Who was right?

Who was right?

Whichever the least people agree with

The ones that didn't murder the Gracchi

Someone gimme a quick synopsis on what happened.

Roman shit's greek to me.

Radical Centrists

Rome controlled too vast an area to be controlled by a slow-responding senate

Caesar was paving the road to the future

how many layers of contrarianism are you on senpai

Yeah but don't forget how shitty the future was.

Optimates were fighting to uphold a libertarian republic. Populares were violent proto-fascist thugs.

Cato is always right

This. The Senate don't deserve to exist after they got murdered

Whoever won. Might makes Right.

>get murdered in your home like gadaffi

Augustus claimed to be an opitimate, but he was a crpyto populares. Because he wanted a kingdom. So populares, after ceasars' and marc antony's death.

Populares. Optimates didn`t made very much needed changes so they lost this whole thing wouldnt happen if senate actually decided to take care of its military personal.

Corrupt senators vs. the Roman people.

Both sides had a lot of problems.

>Politics of SPQR were actually class conflicts

How true/bullshit is this statement pre-Sulla?

pretty true.

>kills Catiline and Grachi/

t. Cato

regardless it would be too hard for rome to command such large swaths of society without some levels of self-determination granted to them. dictatorships would've only justified placing the blame on one regime's shoulders, but over expansive imperialism would've extended any government's powers in the case of the romans.

T. Cicero.

t. Brutus

>Be poor Roman pleb
>No jerbs in Rome
>Can't join military because no land
>Can't farm because SPQR families own most of the land and use slaves
>multiply times male population plebs in same situation stuck in Rome.
>Gracchis get clubbed and an hero for suggesting SPQR give some land back to public

Caesar was just history repeating SPQR being dicks about helping fellow Romans until they got neutered by based Augustus.

Imagine if land reforms had broken up the latifundia estates? Could maybe have saved the Republic.

Gracchi was the last chance really.

Populares for ever !

Corrupt Tyrant vs. Democratic Senate

Was Pompey really even an optimate? It seemed their alliance was one of convenience. Is there any evidence that Pompey wouldn't have taken complete power if he had won? ffs Augustus was supposedly the conservative choice during the second civil war against Antony.

What if they were victorious ?

Not really true because of the Patron/Client system in which poor and rich mutually benefited each-other and the Patrician/Plebian divide in which rich people could be discriminated against for not belonging the to right family.

Rome's divisions were based on personality interest groups and clans.

Defenders of the republic VS. slanderous SJWs

>populist vs autist
Julio-Claudian dynasty was a shit anyway.

Small brain: Augustus
Normal brain: Antony
Galactic brain: Lepidus

Tiberius was literally our guy.

Caesar. Rome needed land reforms or it was facing a complete collapse. The Gracchi brothers attempted to push reform through legally and were killed for it.