Why would they bother rebuilding a concentration camp when they aren’t even going to do it accurately...

Yes things that were built can be taken down. If it was re-built from original parts then maybe they just erected a new one once they change the pattern of admitting prisoners.

jewishvirtuallibrary.org/crematoria-and-gas-chambers-at-auschwitz-birkenau

I was right.

Yeah I’m sure they tore down a brick chimney and used all the bricks to build a new one

Tell me more

>JewishVirtualLibrary

>"The crematorium itself was in operation until the end of July 1943. Its capacity was not sufficient to after replacement. After the resulting construction documents for the expansion of the main camp in June 1941 and February 1942, it planned to build a new larger crematorium in Auschwitz I. But the order dated October 1941 for five three-muffle ovens at the company JA Topf and Sons was canceled in February 1942; the furnaces were needed for Crematorium II at Auschwitz-Birkenau."

And?

Source? Is this from Anne Frank’s Diary?

o say, can you see!

>Anne Frank's Diary

You must be from far away. It's a required reading for American children who never learn about any actually important primary literature.

Anyone has that document from Auschwitz architect? It's posted in those threads from time to time. You know the one.

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It's funny because you can see the metal pylons that used to sustain the chimney in the black-and-white pic. The French caption below also mentions it was converted into a bunker.

The French caption reads:
>West corner of Crematory I in 1945, without chimney, in its "air protection bunker" state. The windows of the depository are filled. The central door provides access to the first chamber of the bunker, the second side door leads to the storage of pharmaceutical products.

>Stormfags post pictures they can't understand
>Stormfags don't bother to translate the captions that prove them wrong

Please neck yourself.

Do you mean this one?

nizkor.org/hweb/camps/auschwitz/crematoria/bischoff-vergasungskeller-memo.html

>A caption must mean it’s true

Looks like it. Documents like this. Together with journals and photos they are primary sources. Without debunking them Holocaust deniers will forever remain just flat earthers of history.

But I suspect it's only a political thing that doesn't concern him. Because if their goal is to clean Germany's name then I'm afraid that would be much more work than just debunking concentration camps.

>a chamber that contains windows

You can’t make this shit up

Studing history it is advisable keep your political beliefs in check. Also no evidence or proper citation means that claim can be dismissed.

And doors. Can't make this shit up. A building with doors.

The picture shows the Crematorium I.

The room identified as the "gas chamber", named in this memo as the Vergasungskeller ("gassing basement"), is located underground, and it's not shown on the picture.

From my experience most of them are fanatical and not interested in the facts, rather they are interested in distorting them to suit a political agenda. The average stormtard position is "Hitler didn't gas Jews but they deserved it", so it's difficult to argue with someone holding such fanatical views anyway. Their entire worldview is built around supporting far-right extremism because they've already invested so much of their personalities into it, emotionally, that there is no turning back in their minds. They've made the ideology part of their identities. It's very similar to how religious cults operate, or Stalinism in the other extreme of the ideological spectrum.

Imagine marching as a pepemaga in some far-right rally or telling your parents you support Hitler. That's a very high investment in terms of social standing. Once you've done that I imagine it would be very hard to back down or realize you were mistaken, so they double down.

You posted it buddy. Why do you post information you think is wrong?

Here is the image

>a gas chamber with windows

Lol

The only gas chamber with windows was the Leichenskeller I which originally functioned as a morgue. The initial operations were carried out there with the windows covered in dirt.

Most of the victims died in the Bunkers I and II, which had their windows walled up.

>A farmhouse belonging to one of the evacuated inhabitants of Birkenau, which Adolf Eichmann had identified during his first visit to Auschwitz, had its windows walled up, its doors strengthened and sealed by screwing them in place, and shafts drilled in the walls.

>Due to the increased number of Jewish transports to Auschwitz another farmhouse was converted, west of the later site of Crematoriums IV and V and is designated Bunker Number 2 or the White House. Next to it three barracks are built to serve as undressing rooms for people condemned to death.

>This chamber contained four compartments in which it was possible to gas 1,200 people at a time. It was this chamber, which was used to show Himmler the whole gassing procedure, in July 1942.

>tourist

Good goy. Come visit us and give us your shekels

Shadilay brother.

