Which haplogroup achieved the most?

Laz-tier post, my jealous N1c friend.

Hard to cope with the studies? I know that you're all bunch of /int/ards, but try to keep up.

>The genetic basis of a number of physical features of the Yamnaya people were ascertained by the ancient DNA study conducted by Haak et al. (2015), Wilde et al. (2014), Mathieson et al. (2015): they were genetically tall (phenotypic height is determined by both genetics and environmental factors), overwhelmingly dark-eyed (brown), dark-haired and had a skin colour that was moderately light, though somewhat darker than that of the average modern European.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamna_culture

m.pnas.org/content/111/13/4832

Oh so you're the Iranian wewuzzer then who thinks that R1b and Indo-European languages were brought to Europe by Arabs from Iran.

That's even worse.

>that pointless projection of a loser again
Like I said, try to keep up. Yamna were obviously dark and swarthy.

So are modern Pontids from Ukraine.

Yeah and? Ukrainians are mixed as hell.

God you faggots are autistic

Yamna were late PIE though, the earlier ones prior to mixing with Georgian women were blonde and blue eyed.

That's a Russian Neo-Nazi meme.
Ukrainians have only 2% Mongoloid admixture.

no

>but we wuz white n shit
Who cares? Late or not, mixing or not, they were dark.
No one said anything about mongoloids. You act as if that's the only factor.

>the earlier ones prior to mixing with Georgian women

So you admit that "Yamna admixture" is BS

Yes, they were pure EHG prior to that.

R1a carriers probably never were, Yamna didn't have it at all.

The two Khvalynsk samples with high EHG are from only a century before the beginning of Yamna in 4000 BC.
Early Yamna were thus heavily EHG while late Yamna were EHG+CHG like Corded Ware.

Who are they mixed with then?

What do you mean

They were ANE mixed with Farmers

Oh kek.

So you're saying they came from Lake Baikal or some shit and killed off the native EHG before mixing with farmers?

That's a pretty wild theory you got there.

>talking about pre-Yamnaya IEs
>posts image where only Yamnaya is shown
>theory is wrong anyway since pure ANE never existed in Europe
>doesn't realise that it's an accepted fact that Yamnaya were EHG+CHG
?

>Who are they mixed with then?
not him but i reccomend this wiki page
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ukraine

>talking about pre-Yamnaya IEs
"Yamna were late PIE"
you're not talking about them at all

>theory is wrong anyway since pure ANE never existed in Europe
implying R1b originates in Europe

>doesn't realise that it's an accepted fact that Yamnaya were EHG+CHG
after mixing with the natives there

Is there any sort of genetic evidence that Ukrainians have this mysterious admixture which makes them Pontid like Yamna?

Good post, brother

R1bulls obviously

idk, maybe the fact that they came from ukraine and like i don't know, maybe some stayed there? jesus

>gets replaced by Arabs and Blacks

>Poles
>Not being replaced

>it's the "cuckold frenchie" episode
Who cares about slavshits.

>tfw R1a1a1b1a3b (Old Scandinavia)

>the Chads are literally genetically different
Fugg

>Finns
>Not being replaced
Your country is importing thousands of Somalians

>cuckold frenchie
You're the one promoting AMWM not me

>AMWM

AMWF*

Once again nice projection you go there. I'm neither and you're deluded if you think that Western Europeans don't get replaced by Arabs and Blacks more and more with each year.

These threads are always a clusterfuck because of no flags. Might as well have them on /int/ for that reason.

It's a clusterfuck because you're all insecure and obsessed with some retarded theories that you made up deep inside your immature skulls. It's pretty clear for anyone lurking those threads, you can't have civil discussion here because you all act childish, lashing out like monkeys.

You're either the Finn or the Pole

>if you think that Western Europeans don't get replaced

There are Arabs in Poland , French are being replaced it's true, but you are too

So A for engendering the entire human race with A-dam.

There's other characters on Veeky Forums too you know.

There's a Bulgarian who identifies as native Balkan and loves cuckold porn with black males and white females for example. He's very active in the /balk/ general on /int/ but I've seen him on Veeky Forums too a few times.

He hates all the bright toned people.

Why are you always ranting about polacks when you have no rebuttal? It's something I've noticed when lurking those threads.

How did haplogroup I1 go from the brink of extinction to being one of the major paternal markers in Europe?

Viking rape babies.

It started spreading about 3000 years before the Viking age

This one individual was most likely adopted by R1a, R1b and l2. He had many sons and so it went. l1 is the main Germanic paternal line.

A little correction for me. l1 and l2 seem like dominant Germanic haplogroups.

Thuringians in particular seem very interesting, they claimed to be the sons of Thor.

They probably just managed to dodge both Germanic and Slavic admixture and stayed more like the ancestors of the Rathlin from Germany.

Isn't it obvious?

Q-haplogroup.

Too bad all the relevant parts of the Americas are R1b-dominant now

They expanded over empty land.

What about the theory that it's from Atlantis?

Daily reminder.

1/3 of the cancer in these threads

>A whole continent
>superior development rate
>orogenic paradise
>yet cataclysmic harsh cradles of civilization
>chinese-like aesthetic mythology
Supreme.

You mean any threads that revolves around genetics. You can bet your ass that this autist will be shitting up threads.

Fuck off incatard

He wouldn't shit them up that much if his Polish friend never replied to him but instead they have long autistic cuckoffs with meme images about immigration. It takes two.

