Invade USSR

>invade USSR
>large parts of population in Ukraine and Baltics treat you as liberators and saviors
>fuck it all up because of meme racial theories and treat the population like sub-humans
Literally, all they had to do was promise them some Autonomy and Soviet Union would collapse on it's own.

inb4 someone starts posting RONA and Kaminski as evidence the Germans treated them well

>claim "the whole rotten edifice will come crashing down"
>instead of facilitating the edifice's crashing down, you sperg out on your racial conquest fantasies

WW1, Ober Ost.

Suppression and exploitation had been, rather effectively, the German experience of the East in the past. Hitler followed in the footsteps of Ludendorff here.

As the popular soldiers reaction to the commissar order demonstrates, and as the actions of the police battalions demonstrate, exterminationalist anti-Slavic racism was baked into German culture in the early 1940s.

The state apparatus, while in full agreement with this policy (cf: einsatzgruppen, starvation of hundreds of thousands of POWs, plans to starve every Slav west of the 1941 winter stop line), had they not been they could not have controlled the activities of ordinary men in exterminating Slavs when available to exterminate.

The whole point was to kill Slavs, and you're bemoaning the fact that they conducted their real aim?

Could have proclaimed Ukrainians Ostrogoths or something - you can do a.lot of shit with total control of the media.

Hell, they backpedalled A LOT ideology-wise on the Baltics, went from "the masters are back, Ja Ja!" to "you're of good near Aryan stock, we're all in this together - now pls halp"

You missed the point: nazi ideology didn't create German anti Slavic exterminationalism. It gave it free reign, but the ordinary man wished to murder Slavs.

So no, the nazis cannot prevent genocide in the Soviet Union.

They could promise that all they want but the fact was that they would have to keep collectivization and the requisition of agricultural goods in place, both very unpopular but needed to feed their army due to the shitty supply situation in the USSR and the drop in agricultural production in Germany and occupied Europe occurring during the time.

>ordinary man wished to murder Slavs.

Where do you get this from, exactly? I'd say, removing the ideological filter (which could be done), it would not have been much worse than most occupying soldiers interacting with the locals - some cases of "woe to the vanquished", but overall nothing particularly unusual.

They created a puppet Slovakia - could have done the same in Baltics and Ukraine.

"Ordinary men" and Chris Brownings unit histories of the police battalions who were old men from imperial Germany not brainwashed boys. You know. The basic historiography of massacre and genocide in the east.

They could have "promised" that different areas would become their own countries after Russia was defeated to obtain help in supplies, manpower and intelligence and that would have been really the only way they could have won the war against Russia.

They could have done this even if they were just lying through their teeth about it just as long as they kept the facade long enough. Then again, when you delude yourself to think the war will be over in 4-5 months, why would you care about keeping up an illusion?

But they didn't treat the Balts as sub-humans.

I wonder who could have been responsible for such a policy?

The Balt Hiwis had to dig mass graves and haul carcasses

Nazi Germany could've won the second world war by not acting like nazis. News at eleven.

If everything, RONA and Kaminski are the example of opposite, since these kuks were made into national batallions one of the last.

honestly there's probably alot they could've done.

No

Nice to see your claim overrides unit histories. Gj.

Nice soviet post-war allied germanophobic black atrocity propaganda there, bolsheboo cuck.


It is a myth that the Nazis considered Slavs as untermensch (subhumans) non-Aryans, there is no evidence to suggest this but the actual opposite that Slavs WERE regarded as Aryan. See below:

The Ahnenpaß stated that "wherever they might live in the world" Aryans were "e.g. an Englishman or a Swede, a Frenchman or a Czech, a Pole or an Italian".

According to the Nazi "Ancestral Proof" all the "the non-Jewish members of all European Volk are Aryans".