Also, it's very similar to how Herbalife type scams operate. They take you to a seminar, sell you a bunch of Herbalife products and convince you to tell all your friends and family about it.

When your investment fails and you can't manage to recruit anyone or sell any products you refuse to believe you've been scammed out of thousands of dollars. No, you couldn't possibly be so stupid.

So you double down and buy more.

Jews give Poles their sheckels instead when they go there.

WOw. Antisemitism is allive and well on /his)

So how did the german soldier remove the millions of bodies from the gas chambers?

hahaha, why the fuck would they do that?

>Imagine marching as a pepemaga in some far-right rally or telling your parents you support Hitler.

cringe

Not every Jew was gassed.

Many Holocaust victims died in the East to the Einsatzgruppen (Nazi Ethnic Cleansing Death Squads) which executed around 2.5 million civilians, 1.3 million of these were Jews.

A third of Holocaust victims died in death marches or worked to death as slave labour, slightly over a million people, mostly able bodied men.

About 3.5 million were gassed, mostly the women and children. The disposal and cremation of the bodies was done by Sonderkommandos which were special units made up of forced labour, mostly Jews and Russian PoWs.

Because the Germans needed the Sonderkommandos to remain physically able, they were granted much less squalid living conditions than other inmates: they slept in their own barracks and were allowed to keep and use various goods such as food, medicines and cigarettes brought into camp by those who were sent to the gas chambers.

Since the Germans did not want Sonderkommandos' knowledge to reach the outside world, they followed a policy of regularly gassing almost all the Sonderkommando and replacing them with new arrivals at intervals of approximately 3 months and up to a year or more in some cases.

At Auschwitz, the corpses were incinerated in crematoria and the ashes either buried, scattered, or dumped in the river. At Sobibór, Treblinka, Belzec, and Chełmno, the corpses were incinerated on pyres. The efficiency of industrialised killing at Auschwitz-Birkenau led to the construction of three buildings with crematoria designed by specialists from Topf und Söhne. They handled the body disposal around the clock, day and night, and yet the speed of gassing required that some corpses burn in an open air pit also.

>hitler murdered and cremated six gorillion in da Shoah
>proof?
>a fucking chimney

You know creating a strawman is not a very good tactic. You'd have to provide some evidence. Debunking primary documents would be a good start. In fact without it you're pretty much fucked.

You make it sound like reusing bricks is some weird and extraordinary thing.

You got any more?

I have this at hand:
imgur.com/d09KvVO

Memo written by Kurt Prüfer, senior engineer of Topf and Sons, to Heinrich Himmler in September 1942 assuring him they could boost the capacity of the ovens at Auschwitz.

From this memo we know the installed capacity by 1943 across all Auschwitz crematories was of 3472 bodies per day (which adds up to 104,160 bodies per month at 73% effectivity).

Prüfer calls this number "not yet sufficient" in the memo.

I have more stuff but I'd have to look for it.

holocaustresearchproject.org/einsatz/rauff.html

Also here are memos to Rauff regarding the operation of the early experimental "gas vans" in the East. They are pretty chilling and make it openly clear they are talking about gassing people to death.

>doesn't answer the question
Gee, next time just "I don't have a clue".

But I did answer you:

>The disposal and cremation of the bodies was done by Sonderkommandos which were special units made up of forced labour, mostly Jews and Russian PoWs.
If you want to know the actual technicality of it, after the victims were gassed the room was aired, the Sonderkommandos units wearing gasmasks took the bodies outside, removed any valuable gold teeth, and burned their bodies.

>At Auschwitz, the corpses were incinerated in crematoria and the ashes either buried, scattered, or dumped in the river. At Sobibór, Treblinka, Belzec, and Chełmno, the corpses were incinerated on pyres. The efficiency of industrialised killing at Auschwitz-Birkenau led to the construction of three buildings with crematoria designed by specialists from Topf und Söhne. They handled the body disposal around the clock, day and night, and yet the speed of gassing required that some corpses burn in an open air pit also.

Nice to see you BTFOing stormfags once again

So if you don't know something, you just make shit up? You just admitted that Germans willingly created a complete health hazard for their guards and soldiers in and around those camps.

