What is the Swiss secret, how do they keep getting away with it?

And the heirs to the same families that controlled Rome.

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100% true!

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switzerland was always and will always be an integrated part of europe, they are stinky about independance so they choose the "paying without representation" option

theres no benefit to hold mountainranges in the heartland of europe

>theres no benefit to hold mountainranges in the heartland of europe
free shrooms. flatlandcucks btfo!

4 million people with next to zero air force in 1940, it would have been a piece of cake to invade. And mountains are not that much an advantage, it slows both opponents and are eventually a trap for the defender. Sieges rarely fail.

>theres no benefit to hold mountainranges in the heartland of europe
Save for having most of the transeuropean trade passing trough

The eternal G*rman fears the mountainwarrior

What is soviet-afganistan war.

Ah yes, always a piece of cake to invade prepared mountain positions defended by a well-equipped and highly motivated opponent.

they stereotypical store a ton of wealth for the elite im surprised /pol/ nerds don't make jew jokes about them

>Afghanistan completely occupied for years
>bombed to shit and scorched by the Soviets
>millions dead and even more displaced
>only ends when the USSR nears total collapse
Decisive Afghan victory

>4 million people with next to zero air force in 1940,
Yes, but 800k men under arms with good rifles. Enjoy fighting goatfuckers in the high mountains when you could be invading England instead. Hitler hoped the Swiss population would cave in and do the Anschluss, instead they made it clear they go full Eidgenoss. In the ned it would have been too expensive for too few gains.

>ends when the USSR nears total collapse
The expensive and essentially useless war in Afghanistan was one of the main reasons for the collapse of the Soviet Union. Thats the problem with goatfuckers in mountains, even if you win, you lose.

So what you're saying is that it was worth it to the USSR to invade Afghanistan?

We are, after all, talking about whether an invasion would have been worthwhile.

Did you know, Switzerland has the old republican tradition of a military Dictator at war? While executive power normally is divided amongst 7 equal ministers in case of war a General Commander is elected by parliament and equipped with unique powers during the time of war.

They're Jews.

no, that goes through germany and northern italy, for that exact reason

Swiss is tiny, has lots of roads, a much lower altitude, and it's population is not made of suicidal fanatics. Besides, technically Afghanistan was reckt.

Also Rotterdam/ the Netherlands. Hard to be a trade hub if you're landlocked

In the same sense that technically the Americans won every engagement with the Vietcong and technically Iraq was mission accomplished.

>In the ned it would have been too expensive for too few gains.
I agree with that, it would have been rather pointless. My point is that it would have not been a major problem to beat such a weak opponent.

The US lost Vietnam but it wasn't exactly a victory for the Vietnamese either.

>goes through germany and northern italy
Are you dumb, Germany and Italy don't share a border and all traffic needs go trough the Alps, most relevant alpine passes are in Switzerland.

what is north south route? ever drove to holidays in Italy?

That is just plain wrong, mountains provide incredible advantage in a defensive scenario. German armour and air force would be useless and the infantry would be bogged down for months or years fighting.

Yes. But swiss is civilized, they won't go full vietcong or ackbar, they will quietly surrender to avoid death and destructions.

>My point is that it would have not been a major problem to beat such a weak opponent.
The German planning called for up to 500k men including Italian troops, sounds like a bit of a problem.

>But swiss is civilized
I chuckled and now my beer is all over the keyboard. Good one user!

>air force would be useless
You wat? It's not like the mountains would have prevented them from bombing the shit out of the cities. They wouldn't even need to attack the defensive positions

Actually the Swiss strategic planning was to give up the cities and all civilians and retreat the entire army to to the mountains in heavily fortified and provisioned positions to stage a total war from there. They actually prepared the destruction of all infrastructure and industry in the entire country.

500k men to capture an entire country, it sounds easy to me.

No, it isn't, Denmark and Norway were captured with 120k+ men.
you don't use 500k for a little shit country like that especially not when you need every man at the Ostfront. Price is simply not right.

As previously said you don't even need to attack the defensive positions, it's a siege scenario.

