Vietnam bait thread

Why did America lose Veeky Forums?

Not enough willpower, it simply wasn't worth the costs to pursue final victory

Because China was providing a nuclear cover for North Vietnam, which meant that they could keep sending down waves of men to die indefinitely.

The only way the US could have ensured the survival of South Vietnam without constant infusions of treasure is if the North gave up or the South shaped up, and neither of these factors was ever under America's control.

>daarmy din loose d'war
>poll'dishins loose d'war

only correct response. prove me wrong

>Lack of Public Support
>Dedicated Enemy that knew the terrain, blended with local population
>Enemy used guerilla tactics on a army trained to fight conventional soviets in Europe
>conscript army in an unpopular war, break down in discipline
>Seen as foreign invaders, and war crimes drove more people to hate them

USA could have one if they decided to say 'fuck it' and nuked fucking hanoi+ everything north of Da Nang. Also they would haved to napalmed/carpet bombed every single rice paddie and trail used in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos. Then maybe the USA and the south would have one it it wouldn't be worth it.

>USA could have one if they decided to say 'fuck it' and nuked fucking hanoi+ everything north of Da Nang.
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>Enemy used guerilla tactics on a army trained to fight conventional soviets in Europe
The USA have succeeded versus local guerilla wars before.

Checkout CIA hijinks in the Philippines.

Vietgook Guerillas sole advantage is that their homebase- North Vietnam- ultimately cannot be touched.

The Vietnam War was kino

China didn't even have more than 10 fucking Nukes at the time.

The real threat China and the USSR had VS. USA in Vietnam was the threat of escalation. The USA feared another version of the Korean War. And the commie bluff worked.

>their homebase- North Vietnam- ultimately cannot be touched
US bombed the shit out of it though. Also there was nothing geopolitical stopping the US from pushing the NV army back to the border

If they invaded North Vietnam, then China would joined no doubt. They don't want US on their border.

Air Campaigns never halted a ground campaign. Ever. Actual occupation of NV was needed. But the fear of escalation held that in check.

you're an idiot. go back to r/history

>knowing anything about what r/history is like

Linebacker and Rolling Thunder put on more bombs than the entirety of WW2 but that doesnt really change much sweaty

America withdrew, thats not exactly a defeat.

>t. butthurt amerifag
go eat burger stinky american

nice spurdo op. go back to le reddit now

Who the fuck stores assembled burgers in their fridge?

fpbp, if America really wanted, they could've gone all out. Twice the napalm, total and utter destruction and killing off of as many North Vietnamese that are willing to fight.

>retreats like a fucking Frenchie
>allies get conquered and Communism spreads, literal opposite of the Truman Doctrine
>lol we still win

>be American
>Defeat a large organized army using guerrilla tactics
>Become a large organized army
>Get defeated by guerrilla tactics

What when wrong.

“You can’t defeat me! I quit!”

The Soviet Union wasn't defeated in Afghanistan, they just withdrew.
The British weren't defeated in America, they just withdrew.
The Spanish weren't defeated in the Netherlands, they just withdrew.
The Selucids weren't defeated by the Maccabees, they just withdrew.

If you withdraw without securing your objective that you went to war over, you are in fact defeated.

It didn't. We came in there to kill commies, and by Godfrey did we kill commies.

Socialist Afghanistan at least managed to survive until the after sissolution of the Soviet Union

This.

A war where you can't put boots on the ground against your enemies land is not winnable.

because Americans are useless in battle
most americans are too fat and dumb to be soldiers
but they have so much money and technology that they scare otther nations into submission

american has never won a single war since ww2

Fpbp, this and unclear objectives made the veitnam war doomed to fail

Panama, kosovo and both gulf wars.

don't reply to nonsensical broken english bait user

t. viet nigger
also we didn't lose, we pulled out

"Pulling out" after losing 58,000 soldiers and 2,200 aircraft to the enemy is a loss.

Brit army wasnt large and the patriotz did not win with guerilla tactics.

americans

>Posting this idiotic falsehood
in a fucking Vietnam thread of all things
Do you even Operation Linebacker?

>Why did America lose Veeky Forums?

Not enough crossdressing 2bh

>Why did America lose

some folks are born

US set out to get rid of communism in Vietnam, fearing that a communist Vietnam would pave the way for the commies to take over the rest of south-east Asia.

The vietnam war wasn't at all a conventional war. Though there was a DMZ and border between North Vietnam and South Vietnam, there were no frontlines. Northern soldiers along with VC insurgents would roam the jungle, rarely dedicating time and manpower to taking fixed positions.

The whole war consisted of skirmishes in South Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos. The US never went in or invaded North Vietnam, only bombing it immensely.

The US didn't have the backing or the resources in Vietnam to take the North. The american public hated the war along with whatever administration it occurred under. Which made it increasingly difficult to advocate sending more troops or resources.

There was never any progress made, as the US and South Vietnamese were just trying to, basically, hold onto their territory.

The North kept sending new soldiers, generations of conscripts, along with VC support. The US and South were beating them, but they were simply being worn down by an enemy with much higher morale and steadfastness.

The US couldn't get the one decisive battle, or make the final, culminating offensive to win the war. They were stuck in some wet and muddy jungle, fighting not a state but an entire people slowly being throttled at them.

So the US pulled out, leaving the faulty Southern army to be broken, and many innocent southerners to die in what was pretty much an ideological genocide. They failed to do what they set out to, they lose.

>The Whole war consisted of skirmishes
Stopped reading right there. I Corps was predominantly pitched battles, while the more Southern Corps saw more guerilla action. The conflict was absolutely not just skirmishes or pitched battles and it varied wildly from Corps to Corps. The only static area was the air war until Nixon let go of the leash that Johnson put on the Air Force. Say what you want about the man, but him allowing the Air Force to do what they had been wanting since before the conflict was escalated was a major turning point against the PLAVN and convinced Hanoi that victory was fully impossible until the U.S. left, thus coming back to the table.

>innocent southerners
>genocide
Kek and those people died by napalm, agent orange and bombs weren't innocents? If America wasn't there in the first place as they had no right to do so then those wouldn't die

the domino effect is somewhat true but overstated
Communism did spread through Laos,Cambodia etc but Thailand was a bastion,the people there suck the king's dick so much and communism was probably impossible
Malaysia also isnt fond of communism since they wiped out most of them in the emergency

Simply untrue.

What, so your logic is that because the US killed and raped innocent people it makes it OK for their enemy to do it too? You are dumb.

The communists killed innocent people before the Americans arrived btw, so according to your logic, they were the "good guys".

>Simply untrue
Tell that to Hue, Da Nang, Phu Bai, Khe Sanh, Quang Tri, etc. I'm sure they'll absolutely agree that no pitched battles ever took place there, let alone regularly. Vietnam was not what fucking Hollywood tells you it was.

American always point out how evil commie is but they're just the same, calling the kettle black. They're too hypocrite to be trusted by anything.

well americans have won every conflict since we kicked the british's ass on our own and we wented to the moon by our own selves. so i think we have to right to eat burgers every once in a while. U S A. these colors dont go running.

get off my site you communist apologist faggot

Or what? helicopter rides?