How did they get rid of the gas after the gassing? How did they get rid of the highly dangerous gas residue on the bodies? How long did they wait before opening the gas chambers? If these crematoriums worked day and night how did the Americans take pictures during the 1944s showing no smoke, no pyres and no massing around the crematoriums?

>How did they get rid of the highly dangerous gas residue on the bodies?

By burning them.

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>Not auswitz
>Not an extermination camp
>Being this desperate.

Auschwitz, extermination camp.

>You just admitted that Germans willingly created a complete health hazard for their guards and soldiers in and around those camps.
The Soderkommandos weren't "their" people. They were prisoners, and ones only slightly higher up on the proverbial food chain. Pretty much all of them would be killed in turn.

>If these crematoriums worked day and night how did the Americans take pictures during the 1944s showing no smoke, no pyres and no massing around the crematoriums?
Are you retarded?
bbc.co.uk/staticarchive/9f06619800662cc53464b51193c6ee368bb0298e.jpg

idamclient.ushmm.org/PUBLICIMAGES/IDAM_USHMM/Image.aspx?qfactor=2&width=800&height=800&crop=0&size=1&type=asset&id=28524

>They were prisoners
Prisoners required guards.

>Are you retarded?
Are you?

>be European
>attempt to provide evidence
>go to jail
guess we're pretty much fucked then, not much you can do about forged Soviet reports and (((eyewitness accounts))).

When you forcibly silence a man you don't prove him wrong, you just show the world you fear what he has to say.

What are they burning here?

>Prisoners required guards.
Not him but do you really not know what Sonderkommandos were? Is there no Google where you live?

Who knows? Why do you claim the crematoriums worked "day and night" when there's photographs that show otherwise?

>Prisoners required guards.
At the gates, not at the gas chambers. And if a few of them die from residue of HCN, it's no big loss, you just grab a few more.

>Are you?
Nope.

>Be academic
>Preach against contemporary notions about how the Holocaust worked.
>Upset quite a few people
>Tour Europe, lecturing and investigating sites
>Don't go to jail, or even have anyone suggest anything might happen to you as you "attempt to provide evidence".
Really makes you think, huh?

>"Prisoners don't require guards! Especially when they've been known to revolt!"

>Be academic
>Assert that due to lack of evidence the holocaust didn't happen
>Be removed from academic seat
>Jailed
>fined
I guess this doesn't make you think.

Speaking of Sonderkommando there's another primary source for stormfront to debunk. If they were interested in debunking Holocaust that is.

holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2017/10/contemporary-handwriting-of-auschwitz.html

>forged Soviet reports and (((eyewitness accounts)))

Any evidence to back up this claim? Because this is what I'm talking about. You need to debunk sources that directly contradict neonazi claims. And if you think that tens of thousands (or hundred I don't know) of people are all (((lying))) then we have a conspiracy on our hand. Is there any correspondence to back it up? Because we're talking about lots of people of different nationalities (what? you thought they were all Jews?) for the rest of their lives. Including those who said how they were killing other prisoners or who were hated by the Israeli government until the 1960s.

Also tell me more about Soviet reports. Here is something from legal Polish government opposed to both Germany and USSR.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witold's_Report
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Karski#Reporting_Nazi_atrocities_to_the_Western_Allies

Reading comprehension. It can really help.

I am not saying the Soderkommandos didn't themselves need policing. I'm saying that said guards don't need to go near the gas chambers.

Please, show me some university professors who claimed that the Holocaust didn't happen. Someone with an "academic seat" to be removed from. Because if you're talking about Rudolf (who is the only one who I am aware of who can reasonably fit your vague assertions), he was preparing a PhD thesis when he came out with his papers, and never actually held a position. Also, he was a shitty chemist.

web.archive.org/web/20080604152626/http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/not-the-science/

In any case, there is an enormous difference between being terminated from your college and going to prison, so nice goalpost moving, I guess.

>who knows?
We know. We have photos showing them burning bodies. It's literally the same place.
They didn't work "day and night". There were short breaks. Here is a nice analysis of these photos.

holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2015/02/john-balls-air-photo-evidence-on.html

On unrelated note Holocaust Controversies is a good neutral name for a webstie about it. Now normal people don't care one way or the other but some brainlets only accept redpilled and unbiased sources like ExposingHoloxaust.com.