Sure mate, I guess you played enough Europa Universalis to know it better than the Oberkommando der Wehrmacht.

Yes, because you want to have half a million man constantly sieging a worthless mountain range in the middle of Europe for years and by it block most of the north south transport axis. Brilliant plan!

Posed like that, yes, it seems hilarious. But I don't think it would last long, the population has no reason to live hidden in bunkers forever while they could simply surrender, which appears to be inevitable. We're talking about gentlemen farmers there, not indoctrinated soviets ready to live like rats for mother Russia while the country burns to ashes.

>We're talking about gentlemen farmers there, not indoctrinated soviets ready to live like rats for mother Russia while the country burns to ashes.
I think I'll submit your for the all Veeky Forums wrong of the week award.

The social component is very relevant. France surrendered quickly while Vietnam never did, and it's certainly not because military reasons.

Money, democracy and multicultural stability.

>while they could simply surrender,
They like democracy and hate demagoguery. The German swiss are the only greater German ethnic group that told Hitler's anschlussing ass to fuck right off and chose to stay linked to their french and italian swiss bretheren.

You don't get to just stop posting you fucker. You come back here and tell us how much of a know nothing god damn retard you are.

>And mountains are not that much an advantage
tell it to Cadorna

>They actually prepared the destruction of all infrastructure and industry in the entire country.
>prepare to invade
>enemy immediately completely wrecks own country, saving you a lot of work
gg ez

>heavily armed populace

t. Burger

Muricans believe this somehow matters in modern warfare

couldnt they just starve them?
your soldiers would only have to hang around and keep the siege going
how much could they keep going if they had to keep a large civilian population fed enough not to revolt
theyd roll over in a year or two

Cliché.
They were quiet mountain dwellers very confident in their neutrality, not some kind of heroes, and they would have been completely helpless faced with a massive invasion.

The Swiss prepared to abandon their own civilian population, blow up the entire country, retreat with all food and weapons into the deep mountains and defend the mountain passes to the last man. that was their plan.
Sounds like a stupid idea, but when your opponent wants a political anschluss with undamaged industry, infrastructure and population plus get the important alpine passes it kinda makes sense.

If you attack a neutral country with no justification then the whole world turns on you, all neutral countries close to you will attack you. Hitler invented justifications for "defensive" invasions around him. Faking democratic support in Austria and stepping into Czechoslovakia and Poland to "protect" German minorities.

Had he just attacked Switzerland or Sweden he would've disgraced Germany in the eyes of the world for decades. You realise that leaders, autocratic or otherwise, generally want legitimacy in the eyes of the world. Hitler especially, wanted Germany to become a great power and sit at the table with the other superpowers.

>it kinda makes sense
It really doesn't. If said plans were actually real and the high command ready to execute them they should have all been hung.

thats the dumbest shit ive ever heard
if they started to execute civilians theyd face massive riots since memeocracy
the civilians would immediately turns to nazis since at least those wouldnt want to immediately kill you

>and they would have been completely helpless faced with a massive invasion.
Thats what you say, the planning of the Wehrmacht says something different. They hold Europe's most formidable defensive position and have been spending big money on arms industry since 1933. By 1940 the Swiss army was well equipped and trained by all standards. thats why the Germans planned to use 3-5 times the numbers they needed to invade Denmark & Norway together.
In the end this deterrence by high costs for next to no returns worked and Hitler spent hist troops elsewhere.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Redoubt_(Switzerland)
Official defense strategy of Switzerland, 1940-1991.

What executions are you talking about? I said abandon, like leave them behind.
Also blow up all bridges, tunnels, power plants, train stations, industrial plants and about everything else of value.

thats even more retarded
did the thin mountain air choke them or something?

Well, the plan worked flawlessly. they made clear that in case of invasion Germany would gain fuck nothing, only have a whole army group tied up for years losing lots of men and killing germanic brothers. Instead Adolf chose to ignore the little parasite for now and win the world war first.
Game theory at work.

thats still a retarded idea
>you cant fuck me over if i kill myself first

Haha just how Yugoslavia turned out be a weak target that was subjugated without problem.
Yes a war with Switzerland would've been a success for Germany, but it would've been a lot of effort for a small nation surrounded by axis territory.

