

spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-43161092.html

fuck, thats actually depressing to look up.
I take back then. It seems that most of those annexationplans were purposefully veiled though from the german public though as most sources I hard read to this day painted the pan-german league as a fanatic fringegroup that had discredited itself in front of the public.

"The German annexation and resettlement plans in Poland ... are so fatal that most German authors did not consider the government of the Imperial Germany to be capable of such a thought.

Although 1914 there were in the German public opinion from right to left enough fanatical expansionists, who wanted Flanders or the whole of Belgium to be annexed; the German government, however, knew how to successfully demonstrate that such an unfine appetite of their country would lie far away from them, especially since Germany was waging a purely defensive battle. Also, Bethmann Hollweg's could be joyous to hold a reputation, as a bureaucratic-anxious, but in any case honourful statesman and declared opponent of any annexation.

Geiss seems to be a legit historian and had to dig into formerly secret archives to get that info. eh shit, there goes my booism, Weimar was alright I guess.

>Dont poke
maybe the french plan of forced balkanisation would have been better then, which is more like smashing.

>We did win

against european forces we did. thats what i tried to say.

The lesson we should learn is that Germans will always blame others and bitch about how unfair the world is with them.

>Dont poke the efficent autists with a stick is the lesson we should learn.
Said the autist who lost 1/3 of the country to Slavs

>>what are rugi Pruskie
Deportations of 30,000 Poles without German citizenship from the German Empire to Austria and Russia (where they had citizenship). This lasted 5 years and was perfectly legal. Also don't you think Germany would have deported some more of the millions of Poles back then if they wanted?
>The county-wide expulsion was condemned by the Polish public as well as the federal German parliament.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_deportations
>>what is pogrom of Kalisz
A warcrime for which a single unit or their commander was responsible. Not carried out on order of any German institution.
>>what are deportations of 400,000 Polish slave workers in WW1
Brutal but necessary ways of supporting German war industry, the same thing was done with Belgians and Frenchmen in the occupied territories.

>THE 5000 AMERICAN SOLDIERS IN CHAMPAGNE WERE THE REASON GERMANY LOST THE WAR STUPID ANGLOS WON'T FIGHT FAAAIIIRRRR BOOHOO HOO HOO

This is not history

>Muh Austria collapse!

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>Belgium actually helps Germany in this time line
>France eventually calms down to be a province of Greater Germany
Wow you mean things would go well for Germany in an unfeasible hypothetical timeline where everyone just lets Germany do what it wants

>Germany
>Constantly going through hard times and weak men
Nazis were their only hope.

Mitteleuropa called for mass displacement, resettlement, and, eventually, extermination of the native peoples. As happened in the New World, on a more massive scale. This was not an idea invented by politicians but by the same thoughtful pens that influenced Adolf Hitler's mind thirty years later. The fact that the two plans are eerily similar despite different functioning bodies at the head merely attest to their shared heritage. They both descend from the German Nationalist intellectual community of the late 1800s. They both spawn from the same idea that Germany deserved - nay, was destined to rule Europe in the same way America ruled the other side of the ocean. A German speaking 'America' that called for the extinction of the west slavs, Germany's "Indians", to furnish its amber waves of grain. The difference lay in execution. Imperial Germany's interpretation lay in the velvet-fisted notions of antiquity. The colonized peoples were to be 'treated with respect' as they were gradually replaced, notions of how the Teutonic Order regarded the Old Prussians a thousand years prior influencing their rhetoric. Nazi Germany's interpretation lay in the cold irons of pure modernity and efficiency on an industrial scale.

They, and by extension their entire nation even beyond the borders of the German state, paid the ultimate price for this mad desire.

Forced revisionism worse than 'Nam

Why do the Sorbs still live in Saxony today if destruction and displacement of slavs was the plan all along?

>Schlieffen plan works because Belgium actually helps Germany in this time line
UK would still invade, they couldn't let a hegemony happen

Everyone has to always bring this up, but really it's overblown in how it's depicted. Some of the armies did refrain from attacking when ordered to, but very little actually walked out from the front, and surrendered their posts. And anyways, German intelligence wasn't able to reap anything from it since they only discovered the mutinies in France when they were being shut down by Pétain.

And two small months after those mutinies, the french army was back to scoring victories like at Verdun in 1917 and Malmaison.

BBBAAAHAHAHA

you were starving by 1917

>poland
>>/x/

Handwaved as a German tribe that happened to speak a slavic language. Too small and too irrelevant to give a shit about as a population. Expect a similar fate to befall the shrinking Slav communities.

>Schlieffen plan works because Belgium actually helps Germany in this time line

There is no logical reason why Belgium would do this.

>France eventually calms down to be a province of Greater Germany.

There is no logical reason why France would do this. It doesn't even make sense for Germany to try to annex all of France. At most, they would annex a few of the most juicy mineral-rich areas of France and then force the rest of France to pay reparations for the war. Luxembourgh would be annexed and Belgium would be given a German-controlled puppet government.

>The Tsar stays in power but in this time line there is a military coup in the late 20s establishing a military dictatorship that is actually pro-German.

Why would the Russian military be pro-German? This makes absolutely no sense.