I2a1 the Nuragic bull haplogroup

Also
>first on using indigo colour dye in textils

Samefag pls

You're the one that is shitting up gen-related threads

You trashed the last thread by attacking the Australian guy, then the Finnish guy, and you also attacked me in the process

You're an autist that can't argue without posting your cuck Black Man White Woman-fantasy proof there :

Take off your paranoia goggles retard. Only two posts are mine the first one anda reply to the guy who replied to me.

Everyone is sick of your shit, fuck off.

I don't think he was referring to you

The Pepeposter is Australian I'm pretty sure.

>not being able to tell who people are based on their writing style and formatting 9/10 times
Literally autism

>Take off your paranoia goggles retard

Another proof that you cannot argue without chimping out

Take your meds, lad

>Everyone is sick of your shit, fuck off.
>your multiple personality

Pick one

Or just their agenda

>Australian

Pro-R1b Pepeposter.

>Frenchfag

Pannonian R1b-J2bulls from Troy etc

>FAS-Pole

Corded Ware women gave R1b North-West Europeans their abundant steppe admixture because somehow this is a glorious thing for Poles in his strange mind.
Always wants to talk about other posters identity and never anything relevant to the discussion.

>R1a Finn

Yamna were "swarthoids" from the southern end of the steppe who were mixed with Circassians.
R1a were blonde haired blue eyed people from the northern steppe.

>shitposts about polacks 24/7
>thinks everyone is a pole
lmao

>The Australian post
>The Pole start talking about R1a superiority
>I post
>The Pole start talking about R1a superiority

I'm saying that everytime R1b is mentioned, he chimp out

You have obsession and PTSD. No one spoke about R1a anywhere in here. Just the obvious fact that Yamna were swarthy.

>Corded Ware women
No such thing. Now you're making shit up.

>no girls allowed

I'm making nothing up.

I've seen him state multiple times that all steppe admixture in Europe is from Corded Ware.

Example I've never heard him say R1b-M269 is also Corded Ware or anything which could explain his opinion in a reasonable way.

Since North-West Europeans pack a lot of steppe admixture but very little R1a(especially R1a which isn't of Viking origin) the only logical option is that R1b-M269 males interbred with Corded Ware women.

In my opinion, the pro-Corded Ware thing to believe would be that R1b-M269 originates in a separate migration from the steppe which isn't linked to Corded Ware women any more than Corded Ware men. I also feel like this is more consistent with the facts.

Y-DNA is paternal.

Also, about the "FAS" issue. FAS is as common in the west as it is in the east.
sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/01/170113155419.htm

So that's not really any argument, just simple unexplained hatred Like I said here. The French guy is always chimping out about Poles, yet he has no proof that there are any Poles in here at all. Certainly no proof that I'm one of them.

Those threads would be a lot better if people didn't resort to adhominems and obvious autism, but we can't have it, can we? Losing argument - use adhominem. There you have it. The maturity of Veeky Forums.
Survive the Jive is obviously biased towards Germanics, Balts and Slavs. He doesn't deny it in any way. He also sees Germanics as more of a Corded Ware thing rather than R1b Yamnas.

>Y-DNA is paternal.
Well yeah, but he obviously meant women who were genetically Corded Ware and part of the Corded Ware cultural region, not "R1a women".

Those women were taken from pre-IE folk. Only some were taken along from the steppe. Women are irrelevant.

Scandinavia, Germany and the Netherlands were obviously dominated by R1a during the Corded Ware period, but over time shifted towards an R1b majority except for Sweden and Norway where they're in roughly even proportions. Is this not alone evidence that R1b populations "interbred with Corded Ware women"? I'm guessing the reason why R1a folk are against it is because it implying some kind of domination/cuckolding scenario, but you can simply see it as generic mixing between two population groups rather than sexualising it.

That's not the point. You know what he was getting at.

Also, to add more. Even if what you claim cuck polack said about steppe in the west, that would only mean that Westeners got sloppy seconds from Easterners lmao. Which makes you even more cucked.

But as you may fucking know or not, people didn't divide themselves according to haplogroups because they couldn't have a fucking idea that they were R1a or R1b, you dumb fags.

>that would only mean that Westeners got sloppy seconds from Easterners lmao. Which makes you even more cucked.
Stop sexualising everything, faggot.

Regardless of how relevant women are, men generally don't give them up without a fight.

Regardless of what the FAS kid thinks it's actually 100% Anti-Polish and 100% Anti-Corded Ware to believe that R1a males got destroyed in battle and lost their women who were loaded with steppe admixture to R1b males who lacked it.

Of course the reality doesn't depend on whether something is convenient or not, but every Pole should be at least hoping that R1b-M269 expanded from the steppe in a seperate migration just so their Corded Ware ancestors retain some glory.

Of course I'm not a Slav myself and I can't imagine how they think.

You started it with your faggot theory about "R1a women". I'm just baiting back.
Autism: the post.

>You started it with your faggot theory about "R1a women".
I'm not him

Here we go with more autism and delusion. Find me a quote where I said that R1b is CWC.

>R1b-M269 is also Corded Ware

R1b is Bell Beaker but unrelated to CW (Olalde 2017)

FTFM

It's not something I believe in myself but Corded Ware is older than BB and it would provide at least a rational solution to the NW European problem without cuckoldizing Corded Ware.

Urnfield is a rational solution. They were both R1b and R1a.

Urnfield isn't old enough.
The R1b Bell Beaker(Food Vessel) from Ireland is older and has slightly higher steppe admixture than modern Irish.

So what's your theory?

I was agreeing with you not attacking you

I think that Gimbutas first wave of Kurganization(3800 BC) into Northern Balkans is the source of R1b-L151, which is closely related to the Z2103 lines found among later Yamna but not derived from them.

The ancient Greeks set the foundations for western civilization.