>I am not saying the Soderkommandos didn't themselves need policing. I'm saying that said guards don't need to go near the gas chambers.
Literally proven wrong by this guy here.
And that account is obviously complete bullshit. "3000 people in one room" and then they're gassed in a couple of minutes. Never mind the weirdly "accurate" numbers(going as high as 600.000), it's been disproven long ago.

>show me some university professors
Robert Faurisson. But are you seriously going to deny that there's laws in western europe that prohibit you from denying the holocaust? Because if you do you're even more retarded than I thought.

>holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2017/10/contemporary-handwriting-of-auschwitz.html
Nothing in the letter contradicts what I said. Seriously, where did you learn to read?

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witold's_Report
>It states that there were three crematoria in Birkenau able to burn 8000 people daily.
>You need to debunk sources that directly contradict neonazi claims.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_law

Is he seriously talking to everyone as if they were one person?

>Nothing in the letter contradicts
>I'm saying that said guards don't need to go near the gas chambers.
After...all naked, they went further into the death chamber, inside the Germans had installed pipes at the ceiling...so they believe they prepare the bath, with whips in their hand the Germans forced them to stand closer that as many as possible fit inside, a true sardine can of people, then they hermetically closed the door.
Literally retarded. I'm done with this. Believe what you want, I really don't care that much.

>He studied French, Latin and Greek literature (Lettres classiques), and passed the agrégation (the highest competitive examination to qualify to be a secondary school teacher) in 1956. He became a high school teacher at Vichy, while working on a PhD thesis about the poet Lautréamont. He obtained his doctorate in 1972. He then became a lecturer, and then professor of French literature at the University of Lyon between 1973 and 1990.
It's a shame he never studied history.

The numbers are irrelevant. We have few accounts describing how the process looked like. They don't contradict each other and they are fully supported by the testimonies of German guards.

Whoops, hit enter too soon.

>Robert Faurisson
Was not jailed, so is clearly not the person is talking about.

>But are you seriously going to deny that there's laws in western europe that prohibit you from denying the holocaust?
No, I'm not. I am, howver, denying that the existence of such laws prevent you from researching or prevent you from presenting your findings, especially if you do it outside of Europe. Somehow, guys like Mattogno stay out of prison and keep publishing. Clearly the suppression of investigation into the holocaust is not all that good. And somehow, the incredibly bad arguments that people like Mattogno and Rudolf use never seem to be the reason why they're rejected, no, it's all about the censorship

>Modern day cremations are conducted in attempts to reduce bodies to ash as quickly as possible
>That's why they cool the ovens off and remove all the ash in between each burning, because that's quick.
>William Eassie was a time traveling (((liar)))

ia902607.us.archive.org/11/items/cremationdead00eassgoog/cremationdead00eassgoog.pdf (page 125 of the PDF)

>After...all naked, they went further into the death chamber, inside the Germans had installed pipes at the ceiling...so they believe they prepare the bath, with whips in their hand the Germans forced them to stand closer that as many as possible fit inside, a true sardine can of people, then they hermetically closed the door.
So where are the Germans (Not the Sonderkommandos) going near the dead bodies of the recently gassed? Oh wait, nothing in there says that. Try again.

>So where are the Germans (Not the Sonderkommandos) going near the dead bodies of the recently gassed?
They're literally going in the gaschambers. When Germans gass their barracks with the same gass they're not allowed in for 2 weeks(!) after because of health dangers. Like I said, retarded.

He was pretty close.

>By July 9, 437,402 Jews had been deported according to Reich plenipotentiary in Hungary Edmund Veesenmayer's official German reports.[67] One hundred and forty-seven trains were sent to Auschwitz, where 90% of the people were exterminated on arrival. Because the crematoria couldn't cope with the number of corpses, special pits were dug near them, where bodies were simply burned. It has been estimated that one third of the murdered victims at Auschwitz were Hungarian
Mind you, the camp had a capacity of some 160.000-200.000 prisoners. Why would they send almost 450.000 Jews there? And what happened with them?