Well that's even easier than expected then. No fights, just administrate the country and its population at your ease while the Swiss army starves in the mountains. Cool plan guys.

>Haha just how Yugoslavia turned out be a weak target that was subjugated without problem
Well, they only managed 11 days before the capitulation, so there's that

Well history teaches us the idea was brilliant and worked and that you might be the retard for not understanding the concept.

>y-youre retarded
no, whoever thought of the concept was
what if hitler decided to take his chances and march the wermacht around just for shits and giggles?
he was in deep shit anyway, might as well fuck someone over and get an immediate source of potential soldiers in the process at pretty much 0 cost

Yeah and then partisan resistance controlled all the rural areas, more than half the country and bogged down german divisions for the rest of the war

It doesn't work like that, you can't just ignore the Swiss Army in the mountains, you'd need to constantly siege them with tons of manpower and hard fighting. otherwise they just lay waste to the neighborhood. Instead the Axis would need to overcome 8 consecutive prepared defensive lines, heavy entrenched in the mountains.

Doesn't mean they didn't lose

Hitler marched the Wehrmacht around for show several time.
Talking about retard. you really think the Swiss blow up the entire country at once on the first sight of the Germans? They had enough troops at the borders and planned a fighting retreat over 8 lines of fortifications into the high mountains. Blowing up all infrastructure and communications would make very difficult in the mountains.

Phyrric victory? ever heard of it?

>Phyrric victory
Not even close. Yes, the Wehrmacht did get bogged down in Yugoslavia and Greece. But to call it a Pyrrhic victory is reaching quite a bit.

Even the Jews fear the Swiss.

When Stalin is having your 6th army by the balls and you have no men left to get them back you might think differently.

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Actually no, orthodox Jews from all over the world make holidays in Switzerland every summer, thousands of them. The orthodox orthodox usually go to Davos, the unorthodox orthodox go to Klosters, the next village.

>you'd need to constantly siege them with tons of manpower and hard fighting.
No, you just need some planes. That's a major flaw in their plan, they would have had a lot of difficulties to even proceed to retreat behind their 8 lines to the mountain. And I think Germans were perfectly aware of it, it's just that it wasn't worth the effort, Swiss was more useful as entity that it was valuable as target.

psst kid, want to so see a subterran airbase?
youtube.com/watch?v=xcgHgKID2f8

>No, you just need some planes
What would planes do exactly, bomb rocks in the mountains you strategic genius? In the country where Oerlikon is from? I guess Hitler just didn't remember he had the Luftwaffe at the time.

>The orthodox orthodox usually go to Davos

That's the same place the World Economic Forum is held. Somebody alert /pol/ please.

>What would planes do exactly
Crush their defenseless infantry, then yes, bomb the survivors trapped in the mountains in the improbable case where they didn't already surrender. Why do you think the Germans wouldn't use their airforce right away?

Yeah but Yugoslavia gave Nazi Germany access to the Mediterranean and kicked the Brits out of Greek. What strategic value does Switzerland have?

>Why do you think the Germans wouldn't use their airforce right away?

Because early airfocres where almost useless in the mountains and completely inefficient at targeting heavily entrenched infantry. Also, the Swiss had like the world finest AA guns, like the oerlikon is from that place. Sorry, but you have 0 talent as armchair general.

what videogame do you have your wisdom from?

>a hundred AA guns
Noice.

Noice.
20 mm Flab Kan Oe 37, 363 pieces in service
20 mm Flab Kan 38 W+F, 1475 pieces in service

>Invade country
>peasants start shooting at you
Unless we got shields wich deflect bullets and are immune to anyone who doesn`t own 3 Ferraris for every hair on his chest then it will be a problem.

>civilians rioting is a problem

131 in 1940...

#top_kek
there are too many examples to choose from...

*hanged

oh my god shut the fuck up!! this website is retarded!!