Source: The Nazi Ancestral Proof: Genealogy, Racial Science, and the Final Solution by Eric Ehrenreich, p.10

From a purely racial standpoint all European peoples belonged to the Aryan family and were thus fundamentally "racially equivalent", and even according to German ethnology it was impossible to speak of a "Slavic race". The justification against the Slavs lay rather in the point of a "depopulation policy" of the East as Slavs and all non-Germans represented a major volkisch threat, as well as the Nazis struggle against Bolshevism.

Source: "Non-Germans" Under the Third Reich: The Nazi Judicial and Administrative by Diemut Majer, p.63

Nice to see your valid sources claiming that Balts dug graves

You're quoting ideology. I'm quoting police battalion, einsatzgruppen and soviet pow care studies. The actual relations of social being trump proclaimations.

Try the Nuremberg evidence from Yugoslavia regarding the differential control of civilians by the Italian and German units.

Enjoy posting more spurious ideology. Or go read Browning.

So, what did Rosenberg mean by writing this?

>The treatment of prisoners of war appears to be founded for a great part on serious misconceptions about the people of the Soviet Union. One finds the opinion that the people become more inferior the further one goes East. If the Poles already were given harsh treatment, one argues, it should therefore be done to a much greater extent to the Ukrainians, White Ruthenians, Russians, and finally the "Asiatics".

> For instance, in various camps, all the "Asiatics" were shot, although the inhabitants of the areas, considered belonging to Asia, of Transcaucasia and Turkestan especially, are among those people in the Soviet Union who are most strongly opposed to Russian subjugation and to Bolshevism. The Reich ministry of the occupied Eastern territories has repeatedly emphasized these abuses. However, in November for instance, a detail [Kommando] appeared in a prisoner of war camp in Nikolajew, which wanted to liquidate all Asiatics.

>For instance, according to information on hand, the native population within the Soviet Union are absolutely willing to put food at the disposal of the prisoners of war. Several understanding camp commanders have successfully chosen this course. However in the majority of the cases, the camp commanders have forbidden the civilian population to put food at the disposal of the prisoners, and they have rather let them starve to death. Even on the march to the camps, the civilian population was not allowed to give the prisoners of war food. In many cases, when prisoners of war could no longer keep up on the march because of hunger and exhaustion, they were shot before the eyes of the horrified civilian population

>After the Reich ministry for occupied Eastern territories was finally successful in overcoming the prejudice against Soviet prisoners of war partially, and when the prisoners of war were to come to Germany to a great extent for work, it was found that of 3.6 million only several hundred thousand were still able to work.

>It was a basic mistake that no difference was made between real prisoners of war and deserters. It is known that German propaganda deposited millions of leaflets beyond the lines, and encouraged the Red soldiers to desert, whereby good treatment and sufficient food was specifically assured to them. These promises were not kept. The deserters were beaten and left to starve the same as so many prisoners of war. A natural consequence of this politically and militarily unwise treatment was not only a paralyzing of the will to desert, but a plain deadly fear to get into German captivity.

> It can be said without exaggeration that the mistakes in the treatment of prisoners of war are to a great extent the cause for the stiffening power of resistance of the Red Army, and therefore also cause for the death of thousands of German soldiers.

Browning. The Einsatgruppen unit history source. Obviously gruppen a.

There was only a single Einsatgruppen of Latvian origin. The Arājs commando, it only had a thousand men or so. So you can't really say the Balts only dug graves for Jews.

I didn't suggest that this exhausted their activities and I was talking about Slavs graves. Largely as antislav sentiment amongst the einsatzgruppen police battalions and Wehrmacht units detached is more interesting as less focused upon. Balts, both popularly and as hiwis, were famous for their own chosen anti Jewish actions. These actions give them a higher profile in German racialism than the bread and butter work of the commissar order.

>They could have done this even if they were just lying through their teeth about it just as long as they kept the facade long enough.
This. You can always exterminate the khokhols later

Well anyway, the bulk of the Latvian and Estonian forces were front line units in Leningrad.

who is bandera?

A guy who was arrested by the Germans after he declared Ukrainian independence.

>So, what did Rosenberg mean by writing this?
That it was not an argument.