Stop asking questions you fucking faggot

The Holocaust happened, get over it

>"Here I quote the number of people who died in Oświęcim.
When I was leaving Oświęcim, I remembered a serial number 121 thousand and some. There were about 23 thousand of those alive, of such ones who had departed in transports or been released. About 97 thousand numbered prisoners died.
It had nothing to do with the number of people, who had been gassed and burnt in masses, unrecorded. Basing on estimations done by those who worked close to that commando, over 2 million such people died.
I quoted that number cautiously, not to overestimate; the daily quoted numbers should rather be discussed in detail.
Colleagues, who were there and witnessed gassings of eight thousand people a day, quote the number of plus/minus five million people."

Trying to estimate the exact number of dead is nearly impossible so we can only add and subtracting overall number, dead in the reports, missing etc. Like with the Soviet famine we can be right but we can also be wrong by a lot. Most important is the fact of the existence of extermination plans. Here it's more clear. Either there was something like that or wasn't. And there's a number of primary sources confirming that there was.

>5000 bodies a day
>roughly 150 tons of coal, daily
Such a quantity must have been stored somewhere, right? Where is the huge silo? And where are the railway facilities operating the continuous arrival of industrial amount of coal?

>Why would they send almost 450.000 Jews there? And what happened with them?
I would imagine they didn't care much for the living conditions of the prisoners. I'd also imagine they'd start starving pretty soon.

Of course there might be a conspiracy involving many thousand people and entire states. In which case good news because there's no way to keep this in secret. Ask Assange for some documents that confirm it.

>>William Eassie was a time traveling (((liar)))
>the former was completed in twenty-five minutes (47 lbs), the latter in fifty (144 lbs)
Your point? Sure, maybe you can burn a body quicker if you're not trying to turn them to ash, but it still takes a considerable amount of time to get through one body's-worth of material.

But there is absolutely zero chance that crematoriums were pumping through eight-thousand (8000) bodies daily as your report suggests, so consider it debunked.

>roughly 150 tons of coal, daily
Where did you get that number from?

Auschwitz was a labor camp, why would they send so many women and children there?

Then either methodology used to estimate the number of people was flawed or people who count the minutes and ammount of coal needed to burn a body don't take into consideration other factors such as what was the state of the burnt bodies. Because some were being disposed of in other ways. Sonderkommando photos shows them being burnt in piles that must've left something. And people were finding body fragments around camps even to this day.
It's still not something that debunks the concept just technicalities and numbers something that not everyone is too attached to. Definitely not those who study mass killings and know how difficult it is.

spiegel.de/international/germany/spiegel-interview-with-a-91-year-old-former-auschwitz-guard-a-988127.html

Try reaching them if they are alive. Maybe they can answers your questions.

>And people were finding body fragments around camps even to this day.

How Holocaust deniers feel about other extermination programs that didn't involve concentration camps?

But we know why. They were killed in gas chambers.

>what is multiple cremation
They were not waiting until the whole body turns into ash.
>Bone weight depends on how much a person”s entire body weighs. Bones make up around 15% of a person”s total body weight.
Which means they could easily throw in more bodies while the bones remained inside.

Conversion from wood cremations. 250 kg of wood = at minimum 30 gk of coal.

I forgot where but I remember reading that it was agreed that families weren't supposed to be broken up.

I'd take the word of the German manufacturer of the crematoriums in 1943 () over some random google search that talks about modern funerary crematoriums and not the industrial furnaces in Auschwitz

Try again stormtard.

Except they were broken up, able-bodied men were sent to the labor camps and women and children to the extermination camps.

>>what is multiple cremation
>hurr if I throw two bodies in the oven at the same time they burn just as fast as one body
>We have photos showing them burning bodies
Of course they burned bodies, people were dropping dead from Typhus. Where's the proof for deadly gas chambers?

If you can read Polish I guess
wprost.pl/kraj/10075740/Oboz-w-Gross-Rosen-Odkryto-masowe-groby-ofiar-nazizmu.html

But it's not like it's uncommon to find some bone fragments around the camps especially if there are woods nearby. I don't think anyone even hardcore deniers don't think that anyone died in these camps.

second part meant for

Where is the combustible?

(((you know)))